24-08-2001 08:34									#91
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USS Maryland, with cage masts before its refit early in the war...

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	24-08-2001 08:36									#92
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USS Nevada...

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	24-08-2001 08:37									#93
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And USS Pennsylvania before its early war refit...

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	24-08-2001 08:43									#94
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I'm going to attempt doing a couple of battleships with those battleships with wing turrets (like Dreadnought and Blücher) and midships turrets (like Texas, Konig, and some of the Japanese ships). Any help with that will be greatly appreciated, since all of my trial attempts thus far are disasters.

	24-08-2001 10:04									#95
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Wow, thanks Scott!

Just a bit of trivia: the HMS Warspite was the most often damaged ship in the history of the Royal Navy. She took damage in most of the RN's major battles between Jutland and the invasion of Normandy

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	24-08-2001 17:41									#96
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Scott actually I had just designed a newer version of the Bismarck and Hipper class. Your ships look excellent! The cage masts on the Maryland really were probably difficult, but they look very good. Are all of those going to be in your scenario?

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	24-08-2001 21:10									#97
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Scott: if you want to see an example of midship turrets, you can look at Nemo's Kongo class battleship which has it. I'll try and bump the thread where I posted my compilation with it

	29-08-2001 09:28									#98
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Yet another mass-posting of battleships coming in a moment.

Don't worry, I have done work on the scenario. With luck the final version of the multiplayer variant will be ready before Friday. I'll probably just post the url for the download here rather than send it by email (I don't have the email addresses of all of the playtesters and not all of the playtesters I am emailing have repied with anything). Once the glitches are out of it (shouldn't take too long, as this one should be nearly perfect), I will draw up the special rules and events for the civilization-specific batch files.

Also, I take it from the lack of comment that no one is interested in attempting a multiplayer game of this once it's working right? I have no clue how to go about doing a play-by email game though.

Case: Warspite was a very distinguished ship. As a final show of defiance, she ran aground while being led to the breakers to be scrapped.

Anzac: I'll check Nemo's Kongo to see if that will work or not. The cage masts weren't hard to come up with at the start (checkerboarded colors) but making them so that they didn't look crappy took a lot of trial and error with different shades of gray.

	29-08-2001 09:31									#99
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HMS Courageous, one of Jackie Fischer's tin-clad battlecruisers, armed with four fifteen inch guns in two twin mount turrets. Another example of people learning the wrong lessons from military actions (this time at the Dardanelles).

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	29-08-2001 09:35									#100
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HMS Furious, sister ship of Courageous, was even more extreme. She was armed with a mere two eighteen inch guns (the first and only time in history such large guns were mounted until Yamato and Musashi came along). All of Fischer's "Outrageous" class tin-clad battlecruisers were later converted into aircraft carriers. Only Furious survived WW2.

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	29-08-2001 09:38									#101
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HMS Hood, whose fate is well known (send her against the Bismarck on the previous page ). Likely one of the most graceful and distinctive ships ever built.

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	29-08-2001 09:41									#102
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HMS Malaya, of the same class as HMS Warspite, shown here as she looked during World War 2. The Queen Elizabeths were all modernized in the interwar and all looked similar, though a couple of them went through a further second modernization which changed their appearance dramatically.

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	29-08-2001 09:43									#103
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HMS Valiant, shown after her second modernization (Barham and Malaya were the only ones that did not undergo two separate modernizations).

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	29-08-2001 09:46									#104
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HMS Repulse, victim of Japanese bombers.

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	29-08-2001 09:47									#105
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HMS Renown after her reconstruction and modernization in the late thirties.

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	29-08-2001 09:50									#106
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And for Case, the H Project battleships, that would have been the follow-ons to the Bismarck class in Hitler's Z Plan had events of his own making not interfered.

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	29-08-2001 09:51									#107
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And as a final bonus, an O Project battlecruiser, designed in the Z Plan as a follow-on to the Scharnhorst class.

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	29-08-2001 12:50									#108
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Thanks again Scott!
I'd just come online to post my version of the H-Class. Not surprisingly, it looks remarkably similar to yours
(The H-Class looking a lot like a stretched Bismarck).

To add my own bit of naval trivia, even after construction of the H-Class had been canceled, the Germans kept updating the design of the ship, with the final planned version being larger then a modern 'Nimitz' Class Super-Carrier!

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	30-08-2001 06:04									#109
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And here's a Warspite I (quickly) made for Anzac a few days ago:

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	30-08-2001 17:56									#110
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Again, great work Scott! Also this wasn't really clear: Was the Warspite modernized in the interwar years with the tripod masts being removed?

	30-08-2001 18:03									#111
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Also I made an Alaska class "Large Cruiser" Check it out.

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	30-08-2001 18:07									#112
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And here's the Washington class Battleship

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	30-08-2001 18:10									#113
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And finally I revised Nemo's Iowa class to have the correct bridge tower.

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	30-08-2001 19:35									#114
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erm...what scenario are these things for again or is this just a unit showcase thread now?

	31-08-2001 04:31									#115
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Anzac, the 'Warspite' was modenised twice in the interwar years, and the tripod mast were removed.
Here's a picture: (I've got a much clearer one, but its too big to post)

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	31-08-2001 05:54									#116
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I don't suppose any of you guys know of any sites that list which naval ships participated in the Korean conflict. I was looking for a site on planes of that era too, I can only find ones that list U.S. planes though.

P.S. I figured I should ask before I got banned.

	31-08-2001 06:17									#117
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Mao: Hey I like this as a showcase!!

Case: Thanks. Disreagard my redundant questioning

Jimmy: What the heck did you do to get banned?!!

	31-08-2001 06:32									#118
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I am not banned yet, but I posted a link to a story written by a korean war vet that described him shooting a prisoner and then it described the wave of emotion that he felt after he thought about what he did. I mentioned in the post that I hold veterans in the highest regard (no matter what nationality). Tecumseh took this the wrong way and thought that I meant I approved of shooting prisoners and calling asians 'gooks'. I didn't mean anything other than to post the link to both show how our young men are sometimes forced to sacrifice their humanity and what hell war can be.

	31-08-2001 10:36									#119
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Like Mao said: what scenario are these units being made for? I admit that i stopped playtesting the turtledove scenario a while back but i didn't remember there ever being that big an emphasis on the naval aspect.

	31-08-2001 19:09									#120
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Too bad Jimmy, it didn't seem that bad when i read it. Well it happens.

H Tower and Mao: Well Scott posted a few for his scenario and then some others that he had created. Then I posted some and they were for Case's The Cruel Sea, so that should cover the purpose.