20-09-2005 18:39									#1
	Opera now free Support Apolyton

http://www.opera.com/free/

quote: Why we're going free Opera has removed the banners, found within our browser, and the licensing fee. Opera's growth, due to tremendous worldwide customer support, has made today's milestone an achievable goal.

With the major reason not to use it gone, there really is no excuse for people to not try it now.

	20-09-2005 18:54									#2
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My favorite browser now free? hurray!

I still havent gotten the hang of this firefox thing and i've been using it for like 2 months now. I'll be happy to switch back.

	20-09-2005 18:58									#3
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So whats it got over Firefox?

	20-09-2005 19:00									#4
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Well I'm so glad I signed up for the free registration on their anniversary. Bastards.

	20-09-2005 19:00									#5
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darn, i thought this was about music.

	20-09-2005 19:07									#6
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark darn, i thought this was about music.

So did I, but I clicked on it anyway!

	20-09-2005 19:09									#7
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I will admit that it's a big step forward. But I still wouldn't use Opera over Firefox even if they paid me its former price.

	20-09-2005 19:20									#8
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Cool. Now let us take a look at the source code.

	20-09-2005 20:04									#9
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Why did they do this?

	20-09-2005 20:38									#10
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Because having to pay for a web browser is a stupid idea?

	20-09-2005 20:46									#11
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Wrong. Next.

	20-09-2005 21:29									#12
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Yay! Did they make it not suck too?

	20-09-2005 22:12									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi Yay! Did they make it not suck too?

They did that a loooooooooooooong time ago already.

Opera

	20-09-2005 22:39									#14
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quote: there really is no excuse for people to not try it now.

Yes there is. It's called Firefox.

	20-09-2005 23:06									#15
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I'd say Opera was perfect if it had better ad blocker and flash blocker.

	20-09-2005 23:30									#16
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion I'd say Opera was perfect if it had better ad blocker and flash blocker.

http://nontroppo.org/wiki/BlockAdvertisements

I use the filter.ini method. It's not as easy as Firefox's ad blocker extension but it works.

I agree with you on the flash blocker but it's not enough to make me change to Firefox. All in all IMO Opera is the best browser around.

	21-09-2005 02:03									#17
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You can thank Firefox now for not only resurrecting IE, but for scaring the **** out of Opera and forcing them to make their product free.

If only it was comparable.

	21-09-2005 02:08									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Asher If only it was comparable.

You are right. It isn't. Maybe, just maybe Firefox will someday come out with a version that is as good as Opera...

	21-09-2005 02:15									#19
	Got spare money?

Whenever Opera has the same functionality I use regularly with extensions I'll give it another look.

	21-09-2005 02:19									#20
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Ah, browsing through hundreds of extensions... Yeah, I loved that.

Any useful functionality that extensions give me that Opera is lacking?

Maybe when FF's pagezoom is as good as Opera's I will try it

	21-09-2005 02:26									#21
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

I can honestly say my eyes are good enough to never use pagezoom...

And you don't need to browse through hundreds, if you're lazy just look at the popular or highest rated ones https://addons.mozilla.org/extensio...ategory=Popular

As for functionality Opera is lacking (in any reasonable way): CustomizeGoogle extension (add links to other search engines, remove ads, enable Google Suggest, etc), Forecast Fox (weather info/forecast in the toolbar), InfoRSS (scrolling RSS news feeds/"ticker" news), adblock (easily block ads), StumbleUpon (lets you "channel surf" to find cool webpages when bored), Flashblock (click-to-view Flash), Google Preview (shows "thumbnails" of websites next to google search results), Greasemonkey (very powerful extension to modify webpages before they're displayed -- CustimizeGoogle and others use this, but you can make your own scripts), etc.

	21-09-2005 02:28									#22
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by Asher Forecast Fox.

I forecast some news with a heavy Republican slant, and then some commentary in a similar vein.....

	21-09-2005 02:28									#23
	Tired of ads?

Oh crap... looks like I am barely using 2% of what Firefox can do

	21-09-2005 02:47									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I can honestly say my eyes are good enough to never use pagezoom...

Oh? Lucky you, but you're not the only one browsing the web.

quote: Originally posted by Asher And you don't need to browse through hundreds, if you're lazy just look at the popular or highest rated ones https://addons.mozilla.org/extensio...ategory=Popular

Hehe, sure... Where I come from, "most popular" is almost identical with "most useless"

quote: Originally posted by Asher As for functionality Opera is lacking (in any reasonable way): CustomizeGoogle extension (add links to other search engines, remove ads, enable Google Suggest, etc), Forecast Fox (weather info/forecast in the toolbar), InfoRSS (scrolling RSS news feeds/"ticker" news), adblock (easily block ads), StumbleUpon (lets you "channel surf" to find cool webpages when bored), Flashblock (click-to-view Flash), Google Preview (shows "thumbnails" of websites next to google search results), Greasemonkey (very powerful extension to modify webpages before they're displayed -- CustimizeGoogle and others use this, but you can make your own scripts), etc.

Search engines: nothing new...
Removing ads: http://nontroppo.org/wiki/BlockAdvertisements
Google Suggest: what's the use for that?
Weather Forecast: I have a radio for that...
Scrolling RSS: Like those distracting things on tv? No thanks.
Adblock: see link above...
Stumble upon: I must be getting old
Flashblock: Okay, this one is for you
Google preview: Talking about something useless...
Greasemonkey: Sure, like most people want to make their own scripts. But: http://nontroppo.org/wiki/UserJS

So besides Flashblock I don't see what FF has to offer that Opera already doesn't have...

	21-09-2005 02:53									#25
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Opera's ad blocking requires you ****ing edit files by hand. That's a joke...

And last I checked Opera's file-editing method still doesn't block Google AdWords unless they're in an iframe...

And the whole list is just an example of why Opera isn't the best, because it doesn't offer things people clearly want. The fact that extensions are out there means you can add what you want, and what you want alone...and that's why it's the superior architecture.

Individual cases of the ones that I can't live without I've illustrate that users like tailoring the web browsers to their needs.

It's something Opera may clone a few years down the line.

	21-09-2005 03:38									#26
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ForcastFox

Firefox

	21-09-2005 05:37									#27
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Firefox has some neat extensions - the web developer one is a godsend and I use it whenever I have to debug any HTML - but as far as regular browsing goes, I prefer Opera far more than Firefox. It's faster and does exactly what I want it to without having to manage a bunch of extensions.

	21-09-2005 07:03									#28
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark darn, i thought this was about music.

Then it wouldn't be news, as free opera has been available for ages.

	21-09-2005 07:06									#29
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quote: Originally posted by ixnay It's faster

I'll disagree with that sentiment. IMO, Firefox smokes Opera.

	21-09-2005 07:07									#30
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On the benchmarks I've seen, one wins in some cases and the other wins in others.