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Is there any official list as to what civilizations will be included in the game? If not, is there any speculation running about as to what civilizations will probably be covered? I really hated CtP1 with a passion, and probably the thing that pissed me off most was having to fight civilizations such as the Nircaraguans or Cubans, a people who have done nothing for the world besides exporting narcotics. Lets have some civilizations that reflect historical contributions to the world, not programmers' ethnicities.
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"There is no more illustrious history than the history of the Magyar Nation... The whole civilized world is indebted to Magyarland for its historic deeds."
-Theodore Roosevelt, to the Hungarian Parliament,
April 2, 1910
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Tilemacho
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Heraklion, Crete , Greece
Nov 1999
time: 05:14
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Ohhh, look at that history expert....
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please keep any attacks outside this thread if you want to see it continuing to exist...
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Adm.Naismith
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Milano - Italy
Oct 1999
time: 06:14
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I already suggested it in a CIV 3 thread, hope it can be interesting here too:
I like historically accuracy, so I understand the feeling of TheBirdMan
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About choosing a civ: I normally choose a civ, which has more than just a couple of hundred years on the back. I fell it's odd, starting year 4000BC with a civ, just "invented" in 1920 or so. I like to choose and old civ or a race, which "covers" several nations during time.
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Well, why don't start game with the few early Civ, then let the player to change it "on the fly" when some main event occurs?
A few example:
- The Roman Republic conquer the last city of the German: a pop up appear to suggest the wise leader to change the civilization name (suggesting one, overwritable by player) into the like of Roman germanic Empire, or keep the old.
- The Great English Empire fall over a rebellion that split it in two: let the player chose the name of the part remaining under control (may be you can chose to stay with the old Civ or join the separationists).
So we can start Roman (realistically, in old age) then become Venice Republic, then Italian. Chose any other starting point and old age civilization, you can become any Great or little nation you like, also nation usually not included in CTP / Civ list. Can be a win-win solution? 
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Uh... I must have missed something...
First off, I just wanted to know what tribes are included. CtP didn't allow you to pick your opponents, so I felt it very unrealisitc and historically innacurate to find the Cubans the strongest empire in the world. I liked civ2 because I could relate it to history. CtP just messed it up. Isn't the theme of "Civilization" supposed to include the greatest civilizations of history? Serious, besides nationalists, hardly anyone would consider Cuba or Nircaragua as one of the greatest countries ever.
Bartemans
haha. It would be funny and prehaps fun just one game, but after that, pathetic.
Atahualpa
To me, crushing america makes a big difference than crushing Cuba. Besides the missile crisis, Cuba has no major role in history. Meanwhile, america has fought in, and won some of the largest wars the world has ever seen. America has practically dominated the world since 1945. Because of this, I'd consider them a great civilization that history 500 years from now will remember and study, therefore a worthy advisary. Other than that, your post confused me.
Adm.Naismith
I like your idea. We should be able to rename our civilization as the game progresses.
Blade Runner
I'd be happy if Hungary was in the game, but I wouldn't expect it, demand it, or be disapointed if it wasn't. My signature is just a matter of national pride, it really has nothing to do with this thread.
Locutus
I'm not really an expert at programing here, I just want a game I can enjoy. If this version of CtP allows me to choose my oponents, then I don't care if Cuba is in there or not. Once again, I just wanted to know what civilizations are included.
Anyway, I really doubt that I'll buy this game in the first place, since CtP was as terrible as it was. I'm just interested in what civilizations there are.
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"There is no more illustrious history than the history of the Magyar Nation... The whole civilized world is indebted to Magyarland for its historic deeds."
-Theodore Roosevelt, to the Hungarian Parliament,
April 2, 1910
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Stratesford
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Skato Land: Santa Cruz, CA
Sep 2000
time: 05:14
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The cubans are important man, they are the only country in the western hemesphere that dosen't fallow the u.s. I consider that if they can oppose a super power then they must be very F@#$*& rad!!
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samurai
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Kristiansand,Vest-Agder,Norway
Sep 2000
time: 05:14
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MagyarCrusader
If you could choose.What would be the name of the great leader of Hungary?
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samurai
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Kristiansand,Vest-Agder,Norway
Sep 2000
time: 05:14
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Ata
If you play with a lot of Islands, don`t you
rather play Indonesia,Cuba,England,Australia,Trinidad Tobago, and that kind of civs just trying to live yourself into the game?
