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Bergen, Norway
Feb 2001
time: 06:14
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Originally posted by Natan
So in short, Lal claims that he, and not the council, is above all factions and the rightful ruler of Chiron, because an organization from a dead planet declared him so over a century ago. |
Not exactly. That is, Lal does not consider himself a ruler of very much at all, he merely does not consider the U.N. dead. I suppose that technically, you could say that it is the Council that IS the U.N. on Planet and that the Peacekeepers are "just another faction", equal in status to anybody else. The Peacekeepers, however, do not see things quite that way. They still see themselves as the U.N. Peacekeeping Forces, with the same authority as this body had - or was supposed to have - back on Earth. In a way, they DO consider themselves the only "legitimate" authority on Planet. You know, this whole thing WAS a U.N. mission all along. So, as long as the Council hasn't specifically instructed them NOT to do so, the Peacekeepers will go about enforcing the U.N. Charter any way they can, and on their own if necessary.
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Originally posted by kassiopeia
I always considered Lal's authority over others hazy, at minimum. First of all, Captain Garland was the commanding officer and leader of the mission, but I don't have evidence of Lal being the Second Commander. I always thought Ship Surgeon's were on a different branch in command hierarchy.
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Actually, Yang was the Executive Officer (XO) on board, which means that he was technically Second in Command of the whole Unity mission. And yes, Lal would be in a totally different branch of the hierarchy. (Precisely this is one of Yang's main objections to Lal being in the position he is. However, Yang was busy building his Hive and never wanted to command the Peacekeepers.) Lal did seem to have some kind of special status on the Unity Mission, but he wasn't actually in command of very much at all except the medical stuff.
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Secondly, like Natan pointed out, who cares about the UN? Lal's whole power is based on it, so naturally he cares, but really... I don't disagree with the human rights sections (so far  ) but does the Charter state that the "highest UN official" should take command?
And if this is so, then accepting the UN charter would basically mean accepting Lal as your leader. And I see no reason why an independent faction would agree to this. |
Lal's not into power. He's just into keeping his dream alive and doing what he believes is right and good for everybody. (-Except maybe a few criminals who should never have been trusted with power in the first place!)
As for the U.N. Charter, it says nothing about who you leader should be. It is simply a set of rules, sort of like a Code of Conduct, governing how the U.N. should act, how individual leaders and governments should act, and how people in general should be treating each other. So, there is precisely nothing in there that places Lal in charge of anything at all, but there IS justification for him to slap your fingers when you break the rules...
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Guardian
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Bergen, Norway
Feb 2001
time: 06:14
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Originally posted by Sprayber
I'm away for two days defending my country and a flurry of activity takes place. Where to start?
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Defending your country? Like, National Guard? Me too! (In Norway, that is...  )
Was supposed to have all my stuff at home so I can move out on short notice, kind of like the Minutemen of the American Revolution. Wife found out that they were gonna give me a rifle to take home and ammo for it too  , and... well, she threw a BIG fit about not having weapons in the house. So... I had to write a letter to my unit and beg them to please not send a weapon home with me. Want to know what happened? They gave me a bigger gun! So, all of a sudden, I was a machine gunner... Reason: you don't take a machine gun home with you, even if you ARE a National Guard. So, it solved my problem on the home front, but now I have to drag that big dog around with me every time I'm in the field... (It weighs almost 30 pounds - about 13 kg - and that's not including any ammo... )
Anyway, enough of that...
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Sparta will continue to walk the fine line that it has walked for 17 years. I've been reading up on the Pelopnnesian War. Sparta's advice would be that the PKs give up on the past.  j/k |
-And just what was that supposed to mean, eh? Do you think we'd still hold a grudge? Now, where would you get that idea from??!?
Nah... seriously, the Peacekeepers (even the "pro-war" ones) are no longer seeking revenge, but we still don't trust you Spartans very much...
