13-08-2001 05:06									#61
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To those who voted for Boer: they're just a bunch of Dutch emigrants (with a few French and Germans going with them; boer = Dutch for farmer), so feel free to change your vote.
There are similar Dutch farmer communities in the USA, Russia, Australia and lots of other countries, but the Boer are the only major one to keep their parental language (Afrikaans = a Dutch dialect).

	13-08-2001 05:18									#62
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1. Bangladesh 20
2. Vietnam 20
3. Arabia 20
4. Philistines 20
5. Iraq 20
6. Serbia(serb) 20
7. Cuba 20
8. Indonesia 20

	13-08-2001 05:19									#63
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Hebrew - 20
Arabs - 20
Vikings - 20
Inca - 20
Celts - 20
Maya - 10
Koreans - 20
Ethiopeans - 10
Sioux - 10
Pheonicians - 10

	13-08-2001 05:19									#64
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Locotus, regarding the Ottoman Turks, I’ll try to clarify. (I may end up doing the reverse but I’ll take the risk )
To start with, Turkey is, as you may know, a direct descendant of the Ottoman Empire. However, the Turks are only one of the many Turkic cultures, including amongst others the Kazaks, the Uzbeks etc
The Ottomans are in fact a dynasty, named after it’s founder Osman. He united a confederation of Turkic tribes, the Oguz, into the Ottoman Empire, which is commonly and confusingly referred to as “the Turks”.
So the Ottomans are by definition Turks, the term “Ottoman Turks” is just meant to be precise.

It’s Ghanaians, not Ghanese...

And regarding the 7 points I have left: +7 Mongols (giving them a total of 14)

	13-08-2001 05:25									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu Uh, Neanderthalians?

At first I was going comment as a joke. But if you sit back and think about it, how about the Neanderthalians as our Barbarians?
I mean it, rename the Barbarians. We now know that they did live with Cro-Magnon man because of the bones that were found two or three years ago.

BTW Loctus go see the movie its great. Action from the start to the finish. As in an Indy Jones movie.

	13-08-2001 05:54									#66
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Here's mine

#1. Mongols- 20 points
#2. Carthage- 20 points
#3. Vikings- 20 points
#4. Spanish- 20 points
#5. Trojans- 20 points
#6. Huns -20 points
#7. Italian- 20 points
#8. Turks- 20 points

	13-08-2001 06:29									#67
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Turks - 10
Spanish - 15
Mongols - 15
Inca - 10
Celts - 15
Hebrew - 5
Tibet - 15
Canadian - 10
Dutch - 10
Vikings - 15
Souix - 10
Carthage - 10
Zimbabwe - 5
Kush - 5
Mali - 5
Korians - 5

	13-08-2001 06:34									#68
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1. Sioux
2. Celtic
3. Spanish
4. Innuit
5. Koreans
6. Brazil
7. Portugal
8. Australia
9. Scandinavians
10. Viking
11. Phillipines
12. Tibet
13. Argentina
14. Arabia
15. Trojans
16. Eskimo (yes, I'm trying to vote twice for Innuit)

	13-08-2001 06:47									#69
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Updated again, up to Bob Dorman this time.

Orange,
FYI, you have 10 points left.

LaRusso,
You posted 7 civs without points. I gave them all 20 points, which means you've got 20 points left.

Bob Dornan,
A bit superfluous to mention maybe but you've got 140 points left.

Arator,
I'm treating the Israeli and Hebrew as separate civs here, as I explained in my new rules. One could argue that Israeli are a civ that exists since WWII while the Hebrew refers to the civ that lived in Israel millenia ago. One could also see these two as one and the same civ, but if that is so, the name shouldn't matter. In any case, there are more name issues like this (FE Ottoman/Turkish, Ethiopia/Axum, Carthage/Phoenicia, Austro-Hungarians/Hungarians/Magyar) and to avoid any trouble I treat every name as a seperate civ.

Ribannah,
Yes, but the Boers fought an infamous war against the Brittish (which, let's face it, is also the only reason why the Zulus are in) and also (contrary to Dutch farmers in the US and elsewhere) saw themselves as a independent nation, not as Dutch or English or anything else but as Boer. In any case, everyone can vote for whichever civ (s)he sees fit. If anyone would want to vote for Andorra or Boers or whatever, that's perfectly okay. Whether or not it will actually make a difference in the overall ranking is a different story...

