21-09-2005 20:27									#31
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy civ3 automated workers do a very good job. I always give my workers orders for the first 100 something turns, then I turn them on automate. It comes with an option to not alter current improvements. You can also say "build road to" or "irrigate towards" commands. There's really no reason to manually keep moving your workers in civ3 unless you want them to improve the land in an ineffective way.

I guess it wouldn't hurt to get my feet wet, and finally come around to trying automation of workers after I buy Civ IV.

	21-09-2005 20:46									#32
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG one != some

we have all information about the release != we have some information about the release.

quote: Locotus: In this case it could even be seen as an advantage: we get (hopefully) a good, functional game sooner, with a few nice extra features coming later.

That's what I thought!

	21-09-2005 20:53									#33
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quote: I dont see much difference between civics and government type

you get to have much more options and combinations. remember the smac model...

	21-09-2005 20:58									#34
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quote: originally posted by GameSpot Writer There are lots of resources out there, so let the computer handle them.

blasphemy!

	21-09-2005 21:07									#35
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Looks like Gamespots are again not doing things right. They obviously played on one of the lowest difficulties - they have Gunships vs. Knights! That would only be possible at a very low difficulty or if the AI is as poor as in Civ2, which I would never believe. Plus, 200 GPT at 80% science rate?? Look at that money... cheaters .

The best feautures, according to the reviewer, ar that you can automate Workers and unit exploration (!!) and he claims the tile improvements in previous games were road, farm and mine. Uhh, has he ever played Civ3? Or Civ2 or SMAC or CtP for that matter?

"You may get lucky and have an explorer come across a goody hut that gives you an extra settler, but in most cases, you'll need to build a settler at your city and send it out, along with a military escort if you want it to survive an encounter with a wild animal or a barbarian unit." - uhh, goody huts can give Settlers ? I don't believe that. Either the reviewer is again imagining things, or Firaxis made a huge mistake.

Oh the horror...

	21-09-2005 21:11									#36
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Goody huts giving settlers was a great thing in Civ2, why not in Civ4?

	21-09-2005 21:15									#37
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...and Civ3, why not Civ4?

Solver?? What do you know we don't???

	21-09-2005 21:17									#38
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Oh, we could in Civ3 too? I'd forgotten that.

	21-09-2005 21:18									#39
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There were Settlers in goody huts in Civ3? Really? For sure? As far as I can remember, only Civ2 had that and CtP. The AI in those was so poor anyway it didn't matter.

However, if they were also in Civ3, I'll have to withdraw that statement.

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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: I dont see much difference between civics and government type you get to have much more options and combinations. remember the smac model...

Thats what I'm hoping for too, but it wasnt written that way.

	21-09-2005 21:24									#41
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quote: originally posted by Solver However, if they were also in Civ3, I'll have to withdraw that statement.

I hope you're right though, a settler from a hut was too much on any level, heck even a worker skewed the game on most levels.

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quote: Originally posted by Solver There were Settlers in goody huts in Civ3? Really? For sure? As far as I can remember, only Civ2 had that and CtP. The AI in those was so poor anyway it didn't matter.

Are you kidding me? Some people play Expansionistic civs just for the higher chance of getting free Settlers. And guess what, they often do.

	21-09-2005 21:33									#43
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Thats what I'm hoping for too, but it wasnt written that way.

quote: originally posted by Apolyton Civ4 Info Section Rather than having fixed government types such as democracy or communism, Civ4 lets you set inpidual policies on five different terrains: Government, Legal, Labor, Economy, and Religion. Each of these categories will have a total of five different Civic options (for a total of 25) which all have different effects on gameplay and which are unlocked by researching certain Advances.

http://civilization4.net/3/114/143/

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quote: Originally posted by MarkG http://civilization4.net/3/114/143/

Yes, it is rather time to update that, now that the tech tree is fully known and so...

	21-09-2005 21:52									#45
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quote: Are you kidding me? Some people play Expansionistic civs just for the higher chance of getting free Settlers. And guess what, they often do.

Ahh, well, things tend to be forgotten. I haven't really played Civ3 for over 2 years, so I forgot details such as that.

Settlers from a hut can break the game, though, I'd rather not have them in Civ4. A free Settler gives you a city without the effort of building a Settler, and gives you the city whenever you want it - that has the potential to mess the game up if you get it and no one else does.

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Well, world history is a tale of mess...

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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Well, world history is a tale of mess...

That's putting it rather nicely.

	21-09-2005 23:57									#48
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: originally posted by Apolyton Civ4 Info Section Rather than having fixed government types such as democracy or communism, Civ4 lets you set inpidual policies on five different terrains: Government, Legal, Labor, Economy, and Religion. Each of these categories will have a total of five different Civic options (for a total of 25) which all have different effects on gameplay and which are unlocked by researching certain Advances. http://civilization4.net/3/114/143/

A la SMAC eh?

