02-03-2000 10:00									#1
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now we move on to final discussion and working up final drafts

korn469

	03-03-2000 08:02									#2
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Now that the first stage is over, it is time to get the final drafts in and do the nominating...

As for the final drafts, i have been thinking, and here is my two thoughts...

1. We extend the deadline to 11:59 Tuesday 7 2000, it seems that many threads have not been discussed and that only a few threads are ready to post in final draft form

2. Change the word limit to a suggested 300 words...if it takes more than that to fully explain a concept then so be it...however i am sure that it won't take 30,000 or even 3000 words to explain any of the ideas posted here...however i don't want to lose much of the sublte nuances of many of the ideas

Also

i will get an email list up for everyone who posted an idea and will mail them a reminder of whats going on

and i just want to thank everyone who has participated so far! it been great guys...i would especially like to thank my co-conspiritor in this raingoon, and i would like to thank mark and dan for having such a great site!

korn469

(theben the EC3 will be finished soon and you can have your peaceful thread back...at least we have stopped with the thread posting though )
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	03-03-2000 10:40									#3
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Well, I'm really interested to see the result. And don't worry about all the threads--the forum needed a good kicking.

	03-03-2000 13:20									#4
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Korn469 -- good call on next Tuesday. Maybe it's time for Mark to post a reminder on the main page?

	03-03-2000 14:09									#5
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OK,
I will need a kick in the butt to make it.

(I only have Internet at work anymore, so you demand worktime of me. Thank's boys )

I'll try to write something over the weekend.

Korn: Nice job

	04-03-2000 03:07									#6
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Korn469, the way my Energy thread is shaping up I feel I'd better recuse myself from the vote tallying process. There is at least a possibility that Energy or my nomination for the News Ticker could be in the top 10 and I wouldn't want my co-manager status to tarnish all the effort. So if you don't mind handling it, I'd feel better if I stepped back at this point. Not that I don't remain, your devoted servant in Civ,

raingoon

	04-03-2000 07:05									#7
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raingoon,

not a problem

korn469

	06-03-2000 13:00									#8
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So... when we write these drafts, we put them in our threads...

	06-03-2000 13:07									#9
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Pythagoras

yeap the final draft goes your thread, and we will post it to the nominating thread exactly as it is written. final drafts are due 11:59 wednesday March 8, 2000...your form is fine, now work any details that need to be worked out with Imran and DaveV and everything is good to go...

korn469

	06-03-2000 15:49									#10
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Anybody, I need some comments here: http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum28/HTML/000307.html

I completely forgot about that ec3 thing and now that I found something in my mailbox telling me to hand in a result by wednesday I am quite in a hurry.

I am sorry I forgot. Now, if anyone is willing to do some comments in the above thread.

ATa

	06-03-2000 20:41									#11
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Where should final drafts be submitted? In each idea thread, or by email, or what?

	06-03-2000 20:59									#12
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in the disucssion thread for your idea
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	06-03-2000 23:11									#13
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Well, there isn't a "my idea" thread because someone else started a thread for "my idea" before I did. Why not include both our final drafts for the vote? The only reason the other person has "ownership" of "my idea" is because they managed to post before I did, and I followed the guidelines and didn't post a duplicate idea.

	06-03-2000 23:24									#14
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work together and make a single final draft that is an amalgum of both of your ideas...that is why you have to wednesday to discuss and compromise
and reach a consensus

korn469

	08-03-2000 03:23									#15
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Final drafts are due by 11:59 March 8, right?

What time zone?

Is that 11:59 one minute before noon or 11:59 one minute before midnight?

	08-03-2000 04:04									#16
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my guess is 23:59 Apolyton time(EST)...

	08-03-2000 12:05									#17
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Korn,

The final shapes must be very, very exact and specific, or could we write some options there (there are many different opinions in my thread, and I don't want to be the ultimate judge).

	08-03-2000 20:49									#18
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Will you "weed out" any ideas that do not have final drafts or do they stay? If you like an idea but the "owner" doesn't seem to be willing to write a final draft can someone else do so?

