16-09-2005 08:23									#1
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here. Does anyone know how to use the CivConverter utility to convert FW/MGE scenarios to Test of Time? I'm interested in converting some of the best scenarios to ToT and giving them a graphical upgrade.

	16-09-2005 08:28									#2
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I can give you a run down of the commands tomorrow Tech. There a bit hard to follow at first, but they make some sense once you try it out a bit.

Ask Steph too, I'm sure he's tried it a bit. Same with Curt.

	16-09-2005 10:10									#3
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Thanks. I used to know how, when I had Win98. Now with XP, I have no idea.

	16-09-2005 11:30									#4
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There's a comprehensive guide at Catfish's site:

http://users.tpg.com.au/jpwbeest/jp_conversion.htm

Which scenarios are you thinking of?

	16-09-2005 13:03									#5
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I have a long list (not complete):

Harlan Thompson: Mongols, Vikings, LOTR

Morton Blajberg: Armada

Captain Nemo: Red Front

Jesus Munoz : First World War, 30 Years War

Gothmog: Justinian the Great, French and Indian War, Brownman's Burden, Pitt's War

Jesus Balsinde: Celt's and Iberians

John Ellis: Colonies IV, Bonaparte

Mathais Koster: Daroae

Hanti: Four Sea Republics

Stephan Hartel: Quest for Asia

Pablostuka: Spanish Civil War

Mike Daumen: The Great Game

Bernd Brosing: Cross-Crescent, Imperium Romanum

Paul Cullivan: AE 1200BC (AE 3500BC is already converted)

Techumseh: Prince of Darkness

	16-09-2005 14:57									#6
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Don't forget 2194 Days of War also!

	16-09-2005 15:06									#7
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Conversion is rather easy.

The method I use in XP....

*Put the CivConvertor program into a folder in your CIV directory.
*Call it whatever you want, I call mine Convert for simplicity.
*Select the scenario you want to convert to ToT.
*Make a Copy of the scenario folder into your 'Convert' folder.
*We'll call the CIV scenario 'RedFront', just for the hell of it.
*Take note of the actual .SCN file's name, you'll need this.
*Use the 'Run' command on your Windows start bar.
*With the run box up, enter this command.

c:\CIV2\converter\civconverter c:\CIV2\converter\RedFront\RF.scn

*Change the above file names and folders to suit the names you are using.

Voila!
You should have a nice ToT-ready conversion ofm your MGE/FW scenario!
Now get those giant events, BMP graphics and funky sounds made!



PS
What I do with my ToT scens is to make a work folder where I prepare developments.
I recommend copying the text files from the ToT original folder into a similar directory
and editing them with the chosen Scenrio values and info from your MGE/FW version. Only do
this if you want to add extra units and take advantage of the other ToT special features.

Hope this helps!

	16-09-2005 16:57									#8
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How about Red Front (Hint hint! )

	16-09-2005 20:45									#9
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling Conversion is rather easy. The method I use in XP.... *Put the CivConvertor program into a folder in your CIV directory. *Call it whatever you want, I call mine Convert for simplicity. *Select the scenario you want to convert to ToT. *Make a Copy of the scenario folder into your 'Convert' folder. *We'll call the CIV scenario 'RedFront', just for the hell of it. *Take note of the actual .SCN file's name, you'll need this. *Use the 'Run' command on your Windows start bar. *With the run box up, enter this command. c:\CIV2\converter\civconverter c:\CIV2\converter\RedFront\RF.scn *Change the above file names and folders to suit the names you are using. Voila! You should have a nice ToT-ready conversion ofm your MGE/FW scenario! Now get those giant events, BMP graphics and funky sounds made! PS What I do with my ToT scens is to make a work folder where I prepare developments. I recommend copying the text files from the ToT original folder into a similar directory and editing them with the chosen Scenrio values and info from your MGE/FW version. Only do this if you want to add extra units and take advantage of the other ToT special features. Hope this helps!

Thanks, Curt. You also have to convert the graphics files, as I recall?

	16-09-2005 21:28									#10
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Does anyone know if the CC will convert the extra rules and events files (eg. Rules2, winter terrain, etc) in scns such as Red Front?

	16-09-2005 21:49									#11
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Our taste in scenarios is pretty similar, good choices

At one time or other I've made alternative gfx files for most of those. I have units for Imperium Romanum, Justinian, of Celts and Iberians, Brown man's burden, Bonaparte, Quest for Asia and Kull's AE pair on my hard drive ATM if you're interested. Oh and a fully converted and tarted up Red Front of course

The rest would need converting to ToT.

	16-09-2005 21:52									#12
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Does anyone know if the CC will convert the extra rules and events files (eg. Rules2, winter terrain, etc) in scns such as Red Front?

From Catfish's guide:

'If a scenario uses a batch file to implement multiple game files, you will be required to run CivConverter multiple times, each time temporarily changing the file names, eg, units2.bmp would need to be renamed units.bmp so that it can be recognised by CivConverter.'

I have his conversion of Red Front on my HD.

	16-09-2005 22:15									#13
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quote: Originally posted by fairline I have his conversion of Red Front on my HD.

Please share it with the rest of us! Preferably with that nice graphical upgrade you have of it.

