26-07-2001 04:52									#61
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You're misinformed, Eyes. I didn't play a game with Maximus last night.
I haven't seen Maximus lately.

And quit complaining. You know you like the press.

	26-07-2001 05:32									#62
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OK, I've read all the posts to this point...

Yes,manipulating your hardware to make multiple irrigations turns seems to me to be cheating. I don't see a lot of wiggle room in doing that and staying honest. Anything that purposefully defeats the software is not honest.

The explorer thing is entirely different. Its an inspired recognition of the capabilities of a specific unit. Eyes merely saw that the explorer movement in a 2x2x game could be really awesome, so he figured out the likeliest way to get one as early as possible. That's not cheating. I didn't occur to me, but that's not his fault.

Has no one ever used a helicopter just to explore?

	26-07-2001 05:45									#63
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Has no one ever used a helicopter just to explore?

Nah... nukes and cruise missiles work much better for that purpose

	26-07-2001 05:51									#64
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In less than 24 hours 63 posts and over 300 views. Not bad.

	26-07-2001 06:06									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Nah... nukes and cruise missiles work much better for that purpose

Helicopter was just an example for the purpose of analogy. I've used nukes and missles too. But I wanted something that could actually occupy a city and not just blow up.

	26-07-2001 06:12									#66
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quote: Originally posted by EyesOfNight In less than 24 hours 63 posts and over 300 views. Not bad.

I'm not surprised at all. When you deliberately post to admit cheating, and then make sure to keep the pot stirred with some well-timed insults, it is sort of like putting a bug-zapper in a swamp and then pretending surprise at all the dead insects.

LOL!

	26-07-2001 06:47									#67
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Yes, it doesn't take much for the scavangers to start circling.

You might as well admit it like I do. Eyes is great entertainment.

This place can get dull when he's not around.

300 huh, it will be double in the morning.

Thanks, as always Eyes.

Rich

Most people don't bother taking 20 minutes to stare at the opening position and the demos to find out where their opponents are. They use that time to pop a save into a nearby computer and just look. (which is why we avoid playing with people that take 10 minutes on the opening turn, and you know who you are)

	26-07-2001 07:57									#68
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quote: In less than 24 hours 63 posts and over 300 views. Not bad.

When the mods start spamming a thread, we quickly follow

	26-07-2001 09:32									#69
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First of all I don't take 10min to move in the first turn. I doubt you could notice any amount of difference. Arii is just being a moron for which he will get flamed for the rest of his life. I can't help it he just plain sucks at this game.

	26-07-2001 09:51									#70
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let me get this straight eyes, you remember every game you play. you remember settings, civs and tech routes....

explain to me who the f*ck you were talking to "the other night" about slowwhand quitting because i bribed his city. i haven't played a MP game in a month, and haven't played sloww in almost a year. you are so full of yourself, you actually believe your own lies.

yes, i have sent you files in the past, to look at to determine cheating, no big deal. i remember one time i sent you saves of a game with Kuja, and your response, before even looking at the saves was "damn it, i'll drum him out of gameleague for cheating again". not an exact quote, i can look at my ICQ log to get the exact wording if you like.

you are the worst kind of cheater eyes, the kind that can cover his/her tracks.

edited rules.txt====unproveable
custom map in tribe game=====unproveable
mapping the board====unproveable
triangulating positions=====unproveable

among other cheats that haven't been "publicized"

one question still remains eyes.....

who is/was Kuja?

EDITED FOR BAD GRAMMER DUE TO HASTE AND BEING PISSED AT DORKBOY.

	26-07-2001 10:43									#71
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God you people are trusting souls - in one game I watched his horse make a beeline for my capital from about 3 or 4 turns out.

It was uncanny

	26-07-2001 10:46									#72
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Thank you, Maximus.
I have nothing more to say on the subject.

It's established A.H.
He's a cheat, but you aren't supposed to talk about it.

	26-07-2001 10:49									#73
	Eyes has already admitted cheating Suffering from ads?

And the thread is archived.

That makes ALL his boasting vain.

	26-07-2001 13:48									#74
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quote: Originally posted by EyesOfNight I don't quit games. .

Oh you muast forget the game where you quit on me when barb activity was too much for your strategy.. but i ma sure you will have some flaming response and justifiable response to that too !!!!!

saved turns every turn is best wat to catch a cheat... if sometihng occurs that seems strange or cant be replicated on your computer afterwards it is most lilkely a cheat

	26-07-2001 21:49									#75
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I thought it was you, maybe not. Somebody sent me a really long message saying "here's a little tidbit for you". I wasn't really paying attention to it and they're not on my list so I don't have the message history. And actually you sent me saves of hatchett that you thought he was cheating. Pretty funny considering his record and all.

"edited rules.txt====unproveable
custom map in tribe game=====unproveable
mapping the board====unproveable
triangulating positions=====unproveable "

Rules is proveable moron. Custom map is not even cheating you stupid ****. Mapping the board? What the hell is that? Triangulating positions? By that do you mean using demographics and what city you're near? Because that's not cheating either you stupid ****. Lets see here....Sloww is an ex drug user and General Maximus is a carpenter who is now unemployed. I can see I'm dealing with the top level of society here. Must be something about Tuathaa, it attracts lower IQ's.

