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Guardian - Planetary Governor or not, Lal can still act as one anyway by getting into others affairs, which he has done a lot more frequently since the Great War/Second Spartan War.
-LordLMp
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Cyber
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Playing chess with polar bears
Sep 2000
time: 07:14
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Whazzup...
Finally I´ll be able to post a little more in this story, somewhere about 3-5 on the Darkcloud scale.
LordLMP, I´d like the Cult to have a few more bases, something like two or three more.
I´ll use Blakes old Admin post, with a few modifications of course.
Besides Xenoempathy Dome, according to Blake, the Cult had the HGP, so put that in your list also.
Whats the situation with the CoP military? I mean, whats their strength procentage compared to their original pre-war strength.
For now, I´ll put the number of units in the military to be 3 x the number of bases. That means their support will be badly strained, and the morale won´t be the best as the people there have seen whole generations of mindworm and human soldiers being devoured by the Endless War.
BTW, whats their technology status? They got Advanced military algorithms and Air Power(?), some other tech that I can´t remember, and Missile tech from the Spartan rover. I´m not sure about these though.
The tech they have researched themselves: Centauri Genetics and Retroviral Engineering, and are currently researching Biomachinery.
With Centauri Genetics they´ll have Locusts but not much for now, as it is brand new technology and the CoPs haven´t had the time to grow much of the damn flying buggers.
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Cyber - gave me the coordinates and i will place them. do remember, as they are in war, hard for them to expand to much too...especially. so some of the new bases could be established as a military base at first...and during quiet times during the war, chance to build up a bit more.
by 2200, will allow them to to have complete Advanced Military Algorithms, Doctrine: Air Power, Synthetic Fossil Fuel and High Chemistry.... all factions would have those techs now anyway, either by research, trading, given or stolen. But i can't cult have much of an air force...maybe atleast 2-3 interceptors for defence against Believer Needlejets later in the war. rest of air force would be comprise of locusts.
in CC, we should seperate morale and experience... it is possible to have low moralled troops to be very experienced. so i see the air units to be quiet experienced after practicly constant air battles...become llike the Israel air force which seems to be the most elite in our world.
I see morgan mainly providing Infantry equipment/weaponry, ammunition and building resources...but may provide the occasional rover and building materials to contruct needlejets.
Natan - better that the believers didnt get mind/machine interface just yet to contruct helicopters. and don't think believers will accept slaves because of religion.....and no overdose of stereotypes concerning fundies. Anyway, hive will have trouble sneaking any military units with the Pirates about :P maybe advisors, observers, etc like the Spartans sent to the believers.
I rather see Kane die in battle in my opinion :P can't see him being a surrendering person, especially knowing Yang. not into sub-groups, but terrorist/guerilla/etc groups back by a faction(s) or whatever is okay...unoffcially most likely, but still.  Also, pirates would volunterely join groups like that, especially with Svensgaard encouragement I have questions about Kurita and the Colonel....are they in the same side or fighting each other guerilla wise...and they would still have some rovers too....bad shape yes, but still I also see Morgan selling weapons, supplies, etc... to any groups like that
As for the beach head evacuation, can't see Hive foils take out Pirate cruisers which has foil support...maybe loosing couple of foils, lost of transport(s) and damage to rest, but no cruiser losses Hive may succeed in having some yang books smuggled into Pirate bases via peacekeepers, morganites and maybe data angels...but pirates will confiscate them. they would be ban, just no fees or jail...just confiscation and having intelligence keeping an eye on whoever that had the book And Free Drones would reject the stuff instantly. Morgan, as governor, may officially give hoot to the Pks for backing Kane's forces...but PK would have fun hit him back with this acceptance and using slaves from Hive 
Yes, i still have to write Pirates timeline....tonite i will definatly if i not called in to work.
-LordLMP
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Cyber
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Playing chess with polar bears
Sep 2000
time: 07:14
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Darkcloud-So should the Cult have 4 x bases amount of units? That´ll definately bring them to the breaking point of support, and of course, their science is in a very bad shape and still going down.
I truly hope the believer won´t have a couple of hundred units ready and willing against Cha Dawn, because that´ll surely squish the Cult.
