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The Capo
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of the Baltimorons
May 2000
time: 05:14
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Diplogames, diplogames, diplo-mofuggin-games...
Ajbera, I welcome you to the wild world of Diplogaming, please refrain from listening to most of the morons that populate these threads when they attempt to describe to you what a Diplogame is...
I could tell you but it just wouldn't be really apt at this time to go into it, lets just say if this game is played like HOTW is (not to brag, but its a good fuggin game) then you will be in for a great treat, and although I have yet to compete against Cybershy I'd love to play in this game.
So basically tell me what day it will be on, if its good I'm down, hell I'll even make you guys one kick ass fuggin mod to make it look all nice and European.
If I play put me down as either the Greeks, Italians or French, I dunno yet...
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CyberShy
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Delft, The Netherlands
Mar 1999
time: 06:14
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Like some people mentioned in this thread already,
a good diplo game is not a matter of rules but a matter of balance.
As long as the European nations have a power balance they'll hate it when one nation attacks the other.
Imagine France invading Belgium, what do you think the German would do ? Or the English ? They would help the belgiums to prevent France to become big and strong.
For that reason the European map is one of the best maps to play a diplo game on. All countries are more or less connected to each other. And compare it with the 'real world', no continent has that many diplomatic theathies as the countries of Europe.
Of course there should be some rules in it.
Since much people have already applied I'm going to put them up for discussion.
- 1x1x Deity.
- No diplomatic contact before you made contact. (the alliances should 'grow' in the game and shouldn't already been made in advance)
- No city bribe
I like the rules as been suggested by SmartFart:
- no switching wonders
- no switching caravans, peeking or any other sort of cheating.
Of course a diplo game is all about fairness. It's so easy to peek at the map when the session is over. BUT the fun will be ways bigger when you don't.
- one of two sessions per weekend.
My suggestions are GMT (Greenwich main time = London)
Friday - Saturday: 23.00 - 03.00
Saturday - Sunday: 23.00 - 03.00
That's the australian early morning, european night and american evening.
So far applied:
ajbera: (Turkey, Spain, Greece, Italy)
The Capo: Greece / Italy
Zylka: Germany
deity: England
Rasputin: (Turkey, Spain, Greece, Italy)
SmartFart: Russia
CyberShy: (Turkey, Spain, Greece Italy)
I suggest the participating nations are: (From west to east)
England, Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Russia.
This would spread the nations over the map.
I'll make it a scenario and send the scenario in advance to everyone.
Pherhaps we should alter the map more or less, but we can discuss that later.
Your thoughts please,
CyberShy
 Attachment: map.jpg
This has been downloaded 89 time(s).
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Species8472
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re-read, re-write, redo, undo
Jan 2000
time: 05:14
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it looks like i am too late already since there are 7 players, but i would love to play in this diplo if someone backs out.
i prefer king above deity, i think it gives more possibilities to those who do not get the happy wonders.
i agree with all the other rules. i love 1x1x. the map also looks very cool.
well, if i can still be in, my contacts:
ICQ 15720485
email: wkerpershoek@hotmail.com
i can play any day during the week at the evening. i live in Europe, so GMT +1.
in the weekends i do not care, i can play whatever time.
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Zylka
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Also, Markus has a cool graphics package for this, we should consider using it.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:14
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I'm willing to play in case there's a sub needed
ICQ# 77849402
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The Capo
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of the Baltimorons
May 2000
time: 05:14
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Not to toot my own horn, but I've been in plenty of Diplogames and at least three European Diplogames.
I know my sh*t, so I don't care what tribe I get, let everyone else decide and then I'll shoot in, there are a few things that I disagree with thus far (I'll admit I haven't really even read anything). The main one is the choices, EVERYONE should decide what tribe they want, no matter what; if we get stuck with Denmark, The Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, France, Luxembourg and Norway, so be it.
The most important thing is that everyone is comfortable and interested, so I disagree with choosing tribes first and players second. I am very familiar with European culture so I can play as any nation.
As far as this map goes, I'm sorry but I've played on it numerous times and its horrific, if we are playing this NEXT Friday, which is the 30th, then I will make a map and a modpack that you clowns will cream your pants over. For the map we have a few questions, like should we make the Rhine and Danube navigable?
I'd also like this to be somewhat different than a normal European diplogame, so I am going to list some tribes that people hardly ever choose in case anyone wants to switch...
-Poland
-Sweden
-Portugal
-Switzerland
-Austria
-Ukraine
-Finland
-Scotland
-Ireland
-Brussels
So whatever, I'd like this to be really unique and fun, so sue me if I try too hard.
Anyway if you wanna see what a diplogame under my tutelage is capable of, check out www.geocities.com/history_of_the_world
Believe me, you are in good hands...
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The Capo
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of the Baltimorons
May 2000
time: 05:14
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I wouldn't be against letting someone else make the modpack, but I'd really like to do it, and promise an awesome job.
