10-09-2005 19:56									#1
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Looks like there is quite a deep political change occuring in Ukraine right now. Yushchenko just sacked his entire government, including the prime minister: superstar of the Orange revolution Yulia Tymoshenko.

From the BBC

quote: Ukraine leader sacks government Ukraine's President Viktor Yushchenko has sacked his government in a move that may mark the end of the coalition that won the Orange Revolution. He said in-fighting between members of the team had affected affairs of state. Correspondents say Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko and the head of the Security and Defence Council, Petro Poroshenko, were at loggerheads from the start. Mr Poroshenko quit earlier on Thursday, following allegations of corruption against him and other Yushchenko aides. Blocs that emerged within the team began playing their own games... digging out compromising material, making photos, blackmail and so forth President Viktor Yushchenko Mr Yushchenko appointed a 57-year-old economist, Yuri Yekhanurov, as prime minister. Deputy Prime Minister Mykola Tomenko also resigned on Thursday, while presidential chief of staff Oleksandr Zinchenko resigned on Saturday. Both said the government was riddled with corruption. 'No trust' The Orange Revolution that brought Mr Yushchenko to power was fuelled partly by popular anger over the corruption of the previous government headed by President Leonid Kuchma. Weeks of mass demonstrations forced a re-run of the elections, which had been widely condemned as rigged. Mr Yushchenko won the final vote and took office in January. A coalition government including ministers from his Our Ukraine party, the Yulia Tymoshenko Bloc and the Socialist Party, was formed the next month. "Separate blocs that emerged within the team began playing their own games behind closed doors, which was rather unpleasant," Mr Yushchenko told journalists. "This involved digging out compromising material, making photos, blackmail and so forth and so on." He added: "Interpersonal conflicts have grown into conflicts between teams and begun affecting state affairs." I have realised that some people steal and others resign Deputy Prime Minister Mykola Tomenko Ukraine faces parliamentary elections in March 2006, and some observers have speculated that the Yulia Tymoshenko Bloc could run against Our Ukraine, instead of continuing their electoral pact. Mr Poroshenko, a member of Our Ukraine, was disappointed when Ms Tymoshenko was appointed prime minister. Mr Poroshenko is a millionaire chocolate tycoon, while Ms Tymoshenko is believed to have made a fortune in the gas distribution sector. Security chief quits Earlier, Mr Tomenko said he did not want to bear responsibility for "those who had created a system of corruption" in Mr Yushchenko's team. If they are capable of working together... my assessment of these people's role remains unchanged Viktor Yushchenko "I have realised that some people steal and others resign," he told a news conference. Mr Poroshenko, who has denied allegations of corruption, said he was stepping down so as not to obstruct an official investigation. After the sacking of the government, Ukraine's state security (SBU) chief Oleksander Turchinov, an ally of Ms Tymoshenko, also tendered his resignation. He was replaced by his deputy, Ihor Dryzhchany. Disillusionment Mr Yushchenko has himself come in for strong criticism in recent weeks for trying to block a journalist's investigation into his son's alleged life of luxury. The disarray within the government, including its failure to agree on a list of dubious privatisations carried out by the last government, has caused some popular disillusionment. This has been aggravated by rising inflation and a falling rate of economic growth. Asked what role he envisaged for Ms Tymoshenko and Mr Poroshenko in future, Mr Yushchenko said he still regarded them as friends and wanted them to "stay in the pro-government team". He added: "If they are capable of working together, if they can prove they can change their behaviour, my assessment of these people's role remains unchanged."

