15-09-2005 01:26									#1
	Will you use Vista or Switch to Linux? Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

It looks like Vista, with it's heavy handed DRM and 14 different versions, among other things is going to expidite my shift to Linux. Do you feel the same?

	15-09-2005 01:30									#2
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I will gladly use Vista though probably not immediately when it comes out.

I already use linux enough at work and school; I don't exactly want to use it when I come home too.

	15-09-2005 01:33									#3
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Dunno yet for sure. Depends whether theres a proper port of Linux distro for my laptop. Probably will use dual boot anyway. I voted for Vista though.

	15-09-2005 01:47									#4
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14 versions?!?

	15-09-2005 01:48									#5
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does civ4 run on linux?

	15-09-2005 01:56									#6
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if DRM is going to be as bad as I hear, I am going to have to switch to linux.

Oh, wait, I am still running W98.

	15-09-2005 01:56									#7
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I'll use Vista.

I actually want to get some work done and have fun.

	15-09-2005 01:59									#8
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG does civ4 run on linux?

THE question.

	15-09-2005 02:03									#9
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG 14 versions?!?

At the moment the count is 7, should be enough.

I'm going to continue using XP for awhile.

Btw: you don't mention that MS advises 2G of MEM (not just diskspace) to run Vista!

	15-09-2005 02:29									#10
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quote: Btw: you don't mention that MS advises 2G of MEM (not just diskspace) to run Vista!

You're kidding, right?

	15-09-2005 02:34									#11
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okay, so 14 was a bit of an exageration. the current versions are:

Starter Edition
Home Basic Edition
Home Premium Edition
Windows Vista Professional Edition
Small Business Edition
Enterprise Edition
Ultimate Edition

i'll bet computer retailers like dell, hp and gateway are pi$$ed

	15-09-2005 03:09									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij quote: Btw: you don't mention that MS advises 2G of MEM (not just diskspace) to run Vista! You're kidding, right?

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/arti...,1581842,00.asp

quote: Microsoft is expected to recommend that the "average" Longhorn PC feature a dual-core CPU running at 4 to 6GHz; a minimum of 2 gigs of RAM; up to a terabyte of storage; a 1 Gbit, built-in, Ethernet-wired port and an 802.11g wireless link; and a graphics processor that runs three times faster than those on the market today.

I had bolded the memory part but after rereading, I might as well bold the whole thing so I didn't bother.

	15-09-2005 03:15									#13
	Re: Will you use Vista or Switch to Linux? Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Kaak It looks like Vista, with it's heavy handed DRM and 14 different versions, among other things is going to expidite my shift to Linux. Do you feel the same?

Versus Linux with infinite different versions and zero standardizations?

I use Linux on a regular basis, and the answer is -- of course I won't switch to Linux.

	15-09-2005 03:16									#14
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Are you sure this isn't from the Onion?

Maybe Asher can share some light on this

	15-09-2005 03:17									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak okay, so 14 was a bit of an exageration. the current versions are: Starter Edition Home Basic Edition Home Premium Edition Windows Vista Professional Edition Small Business Edition Enterprise Edition Ultimate Edition i'll bet computer retailers like dell, hp and gateway are pi$$ed

Oh yeah, I'm sure they're incredibly pissed.

Not only can they include an uber-cheap windows Starter Edition on the $300-ish PCs, but they can also charge a fortune for the Ultimate Edition on the overpriced XPS gaming boxes.

Where do you think the pressure for the low cost and premium editions of Windows came from.

	15-09-2005 03:18									#16
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quote: Originally posted by alva At the moment the count is 7, should be enough. I'm going to continue using XP for awhile. Btw: you don't mention that MS advises 2G of MEM (not just diskspace) to run Vista!

Vista does not use and will not use 2 GB of memory. They advise that should be the amount of memory you have on your system to run most applications.

Considering that Vista will be out in 2006, I think that is pretty accurate for what PCs should have.