Firaxis seems to have taken many of our complaints/suggestions/mods to heart when making civ4. Whats I find interesting is whether this game will be an improvement (and I hope so) or not? IIRC many of the patches for civ3 included gameplay changes, in response to suggestions from well meaning fans, that were detrimental to the game.

	22-09-2005 02:56									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Settlers from a hut can break the game, though, I'd rather not have them in Civ4. A free Settler gives you a city without the effort of building a Settler, and gives you the city whenever you want it - that has the potential to mess the game up if you get it and no one else does.

Aww, give me a break. A tech early in the game can do the same (like allowing much better trades, for example), and so can "silly" things like maps that just happen to show you those luxuries you would have missed otherwise. The one large difference with a free Settler is how obvious the benefit is, even if you have little knowledge of the game.

	22-09-2005 03:59									#50
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH A la SMAC eh?

Yep

One of the things I love about CivIV already is that it is taking a lot of stuff from SMAC, where CivIII really didn't. Seeing as I liked SMAC over CivIII, I'm happy .

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Anyone notice the wonder under Fiberoptics? A guy standing infront of a big American flag?

It has a resemblance to Al Gore, I think. Maybe its the internet wonder?

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui One of the things I love about CivIV already is that it is taking a lot of stuff from SMAC, where CivIII really didn't. Seeing as I liked SMAC over CivIII, I'm happy .

QABFT

The return of social engineering?

Leonard Nimoy reading tech quotes?! Holy ****ing ****!

That addition alone should give Civ4 more flavor and fun and one-more-turniness than the bland experience of Civ3.

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quote: Originally posted by Verenti Anyone notice the wonder under Fiberoptics? A guy standing infront of a big American flag? It has a resemblance to Al Gore, I think. Maybe its the internet wonder?

I can't say that it is Al Gore - does not look like him for me.

From another side, though, the fiber optic tech icon does not look even remotely like fiber optic. Some gray thingy with blue lightnings out of it. What could it be?

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quote: That addition alone should give Civ4 more flavor and fun and one-more-turniness than the bland experience of Civ3.

Indeed. Some of the stuff that people dismissively reject as 'fluff' was integral to a lot of people's enjoyment of Civ/SMAC. CivIII just didn't have that and lacked a lot of what makes the series so addictive.

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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer QABFT The return of social engineering? Leonard Nimoy reading tech quotes?! Holy ****ing ****! That addition alone should give Civ4 more flavor and fun and one-more-turniness than the bland experience of Civ3.

Planetery Council-like UN confirmed as well, allowing you to vote on various measures, from suggestions to implement certain civics, to embargos and the like.

Not to mention we get the wonder movies back.

As for Mr. Nimoy, if, when you discover space flight, he reads "Space, the final frontier", I am going to have an orgasm. Well, maybe not, but that would be cool.

	22-09-2005 12:55									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: That addition alone should give Civ4 more flavor and fun and one-more-turniness than the bland experience of Civ3. Indeed. Some of the stuff that people dismissively reject as 'fluff' was integral to a lot of people's enjoyment of Civ/SMAC. CivIII just didn't have that and lacked a lot of what makes the series so addictive.

Precisely. We, as a community, may be dismissive of pure eye candies, like better graphics, per se, but being nerds as we are, we like to have our nerd glands tickled by certain stuff, that was present in SMAC, but lacking in CivIV.

It seems however Sid finally figured out what his player base wants (not that it is surprising, since he is a genius in gamemaking).

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quote: Originally posted by Martinus As for Mr. Nimoy, if, when you discover space flight, he reads "Space, the final frontier", I am going to have an orgasm. Well, maybe not, but that would be cool.

I'm hoping for him to say "Civ long and prosper"

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Good one!

	22-09-2005 17:04									#59
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quote: Originally posted by MattPilot cool stuff... thanks for the link! One thing i was wondering about regarding techs. It was said that you can research anything as long as it has a connection to a previous tech. Also, if one tech has 2 connections, you only need one of the previous ones, right? It has also been said that there are no 'ages' per say - its one long tech tree. So my question then is, how does that work with techs that have no preceding techs - like FLIGHT? I'm sure there is something that prevents me from researching flight in the stoneage, but how does it work?

This may have been answered but you have to have -all- the prereq's to be able to research any given tech. Not just one of two or three, but all of them before you research.

Flight is -not- an unconnected tech. Look in the top right (I think it's right) corner of the picture for flight. It requires Physic's and COmbustion. THey didn't draw a nice line from one to another because it would look like spagehtti on the science tree and be hard to read.

Age's were new for Civ3 and no othr Civ type game, including SMAC, ever had "ages" before. I'm sure each of the more advanced tech's all have pre-req's but the players will have to pay attention to what's required when and where.

I hope that helps.

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I'm more inclined to think that those right-added icons are absolute prerequisites, and only 1 of the lines/arrows leading to a tech (if any) are necessary on top of the prerequisites. Otherwise I wouldn't understand the hipe about OR choices for moving in the tech tree.