19-09-2005 16:55									#1
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Damn, this is unexpected...

quote: BEIJING, China (CNN) -- Nearly three years after ordering U.N. nuclear inspectors out of the country, North Korea Monday agreed to give up its entire nuclear program, including weapons, a joint statement from six-party nuclear arms talks in Beijing said. "This is the most important result since the six-party talks started more than two years ago," said Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Wu Dawei, Beijing's envoy, in a report from The Associated Press. In exchange, the United States, China, Japan, Russia and South Korea have "stated their willingness" to provide energy assistance to North Korea, as well as promote economic cooperation. "The Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) is committed to abandoning all nuclear weapons and existing nuclear programs and returning at an early date to the treaty on the nonproliferation of nuclear weapons (NPT) and to IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) safeguards," the statement said.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiap...alks/index.html

This is, of course, excellent news. Hopefully the North Koreans will truly abandon their nuclear program this time around. I guess only time will tell whether this problem has truly been solved, but there's definitely reason to be hopeful now.

	19-09-2005 17:01									#2
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Oh good. Another agreement for them to break.

	19-09-2005 17:17									#3
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Good news for now. I hope this becomes reality.

	19-09-2005 17:17									#4
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quote: Oh good. Another agreement for them to break.

They should be more likely to abide by this agreement if the Chinese are holding their feet to the fire; that's the wisdom of involving all the players in the region in muliparty talks. I am concerned about how interested China really is in holding North Korea to task, however. China would lose a valuable source of leverage in dealings with America if North Korea were ever to completely move away from a nuclear weapons program. The mere threat of North Korea restarting a program might be enough to maintain this advantage for China, though, so such considerations probably won't weaken attempts to disarm NK in the short term.

	19-09-2005 17:17									#5
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So what did the US offer in return?

Edit: I mean in detail

	19-09-2005 17:35									#6
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For China it's a great deal. Any energy they get from the US means it's not coming from China. "Here, Mister, have good deal for you." :

	19-09-2005 17:41									#7
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Errr, we ARE all aware of the NK tactic of saying one thing and then going right ahead with the complete opposite. Or making a committment, and then pulling out at the last moment. Or making a tenuous, fictional committment, loudly deny that you're not honouring it for YEARS, then suddenly admit that 'of course' you dishonoured it.....etc etc etc

they play us so well.

	19-09-2005 17:49									#8
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Unless we have somesort of verifiable way of forcing them to truely abandon the nuke program rather than just hide it like they did last time, this deal is nothing more than toilet paper.

	19-09-2005 18:10									#9
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quote: Unless we have somesort of verifiable way of forcing them to truely abandon the nuke program rather than just hide it like they did last time

What do you have in mind?

	19-09-2005 18:16									#10
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1. This is a good development, thought only a first step. The question is what kind of non-aggression statement the NK might demand of the US for the deal, as well as the particulars of the economic aide.

2. China does not benefit from an aggressive NK in any way, so the Chinese have every reason to try to get this to work out. Both China and SK thought have stability as their number one aim, NOT a non-nuclear NK since a nuclear NK is not the same threat to either of them that it is to Japan and the US.

	19-09-2005 18:18									#11
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Let Japan, China, and South Korea deal with the problem. I am sick and tired of US taxpayers footing the bill when it is in their direct interest to do this. China has a negative interest in a Pacific Rim nuke race. If they thought that was a possibility, I strongly suspect they would intervene. Now they get to play both sides, and end up looking like the good guys to much of the world - look, mommy, they're brokering a deal what good guys they must be. What fools these American administrations be. MAD worked with Stalin and Khruschev, it will work with NK too.

	19-09-2005 18:27									#12
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DETAILS OF DEAL
N Korea to abandon all nuclear weapons and programmes
N Korea to return to nuclear treaty and UN monitoring
US states it has no intention of attacking N Korea
N Korea says it has right to "peaceful uses of nuclear energy"
N Korea's demand for light water reactor to be discussed at "appropriate time"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/as...fic/4259128.stm

	19-09-2005 18:28									#13
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quote: Originally posted by shawnmmcc Let Japan, China, and South Korea deal with the problem. I am sick and tired of US taxpayers footing the bill when it is in their direct interest to do this.

Yeah, life isn't easy as a superpower ....

	19-09-2005 18:35									#14
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Except I for one do not wish the US to be a Superpower, and the majority of Americans are to f*cking cheap to want to pay the bills that come with the status, instead dumping them on future generations - like my little girl. Imbeciles. We'll end up like Great Britian in the 1950's and 1960's.

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quote: Originally posted by Zulu Elephant N Korea to return to nuclear treaty and UN monitoring

We had that to begin with. What makes that different now?

	19-09-2005 18:36									#16
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Groovy baby!

	19-09-2005 18:37									#17
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quote: We'll end up like Great Britian in the 1950's and 1960's.

If you're lucky.

	19-09-2005 18:45									#18
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I really would prefer that to the Soviet Union or Argentina.

	19-09-2005 18:56									#19
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Tomorrow: the Great Leader learns to fly like superman while discovering a cure for all known diseases, when flying above the sacred land he sees how threatened it is by foreigners. Nuclear weapons program restarted!!

In other words, you never know with a nutjob.

	19-09-2005 19:49									#20
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Why doesn't the US simply declare that there are no weapons of mass destruction in North Korea, and make the problem go away.

	19-09-2005 20:52									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Footie Mad In other words, you never know with a nutjob.

Dear Leader is not a nutjob. He maybe egotistical or even megalomanical, but he is far from crazy.

You are in trouble if you think he's batty.

	19-09-2005 20:57									#22
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I suspect the world is being played again.

	19-09-2005 20:59									#23
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Technicaly, UR, meglomania is crazy.

	19-09-2005 22:07									#24
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quote: Originally posted by shawnmmcc Except I for one do not wish the US to be a Superpower, and the majority of Americans are to f*cking cheap to want to pay the bills that come with the status, instead dumping them on future generations - like my little girl. Imbeciles. We'll end up like Great Britian in the 1950's and 1960's.

At least someone has a sense of proportion around here.

A nation's future has to be invested in, not squandered.

PS
Good to see NK at least pretending to be sane...

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GL is just ronrey, and is playing nice so he can have some friends.

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quote: Originally posted by rah I suspect the world is being played again.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, particularly because of the question of what did N. Korea get out of the deal?

	20-09-2005 00:39									#27
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Even if the world is "getting played again", the last time the "world got played" it meant 8 years of several piunds of plutonium being out of use.

Unless anyone sensible here is eagerly looking forward to war, its nice to get a long time out.

	20-09-2005 01:47									#28
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Who made the deal? Can't find if it was a joint-agreement between China-Japan-S.Korea-and the US or if it was only China (or the US).



Don't they already have nuclear weapons? So does this deal mean they have to give the nukes to us?

	20-09-2005 02:32									#29
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Its a Statement of Principles which all 6 parties signed onto. The question of how North Korea's nuclear program is dismantled will be negotiated in future rounds of talks. This agreement is only a first step but significant progress.

The fine print says I get to keep one nuke for my personal use and if I'm not completely satisfied I can return the agreement within 7 days for a complete refund of my plutonium no questions asked.

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	20-09-2005 02:52									#30
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I think I've seen through the Chinese on this one. All they really want is to have a monopoly on Commie nukes.

As for Kim, he's probably in need of renewing his stack of X-rated movies, and decided to play along for a while. I propose that any deal should involve the shipment to him of 'personal material' so scorching hot he'll masturbate himself to death by the end of this month.