LordLMP- Don´t worry about needlejets, I wasn´t even planning to start building them, relying only on Locusts. About the elite airforce thing, I think the Cult troops on the border fighting the Endless War, have to be much more experienced than indicated on my admin post now, somewhere minimum Great boils and veterans. Hey, They´ve after all fought down there south for about fifteen years now.
The three bases are here:
Province Xeno 12,66 a beatiful, small base, popular vacation place for Cult citizens.
Worship of Planet 15,53 built as a potential trade place for Cultists and Gaians.
Nest of Fear 23,83 a military complex, main purpose is to stage air raids deep into the believer territory.
I just don´t see any chance for the Cult to win this devastating war, except with allies, and even that might not be enough to stop the fanatic believers. Should try to end this conflict as soon as possible, grind it down into a concrete stalemate. But, after all, thats what the Cultists have been trying to do these whole fifteen years now...
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Natan
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New York State
Sep 2000
time: 00:14
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Sprayber is correct, what I was saying was that the Hive had badly damaged the cruisers, probably with needlejets, although they still managed to withdraw. As for Kane, he surrendered because he thought the struggle could be better carried out from behind prison walls. If he kept fighting, he would have died a hero's death, but remember, he is from the Hive, he has no desire to be a hero. He figured that some of his men might be able to feign re-education, and that others might escape and tell the other factions about what happened to them. Unfortunately for him, the Hive is being very careful with his men, executing many and putting the rest to work on what are essentially chain gangs. Some might escape and make trouble, but none are going to be trusted. If you really want though, we could either have Kane try to swim out to the boats and drown, or swim out and be picked up.
I think we should let a few Pirates come around to Yang's ideas, not enough to riot or revolt, but enough to be useful to the Hive in intelligence gathering, hiding Hive Probe team members, etc. Ditto for the PKs, but the Data Angels and the Drones wouldn't have such infiltrators.
I didn't say the Believers would get MMI, I said that the Hive would send some of its own helicopters to help them out, and keep mum about the identity of their pilots to prevent an international incident. Advisors would also be present. I figure that the Believers would be pretty much okay with having Hive advisors, since the Believers are probably also worried about PK criticism of their human rights.
Guardian: That's an issue which I thought about, but forgot to write about.  I figured that Kane would get a sympathetic pro-war PK to let him through the defenses on the PK side of the border, and that a quick "accidental" PK artillery strike or probe team raid on the Spartan side could let them through.
Kwaseme and Kurita started out as members of Kane's army which invaded Sparta. Kurita has always secretly harbored loyalty to Yang however, and so after Kane left for Hive territory he re-established links with Yang, who ordered him to start attacking the PKs, with his former desertion of the Hive making the pretense of deniability a little more credible. Yang let the Spartans in on this plan, so they let Kurita through while pretending that he had fought his way out, and then the PKs thought he was still their man, so they let him through, presuming he had returned to get more supplies and men for future expeditions.
Kwaseme is a PK himself who joined Kane's army because he liked its image and wanted to fight the Spartans. With the death of Kane though, he is now basically a PK agent, with some Free Drone support.
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Morgan is not allied with the Cult...cult of planet is just a client to them that is buying their stuff, thats it. Morgan isn't going to fork stuff over and he doesn't have any units there helping them. The Morganites would sell stuff to the believer if they ask, but won't offer it like they offered to the cult. and believers wouldn't like the morganites anyhow, with their evil greedy money ways. anyway, Believers don't seriously have a problem industry/resource wise to be buying stuff from other factions.
Gaians is a pacifist faction and not interested in war as it does cause damage to Planet too. Also, Gaians are mysterious...and their intelligence is pretty good, has they have the most empath/telepaths on chiron with their Empath Guild and all. which means they have automatic infiltration of all factions. Sure they dislike the morganites and are operating various covert actions against them, like enouraging mindworm attacks within morgan territory. Gaians see no need to help the Cult, and don't want help them either has the Gaians see them has hypocrites, crazy and way to fanatical. but they are ready to the possibility that the believers will soon or later break through and wipe out the Cult and then becoming their new neighbours.
