09-09-2005 16:42									#31
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It never ceases to amaze me how close the over/under is... it was a push last night at 50 with the final being 30 - 20 At least New England covered the spread.

	09-09-2005 16:48									#32
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Bengals for the Superbowl!!!

	09-09-2005 18:28									#33
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I really don't understand the knock on Rookie QBs. Last year, how many rookie QBs started games? 3? Ben Rothlesburger Eli Manning and Craig Krenzel I think. We all know what big Ben did. Manning played for a team that had a horrible everything except RB. He struggled. And Krenzel went 3-2 WHILE PLAYING FOR THE BEARS!!!

quote: Originally Posted by Imran Siddiqui The Bears will be lucky to win 5 games this year. I'd say 4-12 is about right.

quote: Originally Posted by Zopperoni Yea, 4-12 is what I say too, and they'll lose 6-9 in a pathetic game on Sunday.

You two are both officially nuts. Glad to know I'm playing you in Fantasy Football.

How 'bout we make this interesting? If you are right and the Bears win 4 games or less, each of you will get to put a line in my quote until the begining of the 2006 NFL season. If they win 5 or more, I get to do the same to you.

	09-09-2005 18:54									#34
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So you are saying they'll finish 5-11?

I'll say that they could, if things fall right (and have some luck), finish 6-10, but anything above that and you are smoking something.

Last edited by Imran Siddiqui on 09-09-2005 at 19:03

	09-09-2005 19:20									#35
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Detroit is the bottem of the NFC North barrel. 2 wins
Green Bay has the problems listed earlier. 1 win, 1 loss
Minnisota is one of the most overrated teams in the NFL. 1 win, 1 loss

at Was Bears unknown off vs a good def. Was bad off vs great Def. 1 win.
vs Cin Everything in Cin is bad to average. 1 win.
at Cle Almost the worst of the NFL. 1 win.
vs Bal Same as Was except the Ravens D is great. Probable loss. 1 loss.
at NO NO is going to be abysmal this year playing 16 away games. 1 win.
vs SF The absolute bottom in the NFL. 1 win.
vs Car No arguments here. 1 loss.
at TB Another like Was. Possible win, but for argument, loss. 1 loss.
at Pit 1 loss.
vs Atl 1 loss.

Thats my breakdown. Look at their season at tell me they go only 4-12 with a straight face. Its not going to happen. You wanna make the bet or are you backing out of your statement?

	09-09-2005 19:23									#36
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Well the Bears won't be beating the Bengals, so you're wrong on that count...

	09-09-2005 20:54									#37
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The Bears should beat SF. Other than that I wouldn't count on them winning any other games.

The Raiders looked good at times last night, but they'll have to protect the QB more.

NE was **** hot last night. They did a pretty good job against Moss. A lot of balls were thrown to him that were incomplete.

The Rams will destroy SF on Sunday. Jackson will have a huge game. Martz will run more this year starting week 1. Also, Kurtis will have a big year. The Rams have more weapons than they need this year. We'll just have to see about the D. If the D improves this year, watch out.

	09-09-2005 21:20									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious The Bears should beat SF. Other than that I wouldn't count on them winning any other games.

	09-09-2005 23:03									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Donegeal Minnisota is one of the most overrated teams in the NFL.

BURN HIM!

	09-09-2005 23:26									#40
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The Bears are the most underrated team in the NFL. Even by Chicago media!!!

The Chicago Tribune picked Washington to beat them 26-13.

Okay... let's just ignore that Washington only beat the Bears 13-10 last year. And that was a Bears team with 5 starters out on defense... the offensive line decimated, Quinn as the QB and David Terrell at Wide Receiver at the top of the depth chart.

The Bears' leading receiver had 22 yards.

And Washington managed to defeat them only 13-10.

This year, the Bears are healthy on defense, have Mushin Muhammed at WR (a target for Orton), and an above average offensive line to protect Orton.

I'm not guaranteeing a Bears victory, but it will be a close game.

And to say the Bears are going to do anything worse than last year 5-11, well, whoever says that doesn't know jackshit about football. Last year they had tons of injury problems, a tougher schedule, less talent, and a horrible offensive coordinator... yet they went 5-11!!!! and 4 of their losses were by 6 points or less.

Now explain to me how they will do worse than last year... PLEASE... because I simply don't understand any of your guys's reasoning.

	09-09-2005 23:46									#41
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Sava,

Two words: They're Bears.

This aint the 80s.

	09-09-2005 23:49									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Sava, Two words: They're Bears. This aint the 80s.

okay... we've already established you don't know anything about football... now go away.

	10-09-2005 00:04									#43
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You have to be realistic. The Bears looked bad last year even when their defense was fairly healthy. Mushin Muhammed isn't good enough to make a big difference. It's just as likely that they will be even worse this year as it is that they might be a little better.

The Rams sucked in the 90s. I didn't go around every year screaming about how they were going to be good every year. Finally they turned it around, and then I could say something.

	10-09-2005 00:22									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious You have to be realistic. The Bears looked bad last year even when their defense was fairly healthy. Mushin Muhammed isn't good enough to make a big difference. It's just as likely that they will be even worse this year as it is that they might be a little better. The Rams sucked in the 90s. I didn't go around every year screaming about how they were going to be good every year. Finally they turned it around, and then I could say something.

Well, then why can't anyone here address the points I made about the Bears.

I think I'm being very realistic. Optimistic, yes... but it's possible to be optimistic AND realistic.

And it's funny you are telling me to be realistic when you say the Bears are going to be 1-15.

	10-09-2005 00:34									#45
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quote: Detroit is the bottem of the NFC North barrel. 2 wins

Detroit has more talent than the Bears.

quote: Thats my breakdown. Look at their season at tell me they go only 4-12 with a straight face. Its not going to happen. You wanna make the bet or are you backing out of your statement?

