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abolish post counts
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| Yes, abolish post counts in the entire ACS boards |
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37.50% |
| No, maintain the current situation wrt post counts |
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47.92% |
| I don’t know/don’t care/anything else |
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14.58% |
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48 voters |
100% |
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Colon
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Antwerp, Colon's Chocolate Canard Country
Jan 1970
time: 06:14
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Yes, I’m willing to sacrifice my dearly-earned status. Yes, there shall be a violent backlash, which shall dwarf the upheaval after Ming's election to moderator and YYYH's & Stewart Spink's banning combined. Blood shall be shed, lives will be lost, innocents will flee, a simmering discontent will remain long after the battle has been fought and ACS shall have lost its last remnants of serenity....
But this all for the well-being of these forums. 
No seriously, I think that all things taken into account, postcounts have more disadvantages than advantages, (not that I can think of any serious advantages to begin with ) it encourages making posts for the sake of it and not for the content.
‘Status’ can be earned as in real live, by being interesting, honest, friendly, funny, having longevity, a cool avatar or whatever, no need for post counts for that.
I’m sure that if titles have to stay, there’s some sort of other way to distribute them.
Last edited by Colon on 15-06-2001 at 18:25
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:14
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Sorry, post counts are part of the fun. And without fun I dont need this place.
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Colon
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Antwerp, Colon's Chocolate Canard Country
Jan 1970
time: 06:14
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Chris, my concern isn't so much with "equality" or even with the avatars, rather with the fact it encourages making posts to jack up your score and thereby spamming.
I don't blame people for doing that, I know the feeling myself.
I remember that a long time ago, Markos posted a list of top posters. I was 4th on it and Dominikos (or Sergeant Sheets, can't really recall well) was 5th with no so many posts behind. Our immediate reaction was to compete for that 4th spot.
Even though we were kidding around, it was enough reason for Markos to never post such a list again to prevent or at least discourage pc competition. (why he added a top 20 list with the recent update, I don't know)
Most people (or males) just like competing, even if it concerns a silly thing as pc's, but the problem is that it affects the quality of posts.
Caligistia, it's just for the joke.
Besides, you still haven't explained to me why I'm specifically supposed to get a starfish?
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Immortal Wombat
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in perpetuity
Dec 2000
time: 05:14
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Chris, my concern isn't so much with "equality" or even with the avatars, rather with the fact it encourages making posts to jack up your score and thereby spamming.
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Imagine a forum with no post-counts....
[Far-Future mode]
We'll take a look into the Civ2 MP forum :
*gasp* where is all the friendly banter gone? Now just see a long list turns. Where has the will to fun-post, interact and converse gone to? 
CTP MP forum.
A PBEM game perhaps... "Game to <i>x</i>", "Game to <i>y</i>"
Gosh what a lively place. 
CTP2 general forum
Loads of threads started by newbies, asking questions. No replies to these queries because no-one can be bothered to waste their connection time making a post to answer an *obvious* question. 
OT forum.
Less fun-posting, fewer game threads, loss of sense of community. Its already happened a bit because post-counts no longer count there.
[/Far-Future mode]
Anyway, the point of this look into a Communist Apolyton was that without some reason for posting selflessly, to help newbies, or a fun-post in the on-topic forums, a less people will bother to make posts that add humour or help or whatever to the boards. Its an ambition to aspire to and to keep 
BTW. A more interesting, though less final poll could have been:
Abolish PC (I'm a settler)
Abolish PC (I'm a chieftain)
Abolish PC (I'm a warlord)
Abolish PC (I'm a prince)
Abolish PC (I'm a king)
Abolish PC (I'm a emperor)
Abolish PC (I'm a deity)
Keep PC (I'm a settler)
Keep PC (I'm a chieftain)
Keep PC (I'm a warlord)
Keep PC (I'm a prince)
Keep PC (I'm a king)
Keep PC (I'm a emperor)
Keep PC (I'm a deity)
Abolish PC (I'm MarkG so this vote decides it anyway )
Keep PC (I'm MarkG so this vote decides it anyway )
Maybe a bit too many options though...
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Chris 62
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But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
time: 00:14
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I love a good debate.
Pity this isn't one.
Wombat, you always say that PCs magically make for better posting.
How?
Where?
I contribute to the game forums (General, scenario league, spanish, Mp games), and PC doesn't mean Jack-sh1t to those people.
The only ones who care are the Off-Topics bunch, of which I am also a member.
I don't buy your argument at all.
There is no reason, outside of the punishment for spamming by PCR, for their exsistence.
My count is close to 3,000, and at least half of it came in the Off-Topics, playing the word associations, or the music games and such, not by quality posting.
