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Big Huge Games™ plans to create the next generation of real-time strategy games
I would have preferred TBS, but this might be good too...

Wonder who's taking over at Firaxis...
I hope Civ3 will still be good...

Also, "Big Huge Games"? Hmmmmm... couldn't they have chosen a better name

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So Tim Train is leaving Firaxis as well ... did I get that right?

AAAAAUGH! So maybe the Captain (Sid) hasn't left the ship, but it seems as though all his officers are.

So does this mean that Civ III is going to be a flop?

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I really hope not... I'm really excited about civ3... and not necessarily about some RTS game Brian and Tim are going to make.

btw, congrats to Apolyton on being the first to publish this news
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I second Slingshot fear: AAAAAARRRRGGGHHHH!

I can't believe CIV III will be better without so many brain, in spite of anything Firaxis and optimistic fans will say to keep us happy.

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Mark G (or Dan Q):

You are very good at keeping us up-to-date. But do you know when we might hear from Firaxis next?

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OH FOR THE LOVE OF...

Well, now I've seen everything. Brian Reynolds not only bails on Civ3, he runs off and starts making real-time crapola. Unbelievable. Well, I don't play RTS and I sure don't plan to start now. I wish Brian the best in an abstract way; in a more concrete way, I wish him failure for making Civ3 less likely to be the magnificent gaming experience it ought to be. Sid, if you read this, please please please do whatever you can to make Civ3 a good game. Please please please.

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Based on the type of games they claim they will produce, it seems if they will only be able to produce one game every two years. Not sure how they will make money doing this, but good luck to them, and kudos for having the balls to try. I don't play real-time, so they won't be getting my dollar.

Sounds like they may have wanted to call themselves
"Big Huge Gamble"

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The bad thing about RTS is that it always seems to be:
- get lots of resources, fast
- amass as many units as possible
- send them all down to the fray, and
oh! stupid knight! What are you doing, walking right into that wall of guard towers?

Oh great! There go seven more, right to their deaths chasing down some goons.

It seems that the victor is the one with the most units and the quickest mouse hand. Not much strategy in that.

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why did they leave?
Did they get in a fight with sid?

p.s. if their games will be like Gettysburg and Antietim, i will buy them (those are good, normal RTS. No resource collecting and all that blizzard bull)

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I have no interest in RTS (I think the above post summed it up). I also have no interest in a CIV3 (yes you read that right). I want a functional version of Civ2 first. Only in the software industry can companies put out crap and then move on to the next layer of crap w/o FIXING the problems in the earlier version. Auto giants suffer recalls. Too bad software suppliers aren't required to be as consumer friendly.


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what is missing from this picture? http://www.firaxis.com/team.cfm

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I dunno, MarkG.

How about a listen-to-apolytoners-closely-or-die attitude? I would like to see more of that from Firaxis... especially now!

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Reynolds, Train, Inscore, and Coleman. Ai-yi-yi... That's a fairly significant defection of veterans. I'm sure it will be business as usual at Firaxis, but man, that's gotta hurt.

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uahh now that news hurted a lot.
so tim train leaves too

now lets count, Firaxis currently has:
1 CEO (Jeff Bridges)
1 Legend (Sid Meier)
9 Artists
1 Director of Finance
2 Programmer (Chris Pine, Jason Bestimt)
1 Assistan Programmer (Jeff Morris)
1 Designer (Mike Ely)
1 Sound Engineer
1 Webmaster
1 for Miscellaneous
and 1 for PR stuff

so we see, Firaxis has too much artists and too little programmers.
Also they lack of designers, they only have sid and mike and both are working on dinos, so who is working on civ3?

I am quite worried about the release of Civ3 and Dino.

At the moment with the current Staff, I dont think firaxis is able ot develop dinos and civ3 at once. I think they will push civ3 back develop dinos and then come back to civ3 afterwards. Or they hire some people, but then we maybe see something like CtP1 (the result of an unexperienced crew; I dont say ctp is bad, but...).

ATa

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Who cares about programers? Make them artists as well!

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I'm not worried about Civ3. . and i don't give a damn about dinos, but WHAT in hell could make all 4 of those guys leave firaxis? Brian leaving was shock enough, but all of them? As far as rts games, i love them. If you think their no stretegy in playing them, then you're missing something. . get your ass whiped online a few times, and then perhaps you'll see where you're so sorely lacking in strategy. . Concerning the name of the new company, Narck, your an idiot! Thats a great name!!> . lol

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Originally posted by connorkimbro on 02-28-2000 03:12 PM
I'm not worried about Civ3.
Oh, they'll make it eventually, the question is: how much delay will there be?

