29-07-2000 05:19									#1
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Useful could include important, and helpful in accelerating your understanding of, and improvement in, Civ2 play. Both current and archived threads apply.

Perhaps a maximum of three (this is flexible), with a reference (URL if possible but a sufficiently detailed description will do if the URL is not easily obtained). Of course one strategy may be covered by more than one reference. Besides being a simple poll, the info may be useful as a reference point for strategy searches.

I'll post my nominations later.

	29-07-2000 08:23									#2
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The Super Science City.

OCC in general.

	29-07-2000 08:33									#3
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Is it only this forum? Because I got a nice strategy from Xin Yu at SLeague about Red Front. But from this group of forums...hmmmm...maybe the moving a ship into an inland lake? And the SSC comes in as a close second.

	29-07-2000 09:34									#4
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Trade for caravans directly adding to science.
Building Cities on Mountians/Hills for defensive bonus.
Try to avoid going to war with Berzerker.

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	30-07-2000 09:23									#5
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1. Super Science City.
2. Caravans.
3. Use of diplomats and spies.

	30-07-2000 09:23									#6
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Too many to mention. You just can't rank them. Everything learned from the OCC challange, to exact information on stuff not covered in the manual... Just wander through the archives sometimes... Far too hard to pick just the top three

	30-07-2000 03:58									#7
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Building Hanging Gardens on Deity

	30-07-2000 05:35									#8
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All of them. I was horrible at Civ until I came here (relatively speaking of course )

	30-07-2000 23:00									#9
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Specific:

1. Using 2 settlers to found a new city. Start the first on a hill to mine it, then use the second to establish a city. Good production and defensive bonus. In later game, you can terraform hills on a river and do even better.

2. Learning that trade adds to the tech advances (and the corrollary of temporarily maximizing the trade in the originating city).

General: The realization that two size 1 cities outproduce one size 2 city.



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	30-07-2000 23:05									#10
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Oops, meant to add a 2nd General thing I've learned here: How to understand cumulative defensive factors...

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	31-07-2000 02:39									#11
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I'd have to say the loading of saved games on my laptop during play. You would be surprise at how much it helps to see the whole map during a game.

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	31-07-2000 02:54									#12
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Hehehe.
I guess hyperlinks don't work in sigs.

I thought of something else that helped in early game.Feudalism.I never used to bother with it but pikes can defend for along time.With them, barbs are not a threat early.

	31-07-2000 03:59									#13
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	31-07-2000 05:23									#14
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	31-07-2000 14:59									#15
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1) OCC
2) incremental rush buying
3) super Ironclads

	31-07-2000 16:19									#16
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MWHC... I know you discovered that trick, but don't tell me you still use it

	31-07-2000 16:48									#17
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I like to think i was a pretty good civ player before i started hanging out here at Apolyton!! I'd already broken my duck at Deity Ha ha!!!

But the best strategies i've picked up on are:

1) Trade routes and caravans
2) Incremental rush buying!
3) Beaker Counting!!!

Scouse, What's the Super Ironclad???? i've not heard of that one!!

Ming, Can we throw you a party for your 10,000 post?? Per-leeeeeese!!!!!

	31-07-2000 17:47									#18
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Important things I picked up here: caravans (never realized you also got a beaker bonus on delivery before I came here) and super science city.

	31-07-2000 18:04									#19
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hmm, I think it would be more fine tuning of strategies i was already using. I had been using food caravans to grow cities, but not every turn. I had been sending out massive amounts of caravans for gold and science but not trying to maximize it by altering the tax rate to keep from wasting science once the F6 screen was full of beakers for a turn. I had been trying to maximize trade in the cities I had the colossus or ikes or cope's wonders but not trying to put all 3 in the same city. I had been building settlers quickly initially, but not tried to build a settler in my only city if it was still size 1. I've always used the 2-engineer strategy as a stop-gap but not as the sole means of pollution control.

Aside from that, I could list things I had thought about but still have yet to try. Things like OCC or the no city challenge strategies. Also, I've gained a better understanding of some earlier wonders (HG, STWA) and units (pikemen, knights). I suppose after I put more time in on smaller maps I may even try govt's like monarchy or fundamentalism now that I have seen how others use them. Can't call things i haven't put to use a useful strategy of mine can I

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	31-07-2000 18:42									#20
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The thing that definetely changed my game the most was learning the value of trade. I didn't realize that it directly added to your science when you established a new route.

Learning how to collect tribute effectively has helped a lot.

The SSC was a big break through for me also.

	31-07-2000 18:48									#21
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I was kidding. I only did that one time with Ming, against Rah and Xin. If I remember correctly we still got our butts kicked. It did allow me to snake a diplo deep into Xins land and take Leos! That was great fun giving Ming constant naval reports!!

No, really, for me it was discovering you could transform city centers into hills. The added defense bonus basicly makes an already weak AI worthless.

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	31-07-2000 19:37									#22
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Most of the above and:

1) Streamlining tech paths - getting what you really need early. Once I saw the big tech cost jump at 20 techs I started planning what techs I needed first to develop.

2) Four special pattern & goody hut pattern. The four special pattern has been really helpful to know right from the start what cities to try to maximize.

3) Trade squares. Shields you can buy, food you can skip with WLT_D, but trade is the very essence of Civ. Rivers, silk, wine, gold, whales, gems, spice and roads - these are the true sources of profitable caravans!


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	31-07-2000 23:15									#23
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1) Calculating attack/defense odds. I like to know what my chances are, rather than closing my eyes and hoping for the best.

2) William Keenan's barbarian paper. It's invaluable to be know how the barbs appear, and how they change types.

3) Early-game expansion. I've always been a sleazer, even before I knew the term, but I've learned lots of tricks to maximize my growth during this crucial phase of the game.

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	01-08-2000 00:50									#25
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We Loving the SuperScience City
Caravans for trading/wonders
Incremental rush-buying

...and let me add my thanks too. Even though I'm not contributing as much any more, this is by far the best forum I've been involved in.

	02-08-2000 01:40									#26
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1) The value of tribute, and how to get it.

	02-08-2000 09:53									#27
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Super ironclad! What is it?

	02-08-2000 12:16									#28
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You build The Lighthouse and Magellans.Then get Steam Engine before Magnetism.Vet ironclads with 7 moves.

	03-08-2000 05:01									#29
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Smash, Wow, I thought vet ironclads through Sun's were good enough (because the "upgrade" to destroyers weakened you). I'll have to experiment with the combo you described...

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	03-08-2000 06:44									#30
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Any vet ironclad is usually strong as they can take out pretty much anything up to and including riflemen.I like "wolf packs" out causing problems.Don't really matter how you get them I guess.

The Lighthouse, in addition to keeping triremes afloat, also makes veterans and adds 1 move to all other ships.

I think you get another move with Atomic Theory.So you could have 8 square 'clads for awhile.

There is a window in which to rushbuild them before Magnet.I find this window larger in MP games as few seem to go after Magnet until late.