However, the rest are in the games forum, about the games.
The quality of said posts has zero to do with Post Count.
PC is meaningless.
I only need it for the custom avatar.
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Immortal Wombat
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in perpetuity
Dec 2000
time: 05:14
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Wombat, you always say that PCs magically make for better posting... The only ones who care are the Off-Topics bunch
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No, just more posting. Spam is fun to watch, its fun to watch being closed, its fun to watch people getting PCRs. Everyone knows that PC doesn't give status, so no-one sees it as status. Its just an added feature of the boards
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originally posted by Chris 62
The quality of said posts has zero to do with Post Count.
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originally posted by Colon
but the problem is that it affects the quality of posts.
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Erm...
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Eli
Sorry, post counts are part of the fun. And without fun I dont need this place.
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Who left when post-count was introduced? It gives an extra reason for staying. I would stay whether post-count existed or not, because I post a lot in the CTP2 boards, and a bit in the CTP boards, and my post-count isn't that important to me, but I still think it is a good thing.
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I contribute to the game forums (General, scenario league, spanish, Mp games), and PC doesn't mean Jack-sh1t to those people.
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Nor to me. It doesn't mean anything, it afford no status or even knowledge or experience, but even without meaning, for some people, its an added incentive to post, and what trouble does it do?
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There is no reason, outside of the punishment for spamming by PCR, for their exsistence... PC is meaningless.
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I agree actually, but rather than responding by abolishing it, why not keep it? It does no harm, and if it means more people post more, then keep it. Spam isn't hurting anyone. People know who spams, and that PC is meaningless, so no-one cares that Infatuation has 5000 posts or whatever.
Outside the OT, people with a high PC have obviously been there a while anyway, and regardless of spam and OT poor-quality Word Association Threads (Aren't they fun ), people who have been here a while get to the higher titles without even trying, and their words come with experience.
If everyone knows PCs are meaningless, why bother abolishing them? Keep them for their advantages.
Last edited by Immortal Wombat on 16-06-2001 at 16:30
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Colon
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Antwerp, Colon's Chocolate Canard Country
Jan 1970
time: 06:14
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Wombat, I don't think there are many people who believe the point of a forum is watching spam and people reacting on it. Even less that it is fun.
You said pc's doesn't have negative effects and causes no problem, but you do say it encourages spam and many to most consider spam as negative, otherwise we wouldn't have had 3 mods in OT battling it.
If you're afraid people stop posting if pc's are abolished, then why do you say nobody bothers about pc's in the first place?
And in case that wasn't obvious, perhaps people post here because they like to talk about stuff, such as civ2, politics or whatever? You don't talk to people in real life to jack up one or another score do you?
If you want pc's as an indication of longevity, why not just do the obvious and look at the date they registered?
It's not as if I consider pc's the being the evil of all evils, but all things taken together it's pointless and has a negative effect (except for those who enjoy spam) and that seems enough reason to abolish it.
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Immortal Wombat
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in perpetuity
Dec 2000
time: 05:14
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Wombat, I don't think there are many people who believe the point of a forum is watching spam and people reacting on it. Even less that it is fun.
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I didn't say it was the point of the forum.
It really really depends on the definition of spam. There is very little spam on Apolyton, because there are 3 OT moderators, and more admins, keeping the forums spam-free. Most people who have been here any time will know that spam is a waste of everyone's time, and will act responsibly.
Fun-posting is FUN. Most of the time it is humerous, and a lot more worth reading than some serious posts I've seen.
Spam for spam's sake is mostly perpetrated by DL's, who are obviously not motivated by postcount because they get banned usually after about five posts.
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You said pc's doesn't have negative effects and causes no problem, but you do say it encourages spam and many to most consider spam as negative, otherwise we wouldn't have had 3 mods in OT battling it.
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I actually said it encourages more posting. Maybe I wasn't very clear. I meant that of the posting it encourages, roughly the same proportion of it will be spam, but most will still be good quality posts. Look at ACOL as an example of a post-count free forum. Look at all those quality threads, with no hint of spam, no hint of anything but a serious debating forum where people can talk politics or Civ2 or whatever Abolishing post-count won't do anything to stop those who spam for spams's sake, and it wont stop fun-posters from having a laugh.
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If you're afraid people stop posting if pc's are abolished, then why do you say nobody bothers about pc's in the first place?
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Nobody but Eli then...
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And in case that wasn't obvious, perhaps people post here because they like to talk about stuff, such as civ2, politics or whatever?
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When did I deny this ? 
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If you want pc's as an indication of longevity, why not just do the obvious and look at the date they registered?
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I have no objection to that. Maybe we could compromise at Chris' and your suggestions combined?
A number and a date?
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