30-06-2001 00:34									#31
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It's no biggie

	30-06-2001 03:23									#32
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Ok, I just sent out the latest version, much improved, to everyone on my list. If I missed anyone, post here and let me know and send a copy as soon as I see it. If anyone needs a new sound file, let me know, but I didn't want to send 5 or 6 of them out unless I knew for certain that someone needed and wanted one. They're very big zip packages and take a lot of time to load up--big hassle.

This new version has gotten rid of a lot of the little annoying errors and oversights and has a very cleaned-up tech tree. There are many new unit graphics and a few new graphics in other areas. The events have been cleaned up too, but several other events are still being "considered."

Please do let me know what you think about this one and thanks to for all the comments and criticisms that have come back so far. The contributions are making the scenario better with every response. In the final release version, I will certainly credit all who helped in this regard as playtesters in the readme file.

Exile

	30-06-2001 03:26									#33
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The guy in the bad powdered wig is Vauban.

Exile

	30-06-2001 06:41									#34
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Hey guys. I'm only a half newbie really. I've been checking the Scenario Legue Forum most days for over a year now. I have posted afew messages but generally I just like keep track of new scenarios.

Anyway. I would be interested in this PBEM game. Would you mind mailing it to me exile?

	30-06-2001 11:33									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Exile The guy in the bad powdered wig is Vauban. Exile

And the 1000 dollar award goes to Exile!

Yup, you're right.
I am not completely happy whit that avatar, but it sufices

	30-06-2001 17:39									#36
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Yes, Caspian, let me correct a few things. Henrik has pointed to some unforeseen problems that must be addressed this morning. Please either leave your email address here in this thread or private message me your email so I can send it to you.

Exile.

	30-06-2001 22:47									#37
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Caspian thats allright we need someone to play either russia of turkey. russia however might already be gone so that leaves the turks

	30-06-2001 22:49									#38
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or spain seeing as you said that already lol

	01-07-2001 21:41									#39
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Never mind

Last edited by Henrik on 01-07-2001 at 22:48

	02-07-2001 23:34									#40
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My e-mail address is

alan.bartholomew@lineone.net

So what civs are available? Has Spain been taken already?

	02-07-2001 23:42									#41
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No Spain is not taken, I hope you will side whit us (Italy and France) against the Imperials (Brittain and Germany)


I hope they wont declare war imidietly, just becouse we are part of an opposing alliance block doesn't mean that there can't be (a tensionfilled) peace...

	03-07-2001 00:57									#42
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quote: I hope they wont declare war imidietly, just becouse we are part of an opposing alliance block doesn't mean that there can't be (a tensionfilled) peace...

Of course, we can all live in peace and harmony, singing songs of joy and bliss, frolicking through vast fields of joy and happiness, then BAM! stabbed in the back.

I guess the alliance would depend on Spain. What's happening over there, or will they stay nuetral for a while and see where the cards fall?

Will Spanish governments be overthrown by radicals, or will they work within the system for the greater good of Europe and Spain? (ei will they be fascists or imperialists)

Hey, mabey they'll join with Russia and the Ottoman to protect each other from 'alarming extremes' of their neighbors. Who knows, use your imagination! Or don't, its up to you.

Ioanes

	03-07-2001 02:20									#43
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Hey, Exile, like the new German conscripts! But where did the machinegunners go?

Ioanes

	03-07-2001 02:41									#44
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We all have to put up with some sacrifices in life.

Actually, I liked the machine gun unit quite a bit and it wasn't an easy step to simply get rid of it. Unfortuneately, the AI did truly weird things with this unit and nothing that I did could stop it, so, it had to go. I really liked the sound for this unit; it came from the Jules Verne scenario's machine gun unit and was really cool. I've been busy with it over the past 2 days and the version that I have now is very close to complete. I have everything the way that I want it and the AI is not doing anything more stupid or ridiculous than usual, and . . . I haven't made any substantial changes for quite awhile, and . . . I went ahead and produced the final readme, which is a sure sign that the thing is almost finished. There might still be a hidden bug or two, and I'm depending on you guys, the credited playtesters to let me know if you find anything amiss.