Considering that even today 1GB of DDR400/PC3200 RAM is $64...that's not very outlandish.

	15-09-2005 03:21									#17
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Asher fails to answer DRM concerns, very telling

	15-09-2005 03:23									#18
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2GB of memory now...oh not more upgrading

	15-09-2005 03:25									#19
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Asher fails to answer DRM concerns, very telling

What DRM concerns? I haven't seen any actual concerns aside from FUD and rhetoric.

Feel free to actually ask a legit question.

	15-09-2005 03:26									#20
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Ok

Asher! What DRM features will be included in Longhorn and Intel processors released in the same timeframe (2006ish)?

	15-09-2005 03:26									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison 2GB of memory now...oh not more upgrading

Vista is not intended to be something you would install on your older computer.

It'll probably install and run well on machines built late this year or later, the other machines should probably stick to XP.

That's the kind of message MS is trying to send with the "advisable system specs" -- they'd like to see Vista start on the high end PCs and move on from that point. It should not be retrofitted on old machines.

	15-09-2005 03:27									#22
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Ok Asher! What DRM features will be included in Longhorn and Intel processors released in the same timeframe (2006ish)?

Protected media streams that run in isolation from the rest of the system to prevent tampering.

Everything else is stuff we already have today.

	15-09-2005 03:32									#23
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If Linux didn't suck then I'd be tempted to switch to Linux.

	15-09-2005 03:33									#24
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So its all just to continue the same oldtm buy-new-pc -every-3-years cycle...how pathetic from MS.

	15-09-2005 03:34									#25
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From what I've heard of people having used the Beta, it runs decent (not more] on a Pentium IV 3 Ghz woth 1G of mem and a videocard with a minimum of a 128 MB.

	15-09-2005 03:35									#26
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius So its all just to continue the same oldtm buy-new-pc -every-3-years cycle...how pathetic from MS.

Not just MS but yeah..kind of pathetic.

	15-09-2005 03:35									#27
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Yes perhaps they should make a new OS to run on obsolete hardware prone to failure.

Windows XP will continue to be supported well into Vista's lifetime.

I'm not sure what you clowns want -- if you want an OS that runs on today's hardware, don't you already have one?

Myself, I want one that takes advantage of new technology. And you can't have one that takes advantage of new technology if it runs on 10-year old PCs.

	15-09-2005 03:38									#28
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Ok Asher

Will I be able to play

-mp3s ripped from CDs I bought
-mp3s ripped from burn CDs
-legally downloaded free mp3s
-illegally downloaded free mp3s (I don't have any, I just ask)

Actually what does a "protected media stream" actually mean anyway? What makes it so protected?

	15-09-2005 03:40									#29
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Ok Asher Will I be able to play -mp3s ripped from CDs I bought -mp3s ripped from burn CDs -legally downloaded free mp3s -illegally downloaded free mp3s (I don't have any, I just ask)

Yes, it can and does let you rip CDs into MP3s.
Yes, it can and does let you rip from burned CDs into MP3s.
Yes, it can and does let you legally download free MP3s (it doesn't differenciate)
Yes, it can and does let you legally download free MP3s. Actually, it may go a step farther...Vista comes with a Peer to Peer subsystem built into the OS, so it's theoretically easier to set up piracy networks.

Beta1 is easily obtainable on the internet, you know...

quote: Actually what does a "protected media stream" actually mean anyway? What makes it so protected?

The DRM in the music file -- songs bought from Napster, songs bought from iTunes, movies bought online, etc.

	15-09-2005 03:41									#30
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how come older hardware is always referred as "obsolete" or obsolete and prone to failure"

Is it just not possible to make a better OS than Win XP to run on my P-M 2.17 Ghz 1536 MB. Is every software engineer in MS as ****ed up as Asher to refer their to-be customers as "clowns"

Am I ****ing supposed to take up 3000 eur loan every 3 years to buy a new laptop just to ****ing run the newest shitty Windows. Thats just pathetic and insulting..