23-07-2001 03:57									#1
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Boann, Chris62, and Rasputin have expressed definite interest.
Any others?

I'm assuming it will need to be a weekend U.S. daytime game.

	23-07-2001 04:11									#2
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Sure Sloww, if you and Bo are there, I'm in.

Might be fun to see if Ras can talk about anything else besides PCR.

	23-07-2001 04:26									#3
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If I can fit it in around the touney game I would like to play, I always get beat to the bloody wonders anyway.

	23-07-2001 05:33									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 Sure Sloww, if you and Bo are there, I'm in. Might be fun to see if Ras can talk about anything else besides PCR.

Hmmmmm , do I take that as insult or not ???

Might be interesting to see whther Chris can talk about anything elses except why some one didnt deserve t obe banned

	23-07-2001 05:39									#5
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oh saturday mornings will suit me better or even sunday morning, however due to my shift committments there may be weekends where i can not play, if this is not acceptable to the rest to wait a week for me to play, i gladdly forfeit my spot now....

	23-07-2001 08:06									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Rasputin Hmmmmm , do I take that as insult or not ???

No insult intened Ras, i find your battle with the powers that be quite interesting.

quote: Might be interesting to see whther Chris can talk about anything elses except why some one didnt deserve t obe banned

^Well, we might talk about the virtues of the spell check.
Actually my pet cause is the elimination of titles and post counts, but that is irrelevent to the topic at hand.

I think we can work something out time wise as far as Hydey and Ras are concerned, but as always, Sloww, the SO has final say when it comes to weekends!

	23-07-2001 08:27									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 No insult intened Ras, i find your battle with the powers that be quite interesting.

no battle at all, cant fight an immovable object... When you own the bat and ball its your game !!

quote: ^Well, we might talk about the virtues of the spell check.

didnt know there was one!!!

quote: Actually my pet cause is the elimination of titles and post counts, but that is irrelevent to the topic at hand.

Gets my vote too, would make it easier to post everywhere because no one could accuse you of spamming to get a title.1!!!

quote: I think we can work something out time wise as far as Hydey and Ras are concerned, but as always, Sloww, the SO has final say when it comes to weekends!

thanks for trying to accomodate us poor Aussies !!!

	23-07-2001 09:50									#8
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I'm down.

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I'm down.

	23-07-2001 10:16									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Dylan Baker I'm down.

Well cheer up its not that bad...

how do we see this game , alliances allowed, city bribing unit bribing?? city swapping, ship chainiinh , so many rules to figure out

	23-07-2001 10:23									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Dylan Baker I'm down.

With this infernal ISE monster, it almost is that bad.

I'm a rookie as these sorts of things. I'll play whatever you guys think.

	23-07-2001 10:30									#12
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As far as swapping, I'd like to see no swapping of anything.
Dip use? No city bribe?
If you can chain, go for it I guess.
Alliances? I would suggest none, as I have 2 Tribe members in game.
With a full game, what size map?

So right now we have:

Slowwhand
Boann
Chris62
Rasputin
Hydey
Dylan

Right?

	23-07-2001 10:37									#13
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand As far as swapping, I'd like to see no swapping of anything.

does that inlcude no ceding of terrotory during peace negotiations??

quote: Dip use? No city bribe?

so unit bribe ok ?

quote: If you can chain, go for it I guess.

I dont know how its done, so would prefer ot not done by any ..

quote: Alliances? I would suggest none, as I have 2 Tribe members in game.

do you never ally against tribe members even when its not a tribe game ?

quote: With a full game, what size map?

i always like larger maps, but seems most prefer med maps nowadays...

quote: So right now we have: Slowwhand Boann Chris62 Rasputin Hydey Dylan Right?

good little combination

	23-07-2001 10:45									#14
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That would mean unit bribe ok, as well as tech theft and sabatouge.

So ok no chaining.

If you want to have alliances, that's surely fine; but know that Tribes is like brain washing. We consider ourselves family in most situations.

Large map sounds good.

	23-07-2001 11:16									#15
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand but know that Tribes is like brain washing. We consider ourselves family in most situations.

hmmm perhaps we shouldnt allow tribe members to play in same game then

	23-07-2001 20:42									#16
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Slowwhand, Boann, and myself will play to win if you guys want a free-for-all.

If you want alliances before the game starts, then tuatha will ally, but be warned, they are part of my family, and I will not betray them, ever.

Whatever you guys decide is fine along those lines.

	23-07-2001 20:48									#17
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hey sloww - I expressed interest the first time you posted this idea. Please count mein if you have room

	23-07-2001 21:16									#18
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And Deity Dude makes 7.

You all talk amongst yourselves.
I'm not leaving anyone out just because they're unfortunate enough to be part of my Tribe.


First met, allies.
No alliances.
Just decide.

	23-07-2001 22:18									#19
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If one of you 7 can't play, and if the game is on Sundays, I'd like to get in on this game... I'm very flexible on Sunday hours.

	23-07-2001 22:22									#20
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Odds are at least one of the Aussies won't show.
Nothing against Aussies, sometimes timing is hell.

	23-07-2001 22:35									#21
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand And Deity Dude makes 7.