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Is it safe to assume that this point that nobody really knows (or cares) what civilizations are included? Isn't there a preview site somewhere I can find information? I really don't like being called names and cursed at because I'm trying to find out some information. I stated a reason that had a big impact on me not liking Ctp, and it matters to me because of my $$$$. I have to pick and choose which games are worthwile.
Stratesford
By your logic, we should include the Chechens because they stood up to Russia. Or how about the Palestinians because they stand up to Israel? Sure they don't have a country but oh well! I'm just saying I want civilizations with great historical contributions. Aztecs, Incas or Mayans would be good choices for South America because they built up great cultural empires. Cuba and Nircaragua have not, so it ruins the whole historic atmosphere for me. And this matter sbecause I enjoy history, therefore want it to be at least somewhat historical. If not, the game will not interest me and therefore I shall save my money for something else.
TheBirdMan
This isn't a useless thread. I didn't want a flame war or anything. This thread is about what civilizations are going to be in CtP. I'm sorry people took a minor point I made, blew it out of proportion and changed the topic of the thread. And what is AH?
Locutus
I never downloaded the patches. I played about half of one game and that was enough for me.
samurai
I couldn't choose just 1 leader for Hungary. It'd choose between Attila, Arpad, Stephen, Kossuth, Corvinus, or Horthy. If you are trying to bring up the point that I want Hungary in the game, drop it. I love the country and all but according to most historians it isn't consider a great historical civilization that would rank among the Romans, Egyptians Greeks and Chinese.
Atahualpa
Look man, whatever. I'm not here to bash people's countries, I just wanted some information. Frankly, my feelings towards Cuba and Nircaragua are neutral, its just I don't consider them important historical civilizations. You should probably take your own advice and grow up. You come to these forms with a hostile attitude and start typing insults over the internet, and my opinion actually angers you. It mattered to me in AOE2 what civs I played as or against, and I see no difference for CtP2. If you still want to get bent out of shape because of a minor point I made you should probably ignore my posts, as I will not respond to yours anymore because they contain irrelevant information.
Please, someone respond to this thread if they see any information regarding civilizations. Thank you.
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"There is no more illustrious history than the history of the Magyar Nation... The whole civilized world is indebted to Magyarland for its historic deeds."
-Theodore Roosevelt, to the Hungarian Parliament,
April 2, 1910
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Atahualpa
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Hawthrone
Mar 1999
time: 06:14
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quote:
If you play with a lot of Islands, don`t you
rather play Indonesia,Cuba,England,Australia,Trinidad Tobago, and that kind of civs just trying to live yourself into the game?
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No! Every game I start may be the earth in another parallel universe (not that I would believe this but its better to explain using this model). I dont want a 1:1 copy of THIS world! I like this world to be a model! And the game lets me simulate human evolution in this model! Where the outcome is always different!
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I'm sorry people took a minor point I made, blew it out of proportion and changed the topic of the thread
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To me its not a minor point!
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I never downloaded the patches. I played about half of one game and that was enough for me.
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So you didnt play the game but say all the time that it nerves you playing against Cubans when you have played only ONE game?
Isnt that a bit hypocrite?
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I'm not here to bash people's countries, I just wanted some information. Frankly, my feelings towards Cuba and Nircaragua are neutral, its just I don't consider them important historical civilizations.
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So what? Where is written that only historical important civilizations can enter the universe of Civilization?
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You come to these forms with a hostile attitude and start typing insults over the internet, and my opinion actually angers you.
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Yeah right it does! Cause its arrogant to say that other civs dont deserve to be in a game because they havent had much importance! Importance does vary from person to person! I like playing Cubans for example!
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It mattered to me in AOE2 what civs I played as or against, and I see no difference for CtP2.
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Okay here is the difference: In AOE2 every "civ" has a unique tech tree and an own unique unit (or 2 in case of the vikings). Besides every "civ" has some special bonuses.
In CtP2 the name of the "civ" is a wrapper around the AI not more. In CtP1 personalties were fixed for civs so you could throw all slaver civs in one pot cause they acted the same. You could switch the AIs starting places and play the game again by doing the same actions and the outcome would be the same, however with AI's having changed starting places! (theoretically of course). In CtP2 it is different as Personalties are random, so in one game Americans are slavers and in another Americans are researchers!
Thats why it doesnt matter against which civs you play!
Besides why do you want to deny Cuban Players to play their own country? (okay maybe because they dont get to play the game because of the embargo, but fit in other countries and tell me again).
I live in Austria and in no Civ game now I have been able to play my own country, regardless if it is historically important or not I want to do that!