As far as the settings go, I'll make a map and send it out to everyone so everyone can say "Yeah, that's good."
But the settings, definitely 1x1x, I think roads should be moved up to 1/4, and ships should each have at least 1 more movement rate.
Science rate should be lowered so we aren't nuking eachother in 1200 ad. I think we should consider taking out SDI like we did in HOTW.
It should be either on King or Emperor, Deity is just too ridiculous for an MP game.
Those are my suggestions, again, I've been in like seven diplogames and so far this is what I think would be the best for everyone.
As far as tribes I'd like to play; Italy (because I am Italian), Spain, France, and Greece... maybe Sweden...
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ajbera
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of the Cookieville Minimum Security Orphanarium
Apr 1999
time: 05:14
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Alrighty, another newbie question: what's Wonder sharing/switching?
1x1x and deity are fine (though I usually play single-player at a lower level) - if I prove to be a poor leader, so be it. No city bribes is okay by me (I always disliked that ability) but I see nothing wrong with unit bribes. However, I'll abide by the majority decision.
As for tribes, my first choice was Italian (I also have Roman blood in my veins) followed by Spain, Turkey and Greece. If Capo makes a special map I'd be interested in playing the Swiss.
Is Friday cemented as the play day, or is that subject to change? I can play on Friday, but I'll have to bow out of an existing roleplaying group that meets Friday night, and that may tick some people off. Honestly, Saturday is optimal for me, but I can be flexible, because I am very interested in playing Diplo-civ. However, with so many eager subs available, it doesn't seem problematic if a player has to miss a session or two.
Looks like I'll have to go to Mirabilis and get ICQ. It's probably indispensible for diplo-gaming.
I live in New York, so what hours are we talking about? 6:00 to 10:00 (that's good). And (approximately) how many weeks/months does a game last?
-Adam
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CyberShy
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Delft, The Netherlands
Mar 1999
time: 06:14
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The Capo,
if you can create a great modpack, then I'm sure that would be better ! I don't have enough experience with create a modpack, but if you want to do it.......
I'm not sure about the Rhine and the Dunabe,
I think at least they should be able to cross by land units as well, but that wouldn't look that good on the map. (you can create a chain of small lakes, in case you didn't know)
I pretty like your idea to chose a tribe yourself !
Pherhaps that's better indeed then first chose the tribes and then the players ! But I think these tribes should have their original starting locations. (their capital)
In that case I would like it to play The Netherlands. (I'm dutch  )
If you make a map, can you make it so that Sweden and Norway are on it, north Africa, gulf of Gibraltar. Pherhaps not too much Russia on it. (till the east side of the Black Sea pherhaps ?)
Be sure you make Great Brittain not too small, so the english have a good change to survive, and no passage from Denmark to Sweden, so the british have a good change to arive in Sweden before the european do. No passage over the Gulf of Gibraltar as well I suggest.
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I think roads should be moved up to 1/4, and ships should each have at least 1 more movement rate. |
I think not much will be done by ships, but I don't care if movement is +1.
I don't really care about road movement 1/4 as well, thus if majority says 'yeah' that's fine with me.
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Science rate should be lowered so we aren't nuking eachother in 1200 ad |
Would we ? But that's fine with me as well.
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I think we should consider taking out SDI |
Hmmmmm, but then we should be very serious on someone that actually uses nukes ! We can leave SDI in the game but make them very expensive as well............
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It should be either on King or Emperor, Deity is just too ridiculous for an MP game |
In fact I like the 'hard start' deity games give.
I think that if we lower it to King or Emperor it might be to easy to expand quickly.....
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what's Wonder sharing/switching? |
You can 'give' the city that holds all your wonders to your allie before your turn is over. Then your allie will receive all the benefits of the wonders that are in the city (ies) you gave to him. If he then gives the city back before his turn ends you'll receive the benefits etc. etc. etc.
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but I see nothing wrong with unit bribes |
I think majority will agree on unit bribing to be accepted.
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Is Friday cemented as the play day, or is that subject to change |
Saturday is ok with me as well. I prefer not to play on sunday / monday night since I have to work on mondays.
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I can play on Friday, but I'll have to bow out of an existing roleplaying group that meets Friday night |
Something else I remembered, pherhaps much of us will leave for a vacation as well........... I won't be able to play 2 or 3 times in August, in example.
Pherhaps we should make a good schedule in advance, and play sometimes on saturday as well to improve gamespeed.
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I live in New York, so what hours are we talking about? 6:00 to 10:00 |
I thought New York was 5 hours behind GMT......... that would make it 7 to 11, but I'm not sure.
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And (approximately) how many weeks/months does a game last? |
Hard question, I think we need around 10 sessions, thus 5 weeks of we play twice a week, and otherwise.......... long. (depends very much on connection speed)
CyberShy
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