Thanks Sloww

quote: First met, allies. No alliances. Just decide.

I vote no alliances (if we're voting)

	24-07-2001 00:46									#22
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To whatever degree I have a say in this game yet, and assuming this is the No-Wonder (except for Space Flight) Game I wanted to get into, I have some suggestions.

When there is one major game change ("No-Wonder but SS" in this case), it is good to keep other changes to a minimum. After all, the focus in this one is the No-Wonder situation. I think we should try to avoid other complicating factors.

So:

No city or unit bribing
No city or unit trading
No caravan trading
No formal permanent ("strategic" alliances through the diplomacy options
No ship chaining

I have a question concerning nuclear power for SS. Doesn't that require the Manhattan Project? Or are we doing without fusion-powered SS? If so, will Nukes be forbidden as weapons? I hope so, but can go either way.

A last concern, since Chris mentioned he could not ever betray a fellow Tuathan...

I feel the same about my fellow OWL, Suas, in Tribe games, but we agree to suspend that in non-Tribe games or when formal teamwork is not part of the central structure of the game. I personally do not find it difficult to compartmentalize my loyalties from one situation to the other, but I am wondering if the same exists for you (very honorable I hasten to add) Tuathans.
I would be somewhat inclined to ally with Suas if he were a natural ally anyway, but I woud also be willing to try and kill him if my requirements demanded it. There is room between a "free-for-all" requirement and logical "in-game" cooperation between civs that meet by happenstance.

If an opportunity to cooperate with Boann or Slow or Chris's Civs, logically as the game presents itself, will that be likely, or will Tribe loyalty overcome this individual game?

I trust Tuathans more than any Tribe I know, but I thought I should raise this (slight) concern because of Chris's statement.

This was difficult to phrase. I didn't want to say too much, and I didn't want to say too little. My desire is for a good game, and I trust any game that Slowwhand and Boann are in...

	24-07-2001 03:18									#23
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It's to be a One Wonder, not No Wonder.

It can include space, or not.
If it is to include space, that will be an additional Wonder.

I also agree there should be no swapping or chaining.

As far as alliances, it would probably be best to not.

And Cavebear, I take your statement of trust as one of the greatest compliments possible.
My thanks.

	24-07-2001 04:09									#24
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Well, guess I wasn't clear enough. If we go no alliances, whatever tribe I play will play to win, against all comers, including Sloww and Bo, and they would happily reduce me to third world status in a heartbeat.

What I was referring to by no betrayal, is that if we had gone for pre-game alliances, we would have stuck together.

Since that's not the case here, I will ally as not with whomever suits the purpose of the civ I lead.

Clear enough now?

	24-07-2001 08:39									#25
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Cavebear, take my place.

I no longer have a desire to participate in this game, or in the MP field.

Thank you.

	24-07-2001 16:48									#26
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand It's to be a One Wonder, not No Wonder. It can include space, or not. If it is to include space, that will be an additional Wonder.

which wonder were you going to include if not space.... I was only interested in a space only wonder , no other wonders...

quote: As far as alliances, it would probably be best to not.

Due to the honourable make up of the players here, and due to the fact i think civ 2 is about allainces as much as any thing else, I find i can not continue with this game, i wouldnt want to see the Tribe members here all gang up on me jsut because i not part of their tribe in this non-tribe game. Thanks for letting us know to watch out for this in all games we play with your tribe involved

	24-07-2001 17:47									#27
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ras
we are not a gang bang kind of tribe.
we do play a lot of games as indiviuals
if we say we will not ally and will play as individuals
you can belive that.

we enjoy very much playing as a tribe
but we go with whatever the game is set up like.
slow and i war against each other often
he enjoys whuping up on me whenever possible


you just let us know what kind of game you prefer and
im sure we can have a fun game with all involved

	24-07-2001 17:50									#28
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Ras, improve your reading comprehension skills.

The vote and the discussion has been 1 Wonder per player.
Not a race by all to see who gets first and only Wonder allowed in game, which would be stupid.
I didn't say Tribe members would unite, I merely suggested no alliances.
It's not like every game has alliances anyway.


Any that don't want to play, don't play.

	24-07-2001 17:50									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 Cavebear, take my place. I no longer have a desire to participate in this game, or in the MP field. Thank you.

chris, my friend,
i hope after you sleep on this thought that you change your mind.

	24-07-2001 18:02									#30
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Ras, improve your reading comprehension skills. The vote and the discussion has been 1 Wonder per player.

never say the per player part Sloww... wil lgo back and check that now, i have never been interested in a one per player one... its obvious cavebear got the same impression i di that it is a one wonder total game.

quote: Not a race by all to see who gets first and only Wonder allowed in game, which would be stupid.

actually i feel all wonders are stupid !!!! Unreal !!! and make game too easy for those get them first !!!

quote: I didn't say Tribe members would unite, I merely suggested no alliances.

and as i said, i love alliances i feel they ar epart of the game, and as you say that if any alliances occur the Tribe will fight toghether there is no point playing in a game with three tribe members...

quote: It's not like every game has alliances anyway.

all my games do , but that is just me, and is another reason i am out of this one, sorry, but i ma sure you will get lots to replace me, have fun