I said they could concievably go 6-10. But you'll say they'll go 8-8. Why don't we have it between 4-12 and 8-8 (ie, 6-10)? That's only fair. If 5 is the line, Detroit gets lucky in only one game, you win, but they can be 3 games worse than you said and only 1 game better than I said.

Detroit - 1 wins & 1 loss
Green Bay - 2 losses
Minnesota (if you really think this team is overrated than you really know NOTHING about football) - 2 losses [BIG losses]

at Was Bears - toss up
vs Cin - 1 loss (your knowledge of Cincy is pathetic)
at Cle - toss up
vs Bal - 1 loss
at NO - 1 loss (NO has Brooks and Deuce, who do the Bears have?)
vs SF - 1 win
vs Car - 1 loss
at TB - 1 loss
at Pit 1 loss
vs Atl 1 loss

So totalled, 4-12 with all the toss ups added in. The ways to get to 6-10 could be one lucky win at home against GB and a lucky win against another team on the schedule.

Btw, Sava, Washington is better than it was at the beginning of last year. Their running game was working ok at the end of the year and Ramsey should be more comfortable. Santana Moss seems to fit in more to the 'Skins offense than Coles, and Washington's D is better than yours. It's a toss up because who knows if Ramsey gets any better, but with a Portis running better, he should.

	10-09-2005 00:47									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Well, then why can't anyone here address the points I made about the Bears.

The Bears just aren't going to go 8-8 because of those points. The Bears have a damn good defense, especially LBs, but no one but diehard Bears fans are going to predict any wins besides SF.

quote: And it's funny you are telling me to be realistic when you say the Bears are going to be 1-15.

I'm not predicting 1-15. I'm just saying you can't count wins against any other teams. They will win more than one game, but you really can't say which games.

	10-09-2005 00:47									#47
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I'd be happy to witness this bet...

	10-09-2005 01:00									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious The Bears just aren't going to go 8-8 because of those points. The Bears have a damn good defense, especially LBs, but no one but diehard Bears fans are going to predict any wins besides SF. I'm not predicting 1-15. I'm just saying you can't count wins against any other teams. They will win more than one game, but you really can't say which games.

NICE BACKTRACK

You could say the same for just about the entire NFL, except for maybe a few teams.

hence the cliches... parity... any given sunday... etc...

	10-09-2005 01:03									#49
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I think the bears will win more than 1 game in our division. It could be as many as 3. Detroit does suck and Green Bay is one injury away from really sucking.
Minnesota doesn't suck but that doesn't mean the bears can't beat them. If I remember correctly the Bears beat them last year.

	10-09-2005 01:06									#50
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Bears will be somewhere between 4-12 and 7-9. Any number above 7-9 is delusional.

	10-09-2005 01:07									#51
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Call me delusional. But that's normal for a Chicago fan.
I'll predict 9-7 so people have something to put into their signatures next year if I'm wrong.

	10-09-2005 01:13									#52
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7-8, 8-8 sounds about right...

5-11, 6-10 if there are injuries and things go downhill...

9-7, 10-6 if everyone stays healthy and we get lucky!

but talk of 4-12 and 3-13 is pure stupidity...

	10-09-2005 01:16									#53
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Oh, and the 49ers and Browns are almost certainly worse than the Bears in my book. The Bears have a fairly good chance of being 3rd in the division, because I think at least one of Detroit and Green Bay won't hold it together.

	10-09-2005 02:07									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I said they could concievably go 6-10. But you'll say they'll go 8-8. Why don't we have it between 4-12 and 8-8 (ie, 6-10)? That's only fair. If 5 is the line, Detroit gets lucky in only one game, you win, but they can be 3 games worse than you said and only 1 game better than I said.

Sure. I'll take that.

5 or less wins for the Bears and you get to put a line in my sig.
6 or more and I get to put a line in your sig.

Lines in sigs stay until opening day of the 2006 NFL season.




My only question with this bet is is this line in the sig static or do we get to change the line as we see fit (up to poly rules ) for the duration of the bet? I'd be happy either way (as I'm going to win, I'd prefer to be able to change it).

Edited for clarity.

	10-09-2005 02:29									#55
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quote: Originally posted by rah Call me delusional. But that's normal for a Chicago fan. I'll predict 9-7 so people have something to put into their signatures next year if I'm wrong.

Let's predict the final standings for our teams then...

For the Bengals I'm expecting an improvement on last year with our offence potentially catching fire this year...

10-6

	10-09-2005 02:40									#56
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quote: Sure. I'll take that. 5 or less wins for the Bears and you get to put a line in my sig. 6 or more and I get to put a line in your sig. Lines in sigs stay until opening day of the 2006 NFL season.

Um..

I said they could concievably be 6-10 and your original bet was 4 wins or less for me. So all you offered was one more win... not exactly half now.

6 or less for me
7 or more for you

	10-09-2005 02:44									#57
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I'll have to remember to note this thread so we can check back.

Bengals 10-6, and I thought i was drinking the coolaid

I'll stand by my Bears 9-7 predicition (and hope it's better, chug chug chug)

	10-09-2005 02:47									#58
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Sure. No problem. Deal.

Donegeal goes off to think of the wonderful things he can put in Irmans sig.

He then runs right back.

What about the line being static or changing?

	10-09-2005 02:52									#59
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quote: Originally posted by rah Bengals 10-6, and I thought i was drinking the coolaid I'll stand by my Bears 9-7 predicition (and hope it's better, chug chug chug)

Sounds like we're drinking that coolaid together...

Bring it on!

	10-09-2005 03:54									#60
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Changing the sig line is too much trouble than its worth.