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Sprayber
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Dixie
Oct 2000
time: 23:14
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Originally posted by Guardian
Defending your country? Like, National Guard? Me too! (In Norway, that is... )
Was supposed to have all my stuff at home so I can move out on short notice, kind of like the Minutemen of the American Revolution. Wife found out that they were gonna give me a rifle to take home and ammo for it too , and... well, she threw a BIG fit about not having weapons in the house. So... I had to write a letter to my unit and beg them to please not send a weapon home with me. Want to know what happened? They gave me a bigger gun! So, all of a sudden, I was a machine gunner... Reason: you don't take a machine gun home with you, even if you ARE a National Guard. So, it solved my problem on the home front, but now I have to drag that big dog around with me every time I'm in the field... (It weighs almost 30 pounds - about 13 kg - and that's not including any ammo... )
Anyway, enough of that... |
Yeah I'm in the National Guard. That's why I love the Spartan Militia so much. In April, We will be going to Germany for a month of training. But we keep our weapons at the armory. Of course we would have a little more warning than you guys would.
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of Lists
Jul 2000
time: 05:14
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Originally posted by Mr. President
I get the impression I'm not a very popular Planetary Governor.
If I understand the situation correctly, Lal and Roze, and possibly Deirdre as well, will be gunning for Morgan at the next Council. I do not yet know whether he can rely on Yang and Santiago's votes; I am almost certain Miriam will either abstain or vote for another candidate. (Are people allowed to abstain?) So Cha Dawn and Domai could become very important. In the case of Dawn, economic assistance will certainly come into the equation. For Domai, Morgan Industries could help provide a market for his industrial power, either directly or through our position as Governor (which we have a good chance of retaining if Domai votes for us  ). |
For Morgan for Planetary Gov.
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University
Hive?
Spartans (helped them, not a lot during the last war)
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Lal
Deidre
Cyborgs
Unknown
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Free Drones (for morgan if trade)
Believers (For morgan if he supports them, but they really don't like his materialistic influences)
Cult of Planet (for Morgan if they support him, but they really don't like his pollution)
(People are allowed to abstain)
For the techs, just copy the techs another faction has, make sure that you have 3-5 less than the Cyborgs and University. Then choose which ones you want to replace some of them. There was a formula (designed by me) but we have elected to ignore it.
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Guardian
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Bergen, Norway
Feb 2001
time: 06:14
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Originally posted by Sprayber
Guardian--Sparta will be your friend if you want. we can send advisors to the PK island and teach you guys the art of war.
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Are you serious?
Hmmm... well, it IS an interesting idea, although perhaps a little premature at this point. I guess Kessel and/or Santiago could start preparing the ground though, if this is what they want. People like Braddock take a while to convince, but they may come around eventually. As for advisors... well, we could send advisors too. -But perhaps you don't really need to learn how to fight Spartans...
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Originally posted by Natan
The Hive will be behind Morgan; even though Yang would like to be governor himself, he will not tolerate Lal as governor. The Hive wants to maintain its alliance with Sparta and to get new allies against the Chiron alliance, and it also wants to completely discredit Lal and the PKs. Basically, Yang feels threatened by the Chiron alliance and wants to smash it, or at least create an effective counter-alliance. Finally, he really doesn't like the Drones. |
Lal, of course, is going to run for governor again. The Peacekeepers will also be doing some fancy diplomatic footwork in order to keep their allies and defend their position as Peacekeepers. Also, will put a lot of resources up against anyone trying to discredit them, so it won't be an easy job. And the thing about feeling threatened is a rather mutual experience; Peacekeepers feel threatened by Yang and will do what they can to keep him at bay. Finally, the Peacekeepers will be likely to support the Drones.
In short: This does not bode well for peace and stability, but makes for an interesting game!
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Guardian
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Bergen, Norway
Feb 2001
time: 06:14
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Okay, I finally got my history up to date. Please check out the "PK History Volume 2" in the History an Summary thread and let me know what you think... (Yeah, I wrote A LOT again...  )
By the way, I altered the events on the Western Continent a little... It seems the Peacekeepers were really more or less all over the place over there, not just on/around the Gaian border. Also added a naval task force and marines making an amphibious landing...