I tried to attach the file here, but the thing says it's too big. Email me if you want a copy of the new version.

edit; one last thing. The final version will contain a second Events file strictly for multi-play, very much abreviated when compared to the solo events file.

Exile

Last edited by Exile on 03-07-2001 at 02:54

	03-07-2001 03:15									#45
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So you mean that Germany wont automatically declare war on england at a certain point in the game???? please please please please. hehe do i sound too desperate lol.
I agree with my ally Ioanes that the peace will depend on spain for a lot of reasons. Ease of transportation being one of them but also it would tip the balance of the medetterainian war.
Just something we should remember.

At the moment the sides are

Britain & German
vs
France & Italy

With russia spain and the turks neutral.
So i wonder which way those nations will turn. Will they join the ritious or the infedels. (use your judgment for which is which lol )

	03-07-2001 12:59									#46
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I still think that all nations should be human controlled before we start...

	04-07-2001 01:10									#47
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i agree henrik its just that i put them neutral because they hadnt been chosen to be played yet

	05-07-2001 00:03									#48
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Caspian are you going to play as spain or you could even be russia if you want to. and the turks for that matter. If so say so and then we are one step closer to playing this beast. also everyone should have the completed AGE OF WAR now

Thanx Exile!!

	06-07-2001 05:02									#49
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Sorry about the delay Exile. I've played your scenario for many turns now and I'm happy to play Spain if that suits everybody. So Here goes.


People of Europe. Here follows a transmissions from his Royal Highness, King Caspian of Spain:-

"Brothers. I must let you know that Spain has no territorial ambition and harbours no animosity towards her neighbours. She hopes yet that peace will prevail throughout this great continent and that our frontiers shall be respected.

New powers are rising in the West and in the Far East. Let us work in partnership to put down these up start nations. Together we can affirm and consolidate our global dominance. War will lead to decedance and decay."

Thus ends transmission from His Royal Highness, Caspian of Spain

	06-07-2001 05:43									#50
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Excellent Caspian thanx a lot

Right at this moment in time we have these civs


Russians:
Italians: henrik.lohmander@telia.com
French: Dai_VietMinh@yahoo.com
Germans: JMShrader@aol.com
Turks:
English: Grothgar_1999@yahoo.com
Spanish: alan.bartholomew@lineone.net

Means only the Russians need to be taken up (the turks as well but they are not really on any consequence so i think we could afford to ignore them?)

THE TIMES NEWSPAPER July 5th 1900

Today the Prime Minister Mr Smith welcomed the call of spanish neutrality. He also proclaimed his support for the government of the spanish nation and said that anyone who messed with Spain messed with Great Britain.
"Although seperated as our two nations are we share common borders because of Britains alliance with the portugese and spain has never sough to extend their borders beyond what is proper of a nation of her standards. I am therefore extending the hand of friendship to our spanish alter ego King Caspian. I am extending the offer to join the alliance of democracy to the nation of spain and i hope they will accept this offer. But even if they refuse i will still leave the way open for their easy passage into the forces of the alliance."

Mr Smith speaking today to the house of commons on britains reaction to spanish neutrality.

This editor thinks that Mr Smith is casting around for allies for the coming conflict with the French and Italians even though he will not say as much the conflict will come. It is just a matter of time.
God save us all

Samuel Clements
Editor of THE TIMES newspaper
July 5th



(P.S Caspian if you join the alliance i might consider giving you the technology of "DEMOCRACY" after all you can be in the alliance without that tech. Just a thought )

	06-07-2001 06:05									#51
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"Spain wishes to accept Britains hand of friendship and prays that all countries of Europe can come to similiar arrangements.

Although she is very flattered that the beneficient prime minister of Great Britain has invited her to join an alliance, Spain must reaffirm her neutrality. I, Caspian of Spain, also wish friendship with our northern neighbour France. I would not wish to threaten France's Southern Flank in such a way in times such as these.

In the same vain, Spain does not wish threaten Britains friendship with Portugal."