	10-09-2005 20:01									#2
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From the BBC

quote: Ukrainian ex-PM slams dismissal Ukraine's sacked Prime Minister, Yulia Tymoshenko, has bitterly attacked the dismissal of her government. She blamed aides to President Viktor Yushchenko for the "deeply unjust" move on Thursday, saying they had schemed against her. She had roused the crowds during the Orange Revolution which swept Mr Yushchenko into power last December. But on Friday Ms Tymoshenko distanced herself from Mr Yushchenko, who has pledged to root out corruption. "Today we are two different teams," she said. "I think these two teams will go their own way. "I will not go to the elections with those people who have discredited Ukraine so much. I do not mean the president, but his closest circle," she said. 'Different teams' However, she criticised Mr Yushchenko, saying he had "practically ruined our unity, our future, the future of the country," and added: "I think this step is absolutely illogical." Ukraine's acting Prime Minister, Yuri Yekhanurov, has begun trying to form a new government. President Yushchenko said he had sacked the government because it had become consumed by a power struggle. He said he acted to preserve the ideals of the Orange Revolution, after his government had been accused of corruption. Mr Yekhanurov said his priority would be to ensure stability. Some of the old team are expected to be given jobs in the new administration, says the BBC's Helen Fawkes in Kiev. In-fighting The Orange Revolution ousted the regime of former President Leonid Kuchma, widely condemned as corrupt. But the past week saw three senior government officials resign, precipitating Mr Yushchenko's dismissal of the government. One of them, a presidential aide, alleged that corruption was worse now than under the previous authorities. Mr Yushchenko said in-fighting between members of the team had affected affairs of state. Correspondents say Ms Tymoshenko and the head of the Security and Defence Council, Petro Poroshenko, were at loggerheads from the start. In a live interview on Ukrainian television, Ms Tymoshenko rejected claims that she had reneged on earlier commitments. She said her cabinet had done an extraordinary job and left the economy in good shape.

Corruption and power-play among these great democrats? Shocking! Shocking I say!

	10-09-2005 20:05									#3
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Am I the only one who thinks that ally of that guy is superhot? I'll try to find a pic of her to post.

	10-09-2005 20:10									#4
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She's a rival now. And yes she's hot. And she's also a *****. Good riddance

	10-09-2005 20:10									#5
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Timoshenko appears to be a major favourite of online geeks, yes.

	10-09-2005 20:13									#7
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Cue Ted Striker.

	10-09-2005 20:15									#8
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Good. Orange is an atrocious color for any sort of political coalition. Hell, it's just an atrocious color in general.

	10-09-2005 20:15									#9
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Actually, for those who know my stance on the whole Ukraine thing, it might sound surprising, but I support Yushchenko here. He finally had some sense

Prime minister Tymoshenko was an absurd part of the government. She had fundamental disagreements with Yushchenko's own party and with other coalition members. Besides, for all the talks of reform (which delighted the westerners at the time), Tymoshenko's results are terrible. The economic crisis actually worsened under her rule.

The BBC has an interesting profile for the new caretaker Prime Minister. Sure, he has neither the charisma nor the hotness of Tymoshenko. But he might be the technocrat that Ukraine needs to get back on track. At least, there's a chance that he doesn't indulge in byzantine intrigues, and that he focuses on getting the job done.

Besides, he's Russian-born. Maybe it's an actual step to heal the East-west division of the country.

	10-09-2005 20:17									#10
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Is his face still a pock-marked horror?

	10-09-2005 20:18									#11
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She does look like a typical Ukrainian - and yes, I'd hit it.

	10-09-2005 20:18									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Is his face still a pock-marked horror?

Yes, but it seems to be less so.

	10-09-2005 20:23									#13
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It's really sad what the breakup of SSSR did to Ukraine. I think it was one of the worst hit countries.

	10-09-2005 20:25									#14
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Most of the countries fared badly. Ukraine is actually in an ok ( compare to Armenia. compare to Kirgyztan. )

	10-09-2005 20:32									#15
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Armenia had a war. Ukraine was so economically wrecked it is today synonym for exporting women

	10-09-2005 22:12									#16
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My sense is that the corruption has been largely among Tymoshenkos opponents, notably the security minister, and Yushenkos son.

So theres dissent and cabinet crises. That happens in democracies, ya know.

It will be up to the voters in future elections to decide whom to keep in office.

	10-09-2005 22:15									#17
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion It's really sad what the breakup of SSSR did to Ukraine. I think it was one of the worst hit countries.

