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Trdi
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Slovenija
Jun 2001
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I'm more proud on our history that I would be as an American on American history. On a short history, based on killing, slavery and, today, endangering the whole planet. When will USA sign Kjoto(the only one remaining), children protection(just USA and Nigeria haven't signed it, I think), anti-biological weapon (again, only USA need biological weapons) and other treaties? Without these basic human concepts, USA are not in the civilized world even TODAY. Karantanija was more democratic than USA today and you can view on democracy from any angle you want. I was talking about CULTURE, my dearest friend. Americans don't have ANY culture at all, comparing to European countries, so I really don't understand what are they doing in Civilisation?
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LaRusso
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appendix of Europe
May 2001
time: 06:14
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Originally posted by Trdi
I'm more proud on our history that I would be as an American on American history. On a short history, based on killing, slavery and, today, endangering the whole planet. When will USA sign Kjoto(the only one remaining), children protection(just USA and Nigeria haven't signed it, I think), anti-biological weapon (again, only USA need biological weapons) and other treaties? Without these basic human concepts, USA are not in the civilized world even TODAY. Karantanija was more democratic than USA today and you can view on democracy from any angle you want. I was talking about CULTURE, my dearest friend. Americans don't have ANY culture at all, comparing to European countries, so I really don't understand what are they doing in Civilisation? |
hehe okay,
americans accuse me of american bashing, now you are trying to accuse me of glorifying america....
all that you said above is true, except for the bit about karantanijan democracy - karantanija was a feudal feifdom so we need not get into its democratic standards. i've said all i had about americans and how nice it would be to have them in the game as an english civil war fraction instead of a full civ. now since we both agree on that, stop selling me the remarkable history of slovenia  (actually 90% of the westerners still confuse you with slovakia)
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fittstim
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Stockholm, Sweden
Jul 2001
time: 06:14
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Originally posted by Anatolia
To tell the truth, though, I never choose nations with short histories to play in Civ games. It doesn't feel right. |
Well then what nations DO you play with. The oldest "American" city is St. Augustine which was founded in 1585. This gives America a "civilization" history of 416 years.
According to my reckoning, this is longer than the Aztecs, Incas, Zulus and Vikings were around.
Additionally, the USA was established in 1776 which means that it's been around longer than Germany (formed around 1880).
Babylonia, the Celts and Carthagenia all had "brief" periods of fame but they really didn't build or do much and are usually delegated to brief paragraphs in history texts. So they're out.
So your left with Rome, Egypt, Greece or Mongols - all of which haven't had an empire in many hundreds of years - or England, France, Spain or Russia - all decent but boring imperial powers - or India, China or Japan. Yawn.
Give America a break - they're the only country that exists that has managed to permeate ever spot on the earth thanks to McDonalds and Coke. So they're the perfect expansionist civ.
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I hate these nationality threads, but I feel obligated to jump in.
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short history, based on killing, |
The U.S. doesn't just go out and fight for no reason. It (usually) is there at the request of an ally or in response to a direct threat to either itself, an ally, or an underdefended nation.
Along with most of the world.
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endangering the whole planet. |
How is that? Our president might not be very bright and our other leaders make mistakes, but we're hardly endangering the entire planet. We're endangering ourselves at best.
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When will USA sign Kjoto(the only one remaining), children protection(just USA and Nigeria haven't signed it, I think), anti-biological weapon (again, only USA need biological weapons) and other treaties? |
I don't know when, or even if, but that's a part of democracy. Things like that are discussed for months, sometimes years.
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Without these basic human concepts, USA are not in the civilized world even TODAY. |
Right, but the U.S. does have a firm grasp of these concepts, whether it signs the treaties or not. The U.S. has always been against biological and chemical weapons and, to my knowledge, does not use them today.
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Karantanija was more democratic than USA today and you can view on democracy from any angle you want. |
Yeah, right. 
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Americans don't have ANY culture at all, comparing to European countries |
Just because it's different from the cultures in Europe doesn't mean there isn't any. Americans (some) like to be fat, eat junk food, and watch football (American football). This is as much a culture as anything in Europe.
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I really don't understand what are they doing in Civilisation? |
The U.S. has had the biggest impact on the world economy, and without it (to name one example) WWII would've gone on much longer, if it ended at all.
My last point: Don't talk bad about a country unless you live there (and have lived there long enough to really understand it)
Last edited by Sabre2th on 30-07-2001 at 23:01
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Sabre2th
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Originally posted by The Greek
HAHAHAHAA!!!!! Americans can be so arrogant! BRITAIN encompases England, Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland..not ENGLAND!!!! Oh my god... i cant believe how shortsighted some americans are... |
One person making an honest mistake makes all Americans arrogant? Maybe you're the one who's shortsighted. There's no reason to jump down his throat and insult all Americans (U.S.) just because he misspoke.
Also - I won't deny that Bush isn't the brightest man ever, but there have been many other world leaders (not necessarily from U.S.) who were worse.
You are obviously new to Apolyton, so I suggest you go read the FAQ and study the rules Mark and Dan have set.
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The Greek
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Birmingham/West Midlands/England
Apr 2000
time: 05:14
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Notice i said 'can be' and 'some'.
I feel completely justified in this, for almost all posts i have ever had trouble with were posted by americans. I have never seen any other race with such high, undeserved, opinons of themselves.
Sure, other arrogant/ignorant people exist, and certainly not all, (or anywhere near all) americans are like this, but it is just a conclusion i have come to that in general, americans have this problem...
And I dont think he misspoke 2 times. It is a clear case of ignorance. Have you ever seen a european saying North America, Canada and mexico make up the USA?
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The Greek
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Birmingham/West Midlands/England
Apr 2000
time: 05:14
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Originally posted by GP
Keep the faith. Anti-Americans are jealous! Down with the Aztecs!! |
There we go again.....
Sure, I totally agree. It must be jealousy. Everyone trully wishes to be american. After all, it is so mighty and powerfull and *cough* non hypocritical...it must be jealousy. Could not possibly be any of the other reasons mentiones in the threads above. After all, there is nothing wrong with great america. It must be those poor eastern european people who still live in mudhuts in some place called Paris or something who are so damn jealous of our jobs and financial wealth.
And to the guy above who said the british empire was dull?
And that the vikings were around for less than 400 years, and some other crap along those lines?... I think he is american too... same attitude to other races...How the hell can oneguy dismiss so many of the greatest races the world has seen?...
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30-07-2001 19:03
So you are a German speaking North-Italian? I hope you are not one of those who still think that one third of Slovenia belongs to Italy, like it was during the both wars?
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