As matters stand right now, it looks like our relationship to other factions will be something along these lines...
Spartans: Well, I guess it really didn't take a lot, but things are A LOT better than they were 20 years ago! We still have opposing interests and are still kind of watchful towards each other, but nowadays, a Spartan and a PK might actually meet up and have a talk, and then both go home afterwards. 20 years ago, any and all such meetings would have taken place on a very strict "kill or be killed" basis.
Hive: Uh, oh! Better watch out here... They do NOT like us and we do NOT like them. We also do NOT feel comfortable living so near each other. (i.e. on the same planet...) From the PK side, we're currently trying to ease the tensions a little, but we will only bend so far...
Pirates: Relations are still fairly cordial between us, although there have been a few minor "bumping" incidents where we've both tried to assert naval dominance in the same area at the same time. The U.N. Navy is still dwarfed by the Pirates and we're not going to try to compete with them, but we do reserve the right to send our navy wherever we think it needs to be.
Data Angels: They're still our friends, but maybe not quite as close as we were starting to get in 2183??
I don't know about this really. What do you say Argo?? (The Peacekeepers will certainly try to stay friendly with you.)
Cyborgs: Things looked bad for a while. Now they look a little better again. We'll see if it lasts...
Gaians: I believe they may be a little annoyed with us after the recent pushing and shoving over on the Western Continent, but I hope we're still on friendly terms...  (We're currently trying to cool things down and repair any damage done...)
Believers: Not doing too great with you guys, are we? Oh, poor little Believer, was the big nasty Peacekeeper mean to you when he got angry? Well, the cute, nice little Peacekeeper is back now and she will try to set things right for you all. -But then you'll have to talk to her, let her in and show her what your problems are, etc...
Cult: I'm sorry, but we're gonna have to act neutral here. The nice, cute little peacekeeper will stay with you indefinitely, but the big nasty Peacekeeper can't protect you if you're bad...
Morgan: You greedy little bastard! You'd better watch yourself, cause we are! (watching you, that is...  ) Any more dirty tricks from you might make us very ANGRY!!!!!    
-but of course, if you do behave, we will be interested in trading with you...
University: Hey! What are you doing? Hey! Be careful with that thing! Hello! We're talking to you! We said watch i... OH NOOOOOO!!!! Now look what you've done! You'd better be more careful next time or we'll have to get mad at you too! -And you'd d@mned well better not test any of that sh*t on people!!!!!!
Drones: We hear your nasty uncle Yang is still after you...
Let us know if you need anything, okay?
Oh, and by the way, it WOULD be nice if your industry got a little cleaner. We could help you out with the technology...
Okay, I think that's about it for now...
Once again, feel free to let me know if you have other ideas.
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Guardian
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Bergen, Norway
Feb 2001
time: 06:14
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Originally posted by kassiopeia
How are the votes per faction calculated? How does one define a factions population and it's growth?
(Let it be stated, that without contraception and abortion, the Believers should have a nice population, even though they don't have Growth bonuses in the game)
It's just that I don't think have seen these in the rules section. |
Basically, we have to figure this stuff out every time we have an election, and since we're supposed to take game developments into account, I guess we really don't have any set rules on how to do it. Last time, LordLMP just sort of decided how many votes each faction should have. He explained how he had figured it out and it made sense, so we just went with it. I don't know how he plans to do it this time, but probably something similar.
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Originally posted by kassiopeia
Keep it for the game, Guardian. But I'll just say that Miriam is not on an apologetic mood |
Big surprise there... 
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Originally posted by Argonaut
WE certainly wouldn't like it if you started stomping all around Angel territory, poking your nose in our business. |
Then don't start going on crusades and shooting at everything that moves. (At that point, it stops being your business...)
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Originally posted by Sprayber
Lal-Well, even though she gets very annoyed at hearing the same old stuff over and over again. And considering it would annoy our ally the Hive, there would have to be major concessions to get a Santiago vote.
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Let's see... last time I checked my PK - Spartan dictionary, I believe something like this translated into something like "Don't even DREAM about it!"
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