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If you still want to get bent out of shape because of a minor point I made you should probably ignore my posts, as I will not respond to yours anymore because they contain irrelevant information
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Sorry that is one thing I cant do! Besides I gave you pretty much information here on why it doesnt matter! And again: Its not a minor point to me!
If Cubans are out there are only the Irish left to play for me! And the French.
ATa
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Grand Master Fe Long
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St Albans, Herts, England
Apr 1999
time: 05:14
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you could try to make your own fictional civ. i made over 20 and used them instead of the real ones for CTP. i made 3 of my own scenarios using them which were really cool. I would have posted them on the web but i never got any feedback from my previous stuff so i didn't bother puting any more stuff up any more. Well i guess if you don't like whats included why dont you just edit it yourself to what you personaly like! in ctp i made extra civs like Vietnam, Denmark, Pakistan, Bosnia, Serbia etc as well as the fictional ones! im sure it will be as easy to do in ctp2 as well.
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samurai
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Kristiansand,Vest-Agder,Norway
Sep 2000
time: 05:14
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Why don`t we arrange something so Ata and MagyarCrusader can come together and play an MP
game with each other.And maybe they can tolerate
each other.
Why can`t we all just be a big bunch of civ friends?
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KaiserIsak
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of Isakistan Empire
Oct 2000
time: 05:14
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The reason why these civs are included is for people from their countries to play them, and feel that their country is a supreme country, after all. They shouldŽnt be removed, activision should just add the ability to choice which civs u want to play against.
Or better, make it possible to pl
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Solver
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Apolyton Duke Of Something
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Latvia, Riga
Sep 2000
time: 07:14
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I also forgot to mention this: in Civ I, I haven't had the ability to play for my country, I only gained it in CTP and I want it to remain in CTP2. Basically, the easiest way is to create a civ for each country in the World (about 200) and some more for people without a country (like Palestinians). Then noone would said "I can't play for my country". Basically, I choose either
1. Civ of my country (usually)
2. Or the civ, history of which is interesting for me (e.g. Egyptians, as I know Ancient Egyptian histroy good).
I don't care who my enemies are, as this doens't change their personality.
And I don't understand this: why are the Aztecs removed in CTP? Now there are only Mexicans, while in the original Civ there were Aztecs.
So, I have my country in there and I don't have to worry about that.
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Solver - http://www.aok.20m.com
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Bali
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Riga, Latvia
Oct 2000
time: 05:14
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For the sake of historical semblance still civilizations should have at least 2 names - ancient and modern. E.g. Azteks at one stage become Mexicans with picture in diplomacy screen changing too, or Romans become Italians etc.
I still care also for the name of the adversary which should more or less fit historical period.
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Joseph
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Ca. USA
Feb 2000
time: 21:14
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MagyarCrusader
A little history lesson for all of us. If I make a mistake, please correct it. The people of Cuba and Nicaragua have been around for thousands of years. European man did not find them until Columbus sail here (1492), plus the others, who follow him. America is not a great Civ. Yes I believe we are a great country, but not a great Civ. All of us, that lives here have ancestry to Europe, Asia, Africa, North, Central and South America. The only real American, are the Indians of North, Central and South America. Granted, the people that lives in Cuba and Nicaragua today, are a mix of, Spainish, African, and Indian. The only real Civs from yesterday that are still around today, is the Chinese, Japanese, maybe India and I almost forgot Mongolia. Europe as we know, had everone making a run through it, and so most of the today Europens, have a little of everthing mix in. One of the great Civs of yesterday was the Celts. They move from Northen Germany to lower England, then to Wales, and then to Ireland. I read that Russia and Scotland was started by the Viking. I guess that the Viking are still here today, only in the form of Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland. The Greeces are still here. Someone mention the Palestinian. They have been around for a few thousand years also. I just look them up on the Internet. It looks like they are related to the Philistine. Remmber the Arabs of today are not the people that live in the area (middle east), thousands of years ago. They overran the area when Muhammad was their leader.
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Stratesford
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Skato Land: Santa Cruz, CA
Sep 2000
time: 05:14
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Hey, you forgot the mayans they been around for 3,000 years. They also built the biggest stone monument in the world and the 2nd biggest pyramid (1st goes to the Teotihucans). To me the mayans are still idependent from mexico and guatemala, even if these governments don't accept it. They dare call a fight for indipendence a guerrilla.
I also think that they should put the aztecs instead of the mexicans. Cuz' Mexico is a country not a civ. I think they should put the real name of the aztecs wich is "Aztecatl", and maybe they should do that for every civ as well.
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12-10-2000 09:17
). But never would I dare to think a civ wouldnt deserve it to be in!
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