27-01-2001 06:47									#1
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I was just wondering what government would anyone here feel they can understand. Don't ask me why. For me i'd say it'd be Technocracy. Probably the most important thing.

	27-01-2001 08:57									#2
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How about a republic government where a president can be elected just because his daddy was president, so he should be too. Can we say dynasty?

Not to mention that his cronies in the Supreme Court who are Republicans brought him in as president. oh well - cheers to our government!

	27-01-2001 09:21									#3
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I can take it your anti-bush yeah.



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	27-01-2001 09:48									#4
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Anti-Bush that's me!!!! MrFun, your next project should be a 2004 post-Bush world map- Canada and Europe would be mostly dead tiles

As for my gov't, id take virtual democracy. I have a hard time seeing myself as a slaver (it must be part of being sooooo liberal)

	27-01-2001 15:41									#5
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A Constitutional Republic, that enshrines individual rights.

	27-01-2001 15:45									#6
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A Theocracy, with me being the pope-president manipulating the people to give me offerings and money because I'm the representative of God on Earth.


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	27-01-2001 20:32									#8
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I for one prefer the Technocracy

	28-01-2001 10:39									#9
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Technocracy, I have always been partial to it for some reason.

LOL, Mr Fun, that was good and so true.

	27-01-2001 23:12									#10
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Actually, I prefer the alternative to a Bush government....you know, the one where the President is chosen by cackling, big hair women sitting around a table, holding ballots up to the light, and guessing at what the intention of the voter was. Thats what I want.

Heres the meeting that decides the fate of our nation:

Cackling Big Hair #1 "Gladys, look at this one, theres holes all over the place"
Cackling Big Hair #2 "Its for Gore....cant you see"
Cackling Big Hair #3 "Yea, look real close, push your glasses against your face, see, that hole in the middle of all the other ones. They meant to vote for Gore"
Cackling Big Hair #1 "Of course, how could I not see that"
Cackling Big Hair #1 "How about this one, is that a dimpled chad by Gores name?"
Cackling Big Hair #3 "No, thats a spec of fly crap"
Cackling Big Hair #2 "SHH!! You idiot, they might hear. Thats a dimple, they meant to vote for Gore"
Cackling Big Hair #3 "Sorry, you're right"
Cackling Big Hair #1 "He he....we'll beat those cheaters yet"
Cackling Big Hair #1,2, and 3 "Ha Ha..CACKLE..CACKLE"


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	28-01-2001 18:19									#11
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Why do you understand technocracy? I'm just curious.

It says in the Great Library that technocracy is a coalition between reactionaries, technology-obsessed elitits, fascists and freemarketeers...doesn't sound very pleasant to me. ;D

Personally, I understand best the Ecotopia...after all, with all those rightwing freemarketeers despoiling the world's scare resources, who can blame Ecotopians for wanting to save their planet at any cost?!

	28-01-2001 18:38									#13
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It seems Civilization games encourage political discussions and overall political knowledge...


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	28-01-2001 21:17									#14
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Well, I would, if there had been any evidence anyone was denied the right to vote. But the truth is, they were not. Living in Florida, I followed the hearings into voter disenfranchisement. Of the several witnesses that were brought in to testify of shennanigans or hanky panky on election day, ALL of them voted. My wife is an African American, she found it pretty easy to vote. If there had been any real evidence, the talking heads in the civil rights mob would be on tv 24/7....they arent, because they have nothing to back them up.There were no dogs, firehoses, or locked doors, preventing people from voting. And lets be real, if there were "systematic" denials of access to the polls, it wouldnt be hard to make a case.

And just to be fair, if the Supreme Court had ruled favorably for Gore, Republicans would be shouting from the rooftops that there were dirty tricks and cheating involved. I'm not some wacko right winger, but this past election honestly scared me. Truthfully, the election of OUR leader, was taken out of our hands.

Who would become, arguably, the most powerful man in the world, was to be decided by a select few...be it the Supreme Court(US and Florida)or my big hair cackling ladies :-)

I also support the Electoral College, although, it isnt perfect. I'm not sure there is a way to make an election fair for ALL Americans. With the popular vote, would Al or Dubya really need to campaign anywhere but in Texas, Calif, Fla, and the Northeast?
Would they need Hawaii, or Montana? Not really. Those states could probably pass on voting.
However, with the Electoral College system, while every states votes help, it did come down to one state, Florida. And that was a big one for Gore, because it had so many Electoral votes. But, then again, since there are states that usually go one way or the other, the candidates can ignore them and spend most of their time in the undecided states, the ones they "think" they can win.

Anyway, my candidates usually never make a dent anyway, i'm a "fringe" guy.

	28-01-2001 21:20									#15
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Oh, and to finally answer DarkKnights question.

I would support any government that involved togas, and big busty women.

Juggocracy

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	29-01-2001 02:50									#16
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Well, maybe I would prefer a ballotcracy.

Seriously though, beings I'm gay, why I would I EVER be conservative, much less Republican?

Ok, ok - I need to focus on the topic. In the game, I always prefer Communism over Democracy (mucho production power). Later, I switch to Corporate Republic and then Technocracy.

	29-01-2001 08:03									#17
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Juggocracy. That'd be for me.

