20-07-2001 08:44									#1
	2001 Players Tourney, Round 1, Group A: BRAVELAKER (HOST), CARNIDE, CYBERSHY, NAPPY Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Group A is revised. Bravelaker, Carnide, Cybershy, and Nappy shall compete. Bravelaker has the map to be used.

If there are any scheduling difficulties, please let me know.

	20-07-2001 13:36									#2
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There are 4 time-periods carnide_ and me are available at the same moment. If Bravelaker and Nappy can chose as much as possible periods out of the 4 choses we can start asap.

If you guys chose A, please do it quickly so we can start today.

A. Friday 23:00 GMT - 03:00 GMT
B. monday: 1200 - 1500 EST
C. thuesday: 1200 - 1500 EST
D. wednesday: 0200 - 0500 EST

	21-07-2001 11:58									#3
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Here are my times of availability: Mon. 7:30pm PDT, Tues. 6:30pm PDT, Wed. 4pm PDT, Thur. 7pm PDT.,Sat. 6pm PDT, Sun. 7am PDT-1pm PDT

	23-07-2001 13:38									#4
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	23-07-2001 13:58									#5
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Nap..... PDT = Pacific ??
Why didn't you just chose one of the 4 options ?

Converted possible playtimes Nap Bonaparte
E. Tues. 03:30 GMT (Mon 22:30 EST) (Mon 19:30 PDT)
F. Wed. 02:30 GMT (Tues 21:30 EST) (Tues 18:30 PDT)
G. Thur. 00:00 GMT (Wed 19:00 EST) (Wed 16:00 PDT)
H. Fri. 03:00 GMT (Thur 22:00 EST) (Fri 19:00 PDT)
I. Sun. 02:00 GMT (Fri 21:00 EST) (Sun 18:00 PDT)
J. Sun. 15:00 -21:00 GMT (Sun 10:00 - 16:00 EST) (Sun 07:00 - 11:00 PDT)

Seems like all these times fall outside the 4 options _carnide and I are available together

(GMT = PDT + 8 = EST + 5) (18:00 GMT = 10:00 PDT = 13:00 EST)
(PDT = GMT - 8 = EST - 3)
(EST = GMT - 5 = PDT +3)

the 4 options _carnide and I could play translated in GMT, PDT and EST:

A. Friday 18:00 - 22:00 EST (15:00 - 19:00 PDT) (23:00 - 03:00 GMT)
B. monday: 12:00 - 15:00 EST (09:00 - 12:00 PDT) (20:00 - 23:00 GMT)
C. thuesday: 12:00 - 15:00 EST (09:00 - 12:00 PDT) (20:00 - 23:00 GMT)
D. wednesday: 02:00 - 05:00 EST (Tue 23:00 - 02:00 PDT) (07:00 - 10:00 GMT)

	23-07-2001 14:04									#6
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Nap, you really can't play any of the 4 suggested times _carnide and I suggested ?

If I have to pick one of Nap's times I can only chose H.
In fact all your options are in the middle of the european night
Friday night I can play though.......

Bravelaker, can you PLEASE respond ?

Cavebear, I leave for vacation in 9 days.
Seems like I will drop out then, while I've done my very best to get it organized
I don't think it's fair if I'll get out of vacation while I've done 3 weeks long my very best to get it organized.....

How are the other games going ?
Did they already start ?

Otherwise you should pherhaps try it different, by letting everyone first post their possible playtimes and then create the teams based on these playtimes......

_carnide, Nap and Bravelaker,

please vote for options A B C D or H

	23-07-2001 19:06									#7
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Cybershy....your options A,B, and C are right in the middle of my workday. Option D is too late at night. Because of the variation in time zones, I would think that a Sat. or Sun game would be best. I played against Carnide in the last tourny and it wasnt that difficult to get together.

	23-07-2001 19:51									#8
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I'm not at home saturday and sunday.
pherhaps I'll be able to play next saturday though, but I'm not sure yet.

that would be between 08:00 and 16:00 GMT, but I'm not sure yet.

	24-07-2001 13:27									#9
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c'mon, we MUST have this game start asap !
all post your possible playtimes, I'll try to find a suitable time then. (and convert them in 3 timezones)

	25-07-2001 02:16									#10
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I vote for option H

	26-07-2001 04:51									#11
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Even trying to collect everything in a spreadsheet is too complicated as it stands now. Some of the times are given in GMT, some in local Standard time, some in local Daylight Savings time, and some have starting but not ending times.