How much of that was the breakup, and how much A. Decline that had set in UNDER the USSR, lack of reinvestment in old plant, etc and B. The loss of captive markets in central europe - which was occuring whether the USSR per se stayed together or not.

	10-09-2005 23:42									#18
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark So theres dissent and cabinet crises. That happens in democracies, ya know.

Well, the cabinet was made inoperant because too many ministers (included Tymosahenko herself) ran for themselves rather than as a team. This led to bad policies. In particular, the ambitious plan to re-assess the past privatizations has been completely emptied. If you add the fact that those people continued corruption (and even increased it, if we are to believe this disgruntled top aide), it considerably weakens the trust one can have in those in power.

The Orange revolution led to something dysfunctional to begin with. However, with any luck, the creation of a new government based on actual party lines can get the job done, at least until the next parliamentary elections.

However, I started this thread as a reminder that Yushchenko wasn't the wonderboy he was made out to be 8 months ago. In only 8 months, his team suffers from scandals of corruption, cronyism and incompetence. The ambition showed in january (to bring Ukraine in the EU) is completely forgotten already. The relationship with Moscow has grown better.

With this crisis, it seems Yushchenko has achieved the process of bringing Ukraine back to politics as usual. And considering Tymoshenko's behaviour, that's probably for the best.

	10-09-2005 23:51									#19
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she got the biscuits queen whatever of star wars in the wrong place.

	11-09-2005 00:03									#20
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MILF! MILF! MILF! MILF!

	11-09-2005 01:58									#21
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Bereta beat me to the Star Wars line

Yulia Timoshenko Organa anyone?

	11-09-2005 02:22									#22
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Whose Organa does she get? :cue Ted Stryker:

	16-09-2005 11:49									#23
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I guess this thread needs mor pics.

On the picture below:

"Get the f*ck out means that way, my dear Yulia"

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	16-09-2005 13:07									#24
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So, where is Fezzy and other folks who creamed their pants during Orange revolution?
Hellow, are you here? So what you andvanced democratic pro-western liberal candidate did for the Ukraine? Where is Ukranian economic miracle? I can't see it so far. But what I can see is exactly what I predicted - they f*cked things up.
Corruption is way worse now. Your belowed liberals caused series of crises. Gas prices, meat prices, grain prices, etc. skyrocketed. Sure such professional liberal economists such as Timoshenko quickly found the way how to handle this problem and they've established a FIXED prices. Fixed prices is all what communism was about. Great liberal move, my ass. Not to mention they nationalized (actually took property from former "wrong" owners and gave it to "proper" owners) and still nationalize most valuable Ukranian enterprises.
Liberals
People who being in the opposition to them, are thrown away from their jobs. Some of them go directly into jails.
Democrats
Ukrain has a great future if you ask me. Keep up the good work!

This is the GDP growth comparison. 2004 - the government of Yanukovich. 2005- the government of Timoshenko.
Enjoy the success of your belowed pro-western candidate and his team.

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	16-09-2005 13:26									#25
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quote: So, where is Fezzy and other folks who creamed their pants during Orange revolution?

Fezzy doesn't post around any more.

	16-09-2005 13:36									#26
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Elite Spanish Commando Gay Squad?
G.W. Bush team?

Where is he?

	16-09-2005 14:21									#27
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Where is Ted Striker when you need him?

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	16-09-2005 14:56									#28
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Ukraine grew over 10% in 2004.? Are you sure? It's a "tigrish" growth rate not shown by other transitional economies.

	16-09-2005 14:57									#29
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That's the funnest pic of the Belorussian president ever.

	16-09-2005 15:00									#30
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion Ukraine grew over 10% in 2004.? Are you sure? It's a "tigrish" growth rate not shown by other transitional economies.

I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE. The government of Yanukovich was the most successful Ukranian government EVER!

But, no Yushenko is so-western, so-democratic, so-liberal.
You laughted at me back then, now I laugh, 'caus I was right.