Oh, you mean in the game........ hehe. Okay, fascism is the govt for me! This is usually my "Pound those other b'stard nations into the ground!" phase, so I enjoy the tight marshal law and fascist units. You can really pump those things out! Later on (if there is a later on ) I go for corp republic. I find myself falling behind eco and sciencetifically if I stay in fascism too long.

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	29-01-2001 14:18									#18
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Sorry chaps .. Thank God im not American ..

I'll stick with A Constitutional Monarchy .. No president to elect, and the head of state we do have only has the ear of the prime-minister once a week .. but like Thatcher .. you don't have to pay a blind bit of notice .. However, the lords should be replaced by Scientists .. don't worry, they have only delaying powers anyway.

Regards to CTP .. which was the question im assuming..

Tyranny -> Monarchy -> Republic -> Fascism -> Democracy -> Corp Republic -> Technocracy ..

Although the Fascism bit depends on how im feeling at the time .. if I go on a rampage at that early point, the game is usually over pretty quickly .. as the enemy don't seem to bother to attack.

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	29-01-2001 17:22									#19
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hmmm... yeah, I'd really go for Gore, he's a *lot* more liberal

As a commy European (and considering that one of the countries in my current game has been communist for almost 1 millennium) it appears that at least it is a viable option in the game. Another bug?

	30-01-2001 04:17									#21
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BUSH ROXS


those who voted against him say "we dont need tax cuts" and when that tax cut comes in the mail they will be the happiest people


GO BUSH - WE ARE A REPUBLIC NOT A DEMOCRACY :O

	30-01-2001 06:39									#22
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Well, i've enjoyed the debate, but its back to CTP2 for me....the Diplomod 3.1 was just released.....but my final comment is this:

Having served proudly in the USN, I am so happy to see the 8 year assault on our armed forces come to an end. It started with Clinton trying to use the military as a social experiment, and ended with the Dems trying to deny them the right to vote. Now there is voter disenfranchisement.

	30-01-2001 19:16									#24
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It's amazing how the Republican party is soooo good at duping and fooling the middle-class.

Republicans definitely favor tax cuts - FOR THE UPPER CLASS. So, if you're making less than $80,000 a year, you are not going to get a tax cut under Bush.

What I find interesting is how the Democrats and Republicans sort of flip-flopped or trade ideologies regarding civil rights (maybe over-simplifying). The Republicans were founded on the prevention of future expansion of slavery, then later endorsed equal rights during Reconstruction. The Democrat party was for the white Southerner. I guess through the 1930s up to the end of the 1960s, the changes occured in the Republican and Democrat parties.

	31-01-2001 00:04									#25
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Wow, there are alot of pinkos in this post. Anyway the government I can agree with most would have to be a constitutional republic exactly like the one originally set forth in the U.S. constitution, one which was designed to keep the state from crushing free individuals. Sadly, there is no government anything remotely like this today.

	31-01-2001 21:05									#28
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"It [the constitution] was designed to protect the rights of individuals (which is why we have the bill of rights) "

Huh? Bill of Rights is not part of the constitution - they are the first 10 AMENDMENTS to the Constution. The founding fathers were so untroubled by concerns for individual rights that they had to be forced to accept the Bill of Rights as a compromise to ensure ratification!

The Constitution as originally proposed was opposed by states-rights supporters and those who valued individual liberty, like John Adams and Patrick Henry. Do you forget that the Constitution was written and promoted by FEDERALISTS, advocates of a STRONG FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?

	01-02-2001 00:15									#29
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>Huh? Bill of Rights is not part of the constitution > - they are the first 10 AMENDMENTS to the Constution.

Uh the amendments are part of the constitution.

>The founding fathers were so untroubled by concerns >for individual rights that they had to be forced to >accept the Bill of Rights as a compromise to ensure >ratification!

They believed that a list of rights would be detrimental to individual freedom, as it could be taken to mean that rights not specificly enumerated are not protected hence amendment number nine.

>The Constitution as originally proposed was opposed >by states-rights supporters and those who valued >individual liberty, like John Adams and Patrick >Henry. Do you forget that the Constitution was >written and promoted by FEDERALISTS, advocates of a >STRONG FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?

If by strong federal government you mean a federal system as opposed to a confederal system like we originally had you are correct. However ammendment number 10 makes it clear that federal control is limited to the powers specfically listed.

	01-02-2001 00:29									#30
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>So you were one of the 0.1 percent of the population >that voted libertarian, then?

Nope, I voted for Bush becuase of Gore's postitions on gun control and other issues. While I don't agree with any of Bush's positions I find his positions much less horrible then Gore's openly socialist ones. While I would like to vote libertarian I need to yeild to practical concerns, and another 8 years under the democrats would not be acceptable to me.

>In our elections, under 50 percent of the population >turns out to vote. Perhaps if we motivated people to >vote by clamping down on sleaze, we'd have a proper >democracy. But I think we should be less afraid of >democracy and it's about time we let the people >decide who is their President, instead of letting the >states and the courts appoint him. After all, what's >the point in a popular vote if we won't get a popular >outcome?

Up until this year most people didn't even know about the electoral college so I don't think that is a good explanation for the low turnout. I think that a better explanation would be that many find it distasteful to have to choose between a candidiate who you disagree with on every issue and a candidate who you "only" disagree with on most issues.