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the 1 eyed fool
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what would be cool if u could make emps bombs like the end of
escape fomr l.a. but in stead u only bomb 1 play and it take out all tecnology they have but it would beway to unbalenced but it would be cool to shut off ALL THIER TANKS
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Laszlo
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Taipei, Taiwan
May 2000
time: 00:15
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EMPs actually pose a pretty significant threat to a country's national security, and would be a formidible weapon in a technologically advanced world. The nanosecond-long burst would short out all sensitive electronic devices, and if repeated, all electronics eventually fail.
This would mean no communication, no power grid, no radar, nuclear meltdowns, and crashed planes and cars (b/c of the embeded chips used so widely). It would not destroy everything, nor knock them back to the stone age, but would cause trillions of dollars of damage and take a ton of time to repair and recover from. In short, it could effectively bring an entire civilization to its knees, disabling it enough for a total takeover.
Near ground level nuclear explosions make very strong but short-ranged magnetic fields. But at high altitudes (20 miles+), the gamma rays have enough area of relatively thin air to reach spreads of 1000 miles or more (depending on detonation strength and alt.) before reacting with the EM field.
Some very expensive shielding has been devised to harden military equipment against EMPs, but the civilian devices and networks that actually run a civilization are totally vulnerable to this type of attack. Much more research is needed to find a cost effective shielding.
Very scary stuff.
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the 1 eyed fool
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atleast some one agree's with me emp would be very good even as a last dicth effort to bomb ur city area if its bein attaked by tanks
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E. Goldstein
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So what would you have society do, Krazyhorse? Not develop electronics, and get rid of what we have? Despite your claims, the situation is the same for electronics now as it was for tanks in the 20s and 30s(or whenever any sort of new technology was/will be introduced). What you're doing is the same as telling a runner he might as well give up the race because someone else might run faster.
EMPs will be about as widely used as nuclear bombs are. They don't just take out bombers and battleships, EMPs also scramble hospitals, water treatment plants, and civilian power plants, essentially putting an entire city's population at risk. They are no videogamey equalizer between the 1st and 3rd worlds. At best EMPs will take over the backpack nuke or home-grown anthrax's job as a literary hook in some second-rate terrorist novel.
The Civ series doesn't need any more lame gimmicky units ala CTP. What it needs, as far as WMDs, is a feature so that nukes can be pre-targetted for launch the instant a nuclear strike hits a friendly city. This would allow for a true MAD environment, and provide a considerable deterrant to nuclear attacks.
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Laszlo
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Taipei, Taiwan
May 2000
time: 00:15
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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Magnus
And Goldstein is right about how frequently EMP will be used. If EMP bombs can be built with 1950's tech, then how come all these nations aren't flinging EMP's at each other if it's so easy to generate? |
Lord Magnus, an EMP device of effective size is basically an H-bomb. Anything less concentrated would be really hard to launch over your enemy's atmosphere. As of 1999, there were 44 nuclear capable nations in the world (meaning they have nuclear reactors for power or research). But since the early sixties only India and Pakistan have joined the original five member nations of the nuclear club - the United States, Russia, China, Britain and France. In other words, it's expensive and exclusive - the original members were against India's and Pakistan's tests.
And though there is animosity between the two new entrants, and in the past among the first few members, the political situation of the world would not exactly tolerate nations as trigger-happy as the ones in Civ II. Though I have no doubt that any civ or civer would leap at the chance to employ this miracle weapon over exercising restraint.
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Laszlo
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Taipei, Taiwan
May 2000
time: 00:15
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
How did they do that? Not exploding nuclear devices I hope. 
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Urban Ranger, the US and other nations indeed did open-air tests in the sixties. After Carl Sagan and others popularized the idea of a possible nuclear winter from the dust lofted into the atmosphere by multiple explosions, public reaction made underground testing the only accepted alternative (though Sagan may have had complete abolition of testing in mind). There was also some radiation contamination of milk and produce in the midwestern US from cloud deposition and a miniscule remnant of that radiation still circulates today.
Various non-proliferation treaties and test bans have been agreed upon within the nuclear club since then, and now fuels the debate between them and the nuclear club wannabes. Theclub members don't want to allow more testing but they won't disclose their testing knowledge to those nations either. Admittedly, I think India could better allocate it's resources by providing for it's billion not too well off inhabitants instead of it's testing program, but it does seem unfair for them to be denied this information because they arrived on the nuclear scene a few decades too late.
The desire to keep these nuclear secrets locked up though, is not to short India or Pakistan, but to keep it away from "rogue nations" such as Iraq or Libya that would dare to use them without fearing the consequences. This also kept US companies from exporting supercomputers for years b/c it could be used to simulate nuclear explosions. But "supercomputers" of yesterday are basically the PCs of today, or a few linked up in parallel. The US companies have been upset b/c this puts them at a disadvantage compared to foreign competition and I believe Congress has been lifting the restrictions a bit more each year to compensate for the rate of advance in chip technology. Well, I've ranted far too long and drifted off-topic so I'll stop here.
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10-08-2001 04:49
So the barbs might get these if they were in the game. 
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