Only things which the Believers violate in the charter is freedom of speach, freedom of religions, freedom of choice, and etc... they ain't has bad as the Hive. Spartans may give MMI to believers, but what makes you think a Fundy faction would take advantage of the tech? sure you don't seriously need a MMI to fly a copter, but would be hoot of lot easier thought, especially if chiron has a higher gravity than earth.
i can see peacekeeper units trying to stick themselves in the middle trying to stop the war, but won't attack either side....but would defend themselves. Pks would also pick on the Spartans and hive(if they are so inclined in helping the believers) and etc...
don't mind if the hive succeeded in infiltrating the pirates, same with the spartans...but doesn't mean they will easily be able to cause riots, trouble, sneak in probe teams and etc.... Pirates are pretty ready and good at covert warfare, with help from the data angels.
Natan - what reason, interests, does the hive have by helping the believers...especially has they would consider hive evil with its police state ways, slaving people, and etc....
Can say factions only seriously started paying attention to the Cult-Believer war in the early 2190s.
-LordLMP
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Cyber
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Playing chess with polar bears
Sep 2000
time: 07:14
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People, your acting like a bunch of big arse bosses around a conference table, smoking cigars and deciding the fate of whole nations And the Cult is in the spotlight, with prisoner clothes on and head bowed in front of the Judges, Jury and the Executioners.
But the prisoner won´t be so easy to break.
LordLMP- Yeah, the Gaians are a pacifist faction, but they can´t be so stupid to not see that they´re next if the Cult gets wiped out. Besides, the Cult is fanaticly against pollution, and tries to minimize it but circumstances require other things for now. The Cults warfare isn´t polluting, as they don´t have much conventional units.
Besides, shouldn´t you give the decision of whether to be on the side of the Cult or not to SMAC Fanatic?
Darkcloud- The Gaians might just help the Cult if they were convinced to more vigorously worship the Planet, but that´ll take time and won´t be sure.
Other potential allies? Maybe the PKs will be willing to come between the two factions at some stage, but you know their bureaucratic flegmatism(joke)...
The Cult wouldn´t even consider Morgan as their ally, and are peaceful with them only because they are their chief war suppliers, and Morgan is also the PG.
Spartans are out of the question, for obvious reasons.
I don´t understand why the Hive is so interested about helping the believers against CoP. Because of close relations to Sparta? Or is this just a testing ring for their brand new wartoys, the copters?
So all the sh*t I threw when I was in charge of the Spartans against the Cult of Planet, is now falling on me... feels like as if I´ve kicked myself in the *ss
The Chiron Alliance members are probably not concerned a bit about whats happening to the CoP, just eating popcorn and laughing at the desperate Cultist pleas...as always... besides I´ve got the impression that the alliance doesn´t like the Cult much...
Free Drones are out because of geographical reasons.
The University might be interested to help the Cultists struggle against their mortal enemy, but probably with nothing else than technology exchange, as again geographical reasons prohibit their help.
I´ll write the Cult history summary 2183-2200 soon.
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Longivity is more like keeping our cells, including brain neurons, to continue to replicate and not get bored and then die(aging).
technologicly don't have the means yet (maybe we do, just not releasing it for secret reasons, like the cure to cancer and aids), but the idea makes complete sense. The Longivity Vaccine SP is mainly discovering how to keep the cells reproducing pernamently. God created our bodies to live forever...its just us over time that ****ed up are bodies in various ways, like alcohol, way of life which spawns plagues, way of thinking, etc... hey, the bible and other stuff mentions that humanity use to live hundreds of years several thousand years ago :P
Darkcloud - so, if you want the PKs to pick on University due to their unethical ways, then there always testing humans, humans acquired secretly from Hive? while Morgan secretly buys slave labour from them? There is also cloning and genetic manipulation too...retroviral engineering, etc...
Cyber - Cult more into worshipping Planet by planting fungus all over the place, extreme use of mindworms and lack of interest in human life (the main thing which the PKs decided not to directly help the cult). yet, cult also has built several mines along the pholus ridge, with fungus around it. they done that even before the war. so they are hypocrites to the Gaians, especially if they are taking stuff the morganites. Another thing, Cult also found a few Battle Ogres before Blake dissapeared :P
Natan - Okay, makes sence. but Cult did have some interests in having some relations with the HIve...making them hypocrites to Gaians again. especially has both Hive and Cult have lack of interest to human life :P By having hive help out the believers a bit, believers gets to know them more, and then discovers the truth about them, then do the the massecre of hive troops in believer territory while keeping some of the Copters :P then we would have a problem of Spartan vs Hive concerning the war and Yang discovers such good friend Dawn can be Hive has been lagging behind in mindworm/planet research and their use of mindworms.