	06-07-2001 06:17									#52
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Ok, after some playtesting, there have been several new additions to the scenario. First, some mistakes have been cleaned up and the tech tree has been tweaked again. Don't fret; this happens a lot when I'm fine-tuning the thing. Not a lot has changed, just a few connections. Monoplanes are now harder to get, and Dreadnoughts are easier.

I added a wonder that I've never included in a scenario before because, IMO, it's too powerful. Leo's has now been added. It's called "The Red Army" and its prerequisite is the Communism tech. The Russians receive the Communism tech via an event in July 1916 and now The Red Army will "go with it." Testing revealed that the German/Austrian civ just has too much of an edge if this isn't implemented. It doesn't go obsolete during the game. This will put real pressure on the German player vis-a-vis an assault on Russia, especially late in the scenario.

The 2nd change is that the Italians will receive the Fascism tech in 1922. Had to do it. There was simply no other way for the tech-poor Italians to get to Fascism in time to be anywhere near historically accurate.

Enjoy,
Exile

	06-07-2001 06:29									#53
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I can accept that caspian if i was spain i would wait to see which way the axe fell before making my decision

Exile making Dreadnoughts easier to get to almost makes it too easy *rubs hands together in glee* and this is an intresting development leos workshop for the russians. oooh nasty. maybe i should be glad no one is russia at the moment

Looking forward to recieving this one exile

Come on peeps we need a russia and maybe a turkey

	06-07-2001 06:49									#54
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Well, I'm still looking closely for mistakes. Henrik informed me several days ago of an error, and I corrected it pretty quick. But then, in doing so, I made another, and didn't catch it until last night. Didn't anybody notice that the Italians couldn't build their own Infantry unit and that all the other civs could? Oh well, it's fixed now.

Ok, admit it. How many of you have had a Munitions Plant blow up on you? C'mon. Confess. I was test-playing the thing last night and today as the Turks (I strongly suggest someone play the Turkish side, btw, or the British will sweep up the Near East) and built several Munitions Plants in several cities. Besides making production faster, they also cleaned up pollution. Then, while fighting the Germans in the Balkans, my cities kept exploding because I failed to monitor them closely enough while in Republic. A unit would leave the city, and next turn BOOM! One good thing did come of this, however. I noticed that whenever a city did explode because of this, a graphic was displayed that I had "blanked" out. I found which one it was, and put something there that is appropriate.

If anybody wants the latest version, let me know in this thread and I'll send it to you.

Thanks again,
Exile

	06-07-2001 07:09									#55
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i confess i was england and every single city had a munitions plant and no popular culture and then i declared war on france and boom disorder in every city and half my poulation off the map!!! i thought you intended there to be no pic because of civil unrest

	06-07-2001 07:11									#56
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and exile you spoilt my evil plan!!!!

	06-07-2001 07:46									#57
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And I thought that I was a screw up! HALF your pop?

I suppose that it can sneak up on you.

Thanks for the confession. I don't feel like such an idiot now.

Exile

	06-07-2001 08:55									#58
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Headline: Germany Accepts Spanish Nuetrality

In a lengthy speach, the minister of foriegn affairs addressed the nation in an hour long speach concerning Spanish relations. King Ioanes, then, after needing to be awakened, delivered his speach, all two minutes of it. Besides the fact that the crowd was relieved, what stood out was German's acceptane of Spain.

Quote: If only France would learn from her southern neighbor, mabey the unheeded impetus of her youth might be curbed against nature in the form of bull fighting, or other such fine past-times. End Quote


Oh Exile, I did accidentily blow up Prague when I was switching to Democracy. Ouch. Thats what happens when you don't know that munition plants are just nueclear plants in disguise.

Anyone know if anyone is going to take Russia?

Ioanes

	06-07-2001 17:52									#59
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Italy sees no reason to violate Spanish Neutrality, may peace and prosperity reign.

Last edited by Henrik on 06-07-2001 at 18:06

	06-07-2001 22:56									#60
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Spanish Communiqué


Spain is very encouraged by the calls of friendship from the great leaders. Perhaps we are about to enter a new era of détante?