	08-03-2000 21:48									#19
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Hugo Rune

you bring up something i hadn't thought of...if the owner doesn't write a summary and somebody else wants to and that person doesn't have an idea they can go ahead and write a summary

REMINDER

today is the last day to get in the final drafts! You have to 11:59 EST on Wednesday March 8, 2000 (23:59 apolyton time). That is today...tommorrow we will ope up the voting threads

korn469

	09-03-2000 01:35									#20
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I have an Idea, could I write a summary for a Fix?

Will there be a "fresh start" with new threads in the third round?

	09-03-2000 02:26									#21
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Korn469

Alternatively, if somebody does not write a final draft, per se, you could simply use their original version and let the voting process weed it out -- or put it in.

raingoon

	09-03-2000 09:14									#22
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I thought this was not supposed to be a List. It seems that most topics are turning into Yet Another List.

I thought this was supposed to be only what is essential. But many topics are turning into what a few people think are "neat" ideas rather than something that "I probably won't buy Civ3 unless this is fixed or added." I've been trying to steer some of the ideas away from micromgmt nightmares etc (even though in some cases I actually like the ideas) to no avail.

	09-03-2000 09:19									#23
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Well, there are definitely three essential essentials IMO:
1.Super, seperate Scenario Editor(role slot system improvements too)

2. Multiplayer Improvements (simultaneous)

3. Improved, imperialism like trade.

Everything else is fixes or candy.

	09-03-2000 10:55									#24
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don Don - If nothing else they'll get a feel for we want. They don't have to stick to the idea like glue. In fact half of the text in each idea is just a wishlist that expands upon their base idea.

Perhaps for each idea that gets voted in, a 50 word summary of each idea should be included as well. Just so that we make sure they get the gist of it without the peripherals. Maybe you'll say that it's not worth it...

However it happens, I can't see that the Essential List will be detrimental to our efforts. I think it will be a help to them in way or another. Be it small or large.

	09-03-2000 11:42									#25
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ok guys the nominating process is over...now things get tough because we have to decide which five ideas in both lists are Essential...this is The Essential Civ3 List

i am now in the process of setting up the lists

korn469

	10-03-2000 00:14									#26
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they did not submit final drafts so like the email and the various posts here said...those ideas not submitting final drafts were not added to the voting list

however if there are Final Drafts that i missed accidently i will add them to the list...i see that father beast just now submitted his final draft so i am going to add it now

korn469
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	10-03-2000 01:07									#27
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at Steve Clark's request i wrote a final draft for new modes of victory and added it to the voting

korn469

	10-03-2000 01:38									#28
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Korn469,

I edited a final draft for Disease and just posted it. I hope you can include it. In the interest of legitimizing the EC3 I'm taking your cue and trying to do last minute postings on behalf of those who may not be on-line regularly, or for whatever reason haven't responded to the schedule. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and helping out where i can.

	10-03-2000 01:49									#29
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raingoon

some people who have been on the forums recently might just be a little late...so we will give them a little time to submit their final drafts...if they do not then here is the system we will use to save to post a final draft

1. if somebody specifically asks for a final draft because they want to vote for it

you and i cannot ask for these final drafts if we intend to write them

korn469

	10-03-2000 01:59									#30
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here is an email i sent out earlier today to the EC3 Email List

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</font>***The Essential Civ3 Mail Update!***

Current Status of the EC3 list:

The deadline for submitting Final Drafts ended yesterday at a minute before
midnight, however i am allowing a short grace period for those who still
wish for their ideas to be included in the EC3 List voting proceedure.

Voting has already begun and will continue until 11:59pm Wednesday March 15
2000 (23:59 apolyton time). No votes will be counted until then, and a
person can edit their post to change their votes if they wish. Two new final drafts submitted late were added to the EC3 List. No More Instant City Conversions added by Father Beast, and New Modes Of Victory. I wrote final draft of it at Steve Clark's request since caranide_ has been missing in
action.

About voting proceedure, here are the following rules set forth:

*Each member has five votes in this thread.
*Please list the five fixes you vote for in one post.
*Please make your list in numeric order.
*Please only post to this thread once (that being your post containing your
votes)
*Please no disscussion in this thread...just list your votes