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As far as rts games, i love them. If you think their no stretegy in playing them, then you're missing something. . get your ass whiped online a few times, and then perhaps you'll see where you're so sorely lacking in strategy. .
Yes, there is some strategy in the games, but the thing that bugs me about them is that when 2 people who are equally talented play against each other, the one with the fastest mouse hand wins.

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Concerning the name of the new company, Narck, your an idiot! Thats a great name!!> . lol
Hmmmmmmm.... I don't think it's that special


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There is one thing that really struck me:
how come Brian reynolds who designed all these great TURN-BASED games like civ and SMAC is creating a compagny that will focus on REAL-TIME games whereas Sid who has recently produced excellent REAL-TIME games such as Gettysburg is with Firaxis who is doing a TURN-BASED game, ie civ3 ! I don't get it. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

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That director of finance can punch my numbers anytime

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the diplomat: Not really. Brian Reynolds probably wants to try his hands at something new, just as Sid did with gettysburg et al. Brian was being "type-cast" at firaxis, basically working as a TBS-sequel-maker. I think that's part of the reason he left. Indulge him, people! Don't be game-conservative. Judge the game when it comes out instrad.

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Originally posted by The diplomat on 02-28-2000 03:47 PM
There is one thing that really struck me:
how come Brian reynolds who designed all these great TURN-BASED games like civ and SMAC is creating a compagny that will focus on REAL-TIME games whereas Sid who has recently produced excellent REAL-TIME games such as Gettysburg is with Firaxis who is doing a TURN-BASED game, ie civ3 ! I don't get it. Shouldn't it be the other way around?


Maybe they got bored with what they were doing

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I simply fear that Civ3 will drop to Christmas of '01, or even later. And who knows how it will turn out!

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Ahh shoot... Tim Train was the guy who worked with Sid on Pirates!, right? (I note the Pirates! is an RTS that is overlooked by quite a few people.) Seems like a there was a major vision conflict...

All the best to these guys. They have helped give me two of the best games ever made (Pirates! and Civ2).

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As an aside, it appears that www.bighugegames.com is being registered as we speak. A whois search returns nothing, but when you try to register the domain, it disallows it. They are learning.

Also, this must not have been in the works for too long. Even though they show the "TM", it doesn't show up in the trademark databases, meaning that the application probably has been filed in the last couple of weeks.
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Looks like Alpha Centauri colonist's are not the only people that split into faction's.

As for the Real Time direction, I always had a suspicion of this when Brian in a interview said that one of the games he had been addicted to recently was Age of Empires 2.

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Thanks, Slingshot. We do what we can.

We got in touch with Lindsay Riehl at Firaxis for the company's response on the announcement.

See our CivIII section for her comments.

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Well, it looks like we're going to have plenty of time to submit our suggestions! I agree with you on the RTS games, I don't have much use for them.
Looking at this from another perspective, it looks like once again the big boys are going to win. A few days ago we all thought that Civ3 would beat CTP2 to the store shelves, now I would not be surprized if CTP2 made it to the retailers first. I wonder if Brian quit without concrete plans or if he already had a deal worked out, possibly including some funding to develop his next game. wouldn't it be funny if Activision was subsidizing it?

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Good job, Markos and Dan, keeping us informed. I thought that Tim was perhaps the best PR guy at Firaxis. I wonder who will fill HIS shoes.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to an RTS from those guys.

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Well,, I'm not quite ready to start playing taps for turn-based strategy games just yet but the news lately has sure not been very good.
Brian and his new company are going into real-time, and Sid has been on a real-time kick for quite awile already.
You have to ask yourself why would these pioneers of some great turn-based strategy games suddenly turn their backs on them, instead of improving them ?
While the easiest answer is the younger gamers today want real-time, meaning bigger sales, personally I think the development of internet online play is also a big reason.
get those gamers online so you can advertise your other products !!!
in any case, I have yet to play any real-time game that eventually didn't turn into a frenzied mouse clicking picture of chaos in the late stages. Now thats real strategy
but the response from a gamer above is why it's not going to improve, "getting your butt kicked online " means strategy ??
duh,, it only means you have an internet conection.

 
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