	26-07-2001 21:52									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Oh.. and Deity Dude... the reason I developed the list was to know how people were abusing the rules, so we could establish a set of common guidelines for our group to follow when we play I'm very comfortable now with the normal people I play with.

That was my point exactly. That there are lots of legitimate reasons for wanting to know and understand the various cheats/loopholes. And that just because someone is knowledgable about cheating methods - it doesn't mean they use them. I was using you as an example of this because from what I can tell your reputation is spotless yet you wrote an extensive paper on it. I thought that was clear but if you took it another way I apologize.

	26-07-2001 22:05									#77
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Eyes,
Tacky, tacky.
Carpentry is a skill, and unemployed is bad luck.



Deitydude, spotless rep? Ahem, no.
One day maybe, but not up to and including today.

	26-07-2001 22:08									#78
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"Deitydude, spotless rep? Ahem, no.
One day maybe, but not up to and including today."

He was talking about Ming you moron. And anything with me is fair game sloww, you should have learned that by now. Next time don't bleed your heart to the wolf unless you're sure he's tame. Since you don't seem to respond to my usual intelligent comments, it appears I'm going to have to continue to get more personal. I can take it, can you? HAHAHA!!!!

	26-07-2001 22:15									#79
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Deitydude, spotless rep? Ahem, no. One day maybe, but not up to and including today.

I was referring to Ming as the person with the spotless rep. My point was that knowledge of cheating doesn't convict you of being a cheater and that there should be more proof than that. Neither does having an explorer taking an unguarded capital in 3450b.c. Thats all I was trying to say.

Now I wished I never said anything.

Its bad enough defending Eyes but now everyone misunderstood what I said.

	26-07-2001 22:21									#80
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Well only slowwmind misunderstood you and he is well...slow. You have to understand, it's not entirely his fault.

78 posts and well over 400 views. Keep up the good work kids.

	26-07-2001 22:35									#81
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quote: Originally posted by EyesOfNight it appears I'm going to have to continue to get more personal. I can take it, can you? HAHAHA!!!!

Eyes I think your comments about others personal issues is totally inappropriate and about the lowest thing I have ever seen on this board. I have seen alot of trash talk etc but that was a new level. I hope Ming removes them

	26-07-2001 23:14									#82
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Eyes, you're pathetic, you are probably a very good civ player regardless of wether you cheat or not, but the attacks you're making are just pathetic.

	26-07-2001 23:18									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Deity Dude I was using you as an example of this because from what I can tell your reputation is spotless yet you wrote an extensive paper on it. I thought that was clear but if you took it another way I apologize.

No need to apologize... I knew exactly what you were trying to say, so thanks for the compliment.
I just was giving my reasons for wanting to compile such a list.
Plus, with any kind of luck, the designers of CivIII read it (they claimed they liked it) and will try to keep many of them from happening in CivIII.

	27-07-2001 02:01									#84
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Damnit... I should've known. Hey cats, check this out:

http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg

Cheers

	27-07-2001 02:05									#85
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HAHAHA!! That's a good one zylka, got anymore?

	27-07-2001 02:43									#86
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since when am i an unemployed carpenter? Moker is a carpenter, i am not.

i am an ASE certified a/c and electrical systems diesel mechanic. i finished my training recently and now have more work than i can really handle.

back on topic idiot, you claim to know everything and everyone, and everything about everyone. now your not sure who you were talking to? the saves of hatchett showed no huts in the area, and a settler and a new city at 3950bc, with a one settler start. i wasn't aware of the effect of lag on saves.

you really talk out your ass sometimes, but i think you just want to see how much **** you can stir up here.

and a custom map is cheating if your opponents don't know the specifics, kinda like the rules.txt editing. in itself, editing the rules isn't cheating, if you opponents know about it. how many times have you seen a game advertised on the zone with "dips cost 50".
the host editied his rules, and told everyone.

mapping the board is loading the map on another computer while playing...


you worst than dog****.

and who the hell is/was Kuja?

	27-07-2001 02:44									#87
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I don't quite follow your bleeding heart comment, which is fine.
Evidently it's in reponse to carpenter work and unemployment,
neither of which have I ever spoken with you on at any time.

As far as the spotless reputation, I said what I meant.

Tell more ways you cheat.
That's what the thread was to be about, right ?

	27-07-2001 03:23									#88
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I think a little chill is in order for everybody... While mild flaming can be expected as part of the normal chest thumping...
THIS HAS CROSSED THE LINE MANY TIMES...

Let's stop the personal attacks NOW! I'm starting to think that this is an OTF thread

	27-07-2001 03:40									#89
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Perhaps you should move it to Off topic as it has nothing to do with MP civ games and lots to do with who calls there Uncle Dad.


Some of you guys need to add a branch to your straight line family trees.

	27-07-2001 04:34									#90
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actually canyou move it to Civ 2 general Ming as this was cheating in SP not MP. !!!