Please, each player, without discussion, just post your available playing times by day (of starting time) and in GMT. I'll make up a table to compare them.

For example:

Monday - None
Tuesday - GMT 11 pm to GMT 2 am Wednesday
Wednesday - GMT 11 pm to GMT 2 am Thursday
Thursday - None
Friday - GMT 10 pm to GMT 4 am Saturday
Saturday - GMT 6 pm to 10 pm
Sunday - GMT 2 pm to 6 pm

US Eastern Daylight Savings Time is GMT-5, US Pacific Daylight Savings Time is GMT-8. I do not know whether Cybershy and Carnide are on Daylight Savings Time in their countries, but the Apolyton Clock is GMT-5 (Eastern Daylight Time) if that helps.

We'll work this out yet...

	26-07-2001 09:20									#12
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I can be available Sat. 200 GMT(Fri. 6pm PDT) for up to 6 hours and Sun 1500 GMT(7am PDT) for 6 hours.

	26-07-2001 13:04									#13
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I've already made them comparable cavebear
thanks though.

seems like carnide_ and Nap can play saturday 02:00 GMT (Fri 21:00 EST) (Fri 18:00 PDT)

that's 03:00 am to me, but I'll wake up for the matter of it in this case. Bravelaker, can you show up then ?

	27-07-2001 19:55									#14
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So we need to hear from Bravelaker(esp. since he is the host). Are we starting the game within the next 24 hours....ie Sat 200 GMT=Fri. 1800 PDT or are we starting next weekend?

	27-07-2001 23:19									#15
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i can be there any night but i admit im having trouble reading the gmt times i have never used them but name the time i can show

	27-07-2001 23:35									#16
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quote: i admit im having trouble reading the gmt times

that's why I've included EST and PDT times as well:

quote: 02:00 GMT (Fri 21:00 EST) (Fri 18:00 PDT)

let's start this night then, it's my last change before I leave for vacation. I'll wake up at 3 am and start playing. I'm really insane

	28-07-2001 04:08									#17
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Actually that should be "EDT" (Eastern Daylight Time), not "EST". 0200 GMT is 2100 EDT is 9 pm EDT. I only mention that because there are a few small areas that stay on Standard Time and that would be 1 hour earlier.

	29-07-2001 04:16									#18
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guys im sorry the game didnt start when it was suppose to, my kid spilled a big glass of tea on the keyboard by the time it was done frying circuits i couldnt type a complete word. I am now back in business and ready to do this name your time

	11-08-2001 05:21									#19
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What's happening here???

	12-08-2001 06:42									#20
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Hey Deity...we all got together to get this game started and the host(Bravelaker) had a problem with his computer so we couldnt play. Then Cybershy went on vacation for a month. We hope to try this again when Cybershy gets back around Aug. 24th. By the time we finish this game Civ 3 will be out.

	12-08-2001 07:05									#21
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In the meantime, I suggest just waiting until Cybershy returns. The delay won't really cause any problems.

	03-09-2001 05:24									#22
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Lets try to get this game going.

	03-09-2001 09:06									#23
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Should be back by now. I expect the game will start or continue now.

	04-09-2001 07:14									#24
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correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't this the game i was dropped from because of my limited availability?

seems a little ironic...

	05-09-2001 02:27									#25
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Yes, it is a bit ironic, but there is a difference between a very limited availablity while one is here vs a vacation for someone who had better be more available once returned.

The first seemed permanent, while the second was temporary.

	11-09-2001 17:32									#26
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I'm back.
Got some tropical desease that prevented me for playing at night, but I guess I can play again.

all tell your possible playtimes.

	12-09-2001 08:25									#27
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Hey. Welcome back.
This week I can play almost anytime.
Lets start!!

	13-09-2001 05:52									#28
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Welcome back Cybershy. Unfortunately, while I was available to play in June July and August, my schedule precludes me from starting any new games for a while. Bachelor party in Las Vegas this weekend, getting married 2 weeks after that and then honeymoon in Maui. Hopefully you can find a replacement. I will see all of you back here in Apolyton when Civ3 comes out.

Good luck in the tournament....

	16-09-2001 23:16									#29
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Good luck Nappy.
. . .
Now, about this game. Who is still in?

	16-09-2001 23:44									#30
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Someone please send me the most recent game file. I want to look at all the positions to decide whether the fairest thing is to replace Nappy or remove his Civ and adjust the map for 3 players.

If someone has a recommendation for a replacement, I'm open to the idea.