Colon,
Okay, but as I said above, I'm treating each name as a seperate civ to avoid problems (in case some people might refer to Turks as the modern Turks and to Ottoman as the old empire while others might refer to Turks as all Turkic tribes/empires that ever existed and see Ottoman simply as a synonym of this). Do you want your vote to count as Turkish, Ottoman or Ottoman Turks?

Hmm, never even heard of Ghaians but I'll change that...

Edit: Colon, the Mongols have 17, not 7, so if you give all your left-over points to the Mongols you would give them 24 points, which is 4 more than allowed, so I can't change anything.

Alantus,
Maybe I'm just stupid but you could just give twice as many points to the Innuit and not vote for Eskimos at all...

Last edited by Locutus on 13-08-2001 at 06:54

	13-08-2001 07:00									#70
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Heres my $0.02

Hebrews - 20
Arabs - 20
Eskimo/Inuit - 20
Turks - 20
Mongols- 20
Sioux - 20
Carthage - 20
Portugal - 10
Inca - 5
Maya - 5

great job, by the way, locutus

	13-08-2001 08:00									#71
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Mayans 20
Inca 20
Spanish 20
Ethiopians 15
Arabs 15
Mongols 10
Hebrews 10
Turks 10
Khmer 5
Mali 5
Dutch 5
Austrians 5
Polish 5
Phoenicians 5
Etruscans 5
Hittites 5

	13-08-2001 08:22									#72
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1. Korean-20
2. Mongol-20
3. Viking-20
4. Spain-5
5. Dutch- 5
6. Hebrew- 5
7. Turkish- 5
8. Sioux- 10
9. Inca- 5
10. Carthage- 20
11. Phonecia- 20
12. Maya- 5
13. Mali- 5
14. Polish- 5
15. Cherokee- 5
16. Vietnamiese- 5


Come on guys, I can't believe you are leaving out the Koreans!!!
Let's get the Koreans in the top 16!

	13-08-2001 08:27									#73
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Airedale 10
Basset Hound 10
Beagle 10
Borzoi 10
Cocker Spaniel 10
Dachshund 10
Poddle 10
Shar-Pei 10
Bull Dog 10
Boxer 10
Border Collie 10
Basenji 10
Rhodesian Ridgeback 10
Boston Terrier 10
Irish Setter 10
Russia Wolf Hound 10

I tryed to get breeds from all over the world

	13-08-2001 08:27									#74
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Monkspider were not talking about women or Koreans would prblay be #1.

	13-08-2001 08:36									#75
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LOL dennis

	13-08-2001 08:37									#76
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20 Arabs
20 Spanish
17 Turks
17 Mongol
17 Carthage
15 Portuguese
15 Dutch
08 Phoenician
08 Hebrew
08 Maya
08 Inca
07 Colombian

	13-08-2001 08:51									#77
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Koreans - 20
Celts - 20
Vikings - 20
Siam - 20
Bedouin - 20
Mongol - 20
Tartars - 20
Ethiopian - 20

	13-08-2001 08:53									#78
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quote: Originally posted by dennis580 Monkspider were not talking about women or Koreans would prblay be #1.

That's why I've been living here in Korea for six years Just a joke (almost). Korea has a great 5,000 year old history to explore.

	13-08-2001 09:59									#79
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Okay, here:

Mongols 20
Vikings 20
Spanish 20
Arabs 20
Turks 20
Koreans 20 (more Far East representation is needed!)
Phoenicians 10 (definitely it and Carthaginians should be considered one and the same civ)
Ethiopians 10
Mayans 10
Incas 10

I would add the Celts too, but Europe is already so crowded.

Locutus, why don't you count the votes two ways - one looking at the Ottomans/Turks, Magyars/Hungarians etc ... as one and one as separate. Personally I think most of those should be lumped into one. Just because a civ changed name over times or has more than one name shouldn't be a reason to get less votes - that's not fair.

	13-08-2001 10:24									#80
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heres my list....

Mongols 20
Vikings 20
Turks 20
Eithiopia 20
Incas 10
Mayans 10
America 10
Phoenicians 10
Koreans 10
Celts 5
Israelis 5
Arabs 5
Goths 5
Siam 5
Assyrians 5

	13-08-2001 10:44									#81
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1. Spanish - 20
2. Mongols - 20
3. Arabs - 15
4. Turks (Ottomans) - 15
5. Dutch - 10
6. Vikings - 10
7. Byzantines - 10
8. Magyars (Hungarians) - 10
9. Maya - 10
10. Huns - 10
11. Ethiopia - 5
12. Apache - 5
13. Sioux - 5
14. Carthage - 5
15. Celts - 5
16. Sumerians - 5