SMAC Fanatic plays the Cyborgs, unless he chooses to give them up to play the Gaians. Fine, if you people so interested in having the Gaians help out the Cult, then make it unattentionaly. I did say they have observers...and has notice that the believers still hasn't succeeded in breaking through the Cult fungus lines yet. Gaians could help indirectly with some probe actions like encouraging mindworm attacks against the believers, aswell has having IoD incidents. the Gaians won't declare war on the believers first, thats for sure and they don't have formal relations anyway to seriously break with the covert actions.
Believers would also be one of the biggest polluters, ala George Bush.
Sprayber - Since the spartans has so much experience in eradicating mindworms, fungus, etc... why not teach Believers to play with Napalm for example?
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Ain't has much as repairing cells, just keeping them replicating. the replication of cells in our bodies at the moment eventually slow down...slower and slower....the effects, aging....gray hair, wrinkled skin, etc.... keep yourself in good health, good eating, exercise, etc... has it encourages the cells to replicate...so end up living longer... it is already predicted that people from 10 to 50 could possibly live as long as 100-150 years atleast....and doubt you will be fragile, weak, etc... for 60-80 years....unless you don't take care of yourself.
From what i know of SMAC, longivity techniques was discovered a decade or more before Unity was launched and research was quite advance, not to far from discovering the Longivity Vacine. So would make sence that Unity carried the research data on it and how to do it... so all of the factions atleast have the basic data from the beginning...just that resources couldn't allow them to recreate effectively longivity... and i would think each faction know how to do it, just the effectiveness, research level, equipment use, how, and etc... may be different.
So can have University have the most effective regen tanks and etc... where people from other go and pay energy credits so they can be longified. But i doubt leaders would personally go to University to do that...they would try to acquire the designs, data, etc.. on University regen tanks or whatever instead :P
As for people accessing this fantastic wonder...depends on each faction, ideals, society, etc.... Pirate government would control their own regen tanks for the leader, governors, politcians, military officers, scientists, engineers, etc , but would allow private/public/commercial/etc ones so people have access to the wonder....but government ones would be a lot more effective and easier. miniaturation you can say :P hey, computers use to be the size of a room....look at computers now. Longivity would pretty much be the same. from big and crappy to small and wow.
Can have University working on the Longivity Vacine, which along the way improves their longivity abilities and maybe develop different other ways to it too...... there is also cloning and neural scanner that copies your mind, conciousness and paste them to the clone, etc......... Anyway, there other things which University can do to get factions questioning their unethical ways, etc....
The Cult of Planet does dislike factions to damages Planet, but will overlook them for some various reasons...and at the moment, Cult is desperate i would think :P Cult may be an hybrid of Gaians and Believers, but there is also Hive like characteristics....and blake did have the cult running as a police state...which cyber could keep or change.
political and military is what makes diplomacy like games :P but rather that the game don't get into internal politics, turmoil, etc... to much.
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Sprayber - Believers won't be completly stupid about how to fight mindworms, so they do know and have flamethrowers...standard equipment on Chiron i would think. and they do have some experience...especially if they are polluters... and have pass experiences fighting cult mindworms...which are bit harder to fight because they are controlled by humans. but believers don't have to many empath/trance troops to fight the cult and believers are not the best in fighting in fungus. So i see more of Spartans giving them new ideas of fighting mindworms/combat in fungus, etc... (during the Spartan's hive campaign, the army did thought the hive in fungus....where hive had some captured mindworms at the time and using fungus to ambush/etc... spartans who are using rovers) like using napalm dropped by needlejets or artilleried.
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02-08-2001 10:28
They make for a good history. You may want to be sure that the PKs involved were there without the officaial knowledge of the their government, but they could still be critized for not being able to control them. As far as copters go, if the Hive didn't give it to them, then the Spartains would have. 
But like I said, the Spartans would really rather be allied with someone who doesn't complain about how they conduct internal policies. 
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