	17-09-2005 04:07									#14
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quote: Originally posted by fairline From Catfish's guide: 'If a scenario uses a batch file to implement multiple game files, you will be required to run CivConverter multiple times, each time temporarily changing the file names, eg, units2.bmp would need to be renamed units.bmp so that it can be recognised by CivConverter.'

I figured it was something like that.

quote: I have his conversion of Red Front on my HD.

Can you email me the RF conversion in bits and pieces? I'll try to get it up on my site ASAP.

I'll try to convert some of the other scns you've done graphical upgrades for as well, if you don't mind sending the files as well. Thanks.

	17-09-2005 09:27									#15
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I have done quite a bit of converting, and I would be glad to help. One reminder though, Civconverter cannot convert scenarios that use major objective cities. I have already tried to convert some of the above scenarios (Daroae for example) and ToT wouldn't open the resulting scenario. I have already done some converting, and I believe I still have The Spanish Civil War and the Thirty Year's War for ToT somewhere.

To converter multiple file scenarios, you will indeed have to convert each graphics file individually, but I am sure that ToT can directly read any Civ2 events or rules file.

	17-09-2005 11:43									#16
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Well, it sounds as if this will be easier than I thought. If Alex W can convert the scenarios for which Fairline has created alternate graphics, and both can find some way to send them to me, I can upload them to Tecumseh's Village. (my site)

Fairline, do your upgrades also include things other than units? eg: terrain, cities, icons?

	17-09-2005 14:50									#17
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Maybe we can open a TOT section at the Scenario League as well?

	17-09-2005 21:42									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Alex Woehr I have done quite a bit of converting, and I would be glad to help. One reminder though, Civconverter cannot convert scenarios that use major objective cities. I have already tried to convert some of the above scenarios (Daroae for example) and ToT wouldn't open the resulting scenario.

Can you not just tinker with the objectives pre-conversion, remove all city majors, then put them all back once you've converted it?

	17-09-2005 22:15									#19
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I suppose you could, but I'm not sure that I have a functional copy of Civ2FW anymore. I haven't tried it in a while...

By the way, Michael Daumen has come out with his own ToT update of The Great Game, and I think Catfish has already converted Imperium Romanum; it should still be floating around the forum somewhere.

EDIT: Downloading now...

Last edited by Alex Woehr on 17-09-2005 at 23:21

	17-09-2005 23:43									#20
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Alex, can you link to Catfish's conversion of ImpRom please?

Tech: If we're going to do this properly I'll need to adjust the unit gfx once converted to ToT format. I'm finishing up units for EA2 at the moment, so it'll be a few weeks until I can spend some time doing this. I guess you're busy finishing Warlords at the moment anyway?

	18-09-2005 02:41									#21
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Well I'd love to help out in any way that I can in updating any of the above mentioned classics. Sadly though my skills center mostly around graphic making and such, nothing really in the way of writing new events and rule making (though I am getting practice with the pre-production of Verne). Still, my skills being what they are are at the disposal of the forum.

I'm also glad to see some recent interest in completing the unfinished Nemo epic "Battle of Britain". Now thats a project I'd love to help out with.

	18-09-2005 02:46									#22
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Here are the links:

ToT Imperium Romanum

The Great Game (at Cradle of Civilization)
The Great Game is at the bottom of the page.

EDIT:
Progress Report: All conversions complete. Now testing to see how many actually work...

Last edited by Alex Woehr on 18-09-2005 at 10:26

	18-09-2005 13:17									#23
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Alex, if you can convert Kull's AE 3500 and send it to me, I can add Fairline's units and upload it, pending Kull's aproval.

	18-09-2005 13:36									#24
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Kull already did it himself it seems - a ToT version is on the Cradle site:

http://coc.apolyton.net/scenarios/index-historic.shtml

I'll modify the units file to suit

	18-09-2005 13:44									#25
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Sorry, I meant the AE 1200.

	19-09-2005 05:01									#26
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I would definatly love to help out with units and or city styles for Great Game, I always thought that was one of the best historical scenario's of its time.

	19-09-2005 11:03									#27
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Ok, I am ready to distrubute the first batch of ToT conversions from Tech's list. These are straight conversions and should work fine with ToT v1.1 with the exception of some very minor problems. The rest from Tech's list need work before they can be presentable.

The End of the Bronze Age, by Kull

The First World War, by Jesus Munoz

The Prince of Darkness, by Techumseh

The Quest for Asia, by Stefan Hartel

The Cross and the Crescent, by Bernard Brosing

	19-09-2005 13:42									#28
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@ Alex Woehr. I already have both of Kull's ancient empire scns and Prince of Darkness converted, so you don't have to send those. Could you email the rest (1 per day, please) to me? I'll PM you with my email.

@ Sarsstock. It's already converted, so why don't you get started on some units?

	19-09-2005 21:56									#29
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Alex, if you can convert Kull's AE 3500 and send it to me, I can add Fairline's units and upload it, pending Kull's aproval.

I'd like to check the units first before anything is posted

	19-09-2005 22:12									#30
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I am not sure whether anyone else is getting this, but for some reason, when I try to convert certain scenarios (in this case Colonies 4, 4 Seas Republic, and Spanish Civil War), Civconverter crashes in the middle of the conversion. It has nothing to do with the Major objective bug, since they are all MGE scenarios. In fact, this only happens with certain MGE scenarios, and I have in the past successfully converted the Spanish Civil War. Any ideas?