	13-08-2001 10:47									#82
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I'm currently in Uganda, in the center of Afrika on a very dated computer, and of course I can't resist to vote ;-)

1. Dutch (20 points)
2. Spanish (20 points)
3. Australians (20 points)
4. Italians (20 points)
5. Ugandians (20 points) ;-)
6. Canadians (20 points)

can't come up with more,
to hot to think clear overhere ;-)

CyberShy

	13-08-2001 10:50									#83
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Arabs - 20
Mongols - 20
Incas - 20
Spanish - 20
Vikings - 10 (includes the Scandinavians, Normans, and Rus)
Celts - 10 (Not just Scots and Irish, but Gaulic tribes as well)
Mande - 10 (the peoples of Ghana, Mali, and Songhai)
Portugese - 10
Huns - 5
Turks - 5
Phoenicians - 5
Polynesians - 5
Mayans - 5
Hebrews - 5 (looking for peoples not states)
Anasazi - 5 (really ancient American indian tribe)
Khmers - 5 (if only for Angkor)

Last edited by Dugrik on 13-08-2001 at 11:14

	13-08-2001 12:17									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu Uh, Neanderthalians? I think that is *wee* bit out of the timeframe.

I just thought of how cool their leader should look, and just had to vote for them

	13-08-2001 12:32									#85
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Dutch 20
Spanish 20
Inca 20
Mongol 20
Portugese 20
Viking 20
Arab 20
Turk 20

	13-08-2001 12:39									#86
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My votes and proposed civ profiles:

20 Spain (Expansionist, Religious)
20 Carthage (Militaristic, Commercial)
15 Mongol (Militaristic, Expansionist)
15 Turkish (Militaristic, Expansionist)
15 Sweden (Scientific, Industrious)
10 Inca (Militaristic, Religious)
10 Dutch (Commercial, Expansionist)
10 Celts (Militaristic, Expansionist)
10 Portugal (Expanisonist, Religious)
5 Maya (Scientific, Religious)
5 Sioux (Expansionist, Religious)
5 Hebrew (Scientific, Religious)
5 Arabia (Expansionist, Religious)
5 Austria-Hungary(Militaristic, Expansionist)
5 Poland (Expansionist, Religious)
5 Phoenicians (Commercial, Scientific)

NOTE: Still can´t believe that Spain is not in Civ3.com list of civs, Spain was the largest and longer world empire ever, and it controlled more than 1/3 of world land for 4 centuries in the 5 continents, its influence in arts and literature is unparalel and its language is the 3rd in the world with more than 400 millions of speakers worlwide. A question for the civ3 team: What ELSE should have we done to be included in Civilization 3?.

	13-08-2001 12:44									#87
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Humbly, my votes

Italian 25
Finnish 20
Phoenician 20
Maori 20
Navajo 20
Maya 15
Sikh 10
Mongol 10
Portoguese 10
Turkish 10
Spanish 5
Swiss 5
Inca 5
Viking 5
Tibet 5
Carthagininans 5

	13-08-2001 13:07									#88
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Remember everyone, vote Korean! Korea right up there with the the rest of the asian giants in terms of cultural influence IMHO.

	13-08-2001 13:11									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Gramphos, Ah yes, I great projects And I'm already planning the next one too: the Apolyton Program In any case, your Caravans are gratefully accepted

What is the prerequires for that project, and when will you start it?

quote: Your choice for Neanderthalers is a little odd (what Stefu said), though I suppose it's not forbidden or anything. What would you use as city names though, to my knowledge Neanderthalers were nomads? Heck, did they even have (spoken) language?

City names... I don't know, but as they built things (tables and chairs they must have lived somewhere .
Actually I just looked for something to spice up my list . I doubt they will be added, Firaxis can't find enough facts about them to make them.
Conclusion: that vote was wasted for the sake of humor

	13-08-2001 13:16									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Alfonsus71 Still can´t believe that Spain is not in Civ3.com list of civs, Spain was the largest and longer world empire ever, and it controlled more than 1/3 of world land for 4 centuries in the 5 continents, its influence in arts and literature is unparalel and its language is the 3rd in the world with more than 400 millions of speakers worlwide. A question for the civ3 team: What ELSE should have we done to be included in Civilization 3?.

Probably make a couple of technological discoveries and build a few wonders (other than the Armada or Don Quixote), although that didn't help the Dutch to make it either. The problem is simply that there are already 6 European civs in the first 16, so we have to compare our own favourites from this continent to those instead of to the Zulus. That makes it hard to choose.