17-08-2001 14:38									#1
	ONE game with WES W's mod 4.13? Increase the size of your Attachments

I'll test a PBEM-game based on Wes' newest mod (ver 4.13) this weekend.

I'm pretty sure the test will pass my expectations.

Only accelerated parameters will be number of settlers (between 3 and 7 depending on the numbers of players and map size) and some gold, between 5000 and 10000 or so. No extra advances, no extra PW.

Anyone (fast players) interested to join a such game?

	17-08-2001 17:20									#2
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count me in bird

	17-08-2001 19:31									#3
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Sure, I'll play.

	17-08-2001 23:28									#4
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Sure Birdie, count Saddam in

	18-08-2001 00:10									#5
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Yes, I'll play.

	18-08-2001 02:10									#6
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Me too, please.

	18-08-2001 10:13									#7
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2 slots and 1 moderator still open.

Test will start when my turns have been played and forwarded.

	18-08-2001 10:41									#8
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Where do I download Wes mod from??

	18-08-2001 11:24									#9
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If there's still room, I would like to participate.

	18-08-2001 13:37									#10
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Here is the version, I'll use:

http://apolyton.net/wes/

	18-08-2001 13:50									#11
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I assume we need to download all 3 parts?

	18-08-2001 14:53									#12
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Right - and make a short SP testgame yourself, just to see, that it is installed all-right.

	18-08-2001 14:57									#13
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ok.. what folder do I have to extract the files into??

	18-08-2001 15:51									#14
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Count me in if there's still room.
Extract to your main CTP folder.

Beware! To play an ordinary game again you must unzip the Original aidata.zip file (found in the Med readmes directory) to replace the AI and const.txt back to their originals. You can then restore the MedMod with Standard aidata.zip.

This is all thanks to incompetence at Activision.

And don't forget to change userprofile.txt (see readme for details)!

	18-08-2001 16:18									#15
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hmm.. all sounds too complicated for this old man.. I think I'll sit this one out

	18-08-2001 17:02									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Hunter hmm.. all sounds too complicated for this old man.. I think I'll sit this one out

Humbug! It's only complicated of you haven't spent the last six weeks designing a CTP Modpack. Oh, maybe you haven't...

John

	18-08-2001 20:37									#17
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It is not really complicated - just unzip the three files, use the folderstructure included, see to it, that the MedPack4 folder is placed as subdirectory to the Scenario folder. Then copy the AIdata files and the AIP files to their original gamefolders just as JB writes (remember to copy the original files back after).

The test was succesfull(!) - only problem was, when a AI annihilated one of my cities - but I have seen the same in a original PBEM-game too.

Players so far:

TheBirdMan
Hunter
Paul
Saddam
Fraze
Don
NukeBoy
JBytheway

Now your wotes for the settings please - and your preferred civ, leadername and e-mail address (just in case something has changed to what I know). I am still looking for a moderator.

Have you all tried to playtest a SP game - just the first 40-60 turns (can't take long)? And have you printed the advance chart? You'll need it as the Library (Help funktion) is missing some explanations.

While I am waiting for your answers, I'll test some more settings about the startadvances - unless you all want to start with the same advances?!

	18-08-2001 21:15									#18
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Preferences

Game Settings
(as in the single player mode)

1. Skill level - King or easier
2. Barbarian Threat - Don't care
3. Map Size -
4. Civilization - English
5. Leader Name - John
6. Gender - Male
7. World Shape - Earth
8. Bloodlust - No
9. Pollution - Yes

Additional Settings

1. Your time region in GMT - GMT +1:00
2. e-mail - john.bytheway@btinternet.com

	18-08-2001 21:53									#19
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Birdman,

The settings dont matter to me. I would like to be George W. Bush of the Americans.

Nuke

	19-08-2001 00:31									#20
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My preferences:

Map size: gigantic
Map shape: donut or earth
Other settings: default or don't care
Civilization: Dutch
Leadername: Paul
Playing time: 6.30 - 7.30 and 17.00 - 22.00 CET on workdays

	19-08-2001 06:47									#21
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Count me out please

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You're missing a hit Hunter!

WesW's Mod makes an unbelievable difference and CtP an entirely better game.

It is worth the effort to download and install.

	19-08-2001 09:50									#23
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Bird if im not mistaken there are new civs in 4.13...I will look download now but, I know it is a large DL so Ill be up doing it for awhile...

Anyway max,
Heres me settings


Hagar (male) of the Vikings

Chieftan (dont care actually)
Max Barb threat
Huge of course
Earth
BL-no
YES Pollution

time= 12:00 Central daylight time (midwest USA timezone, whatever thats called

**Important: Bird, try your best to continent/water game ok? So where we each have a continent, you dont have too get it that perfect, but you get the idea...Continents in general.

thanks

I will DL 4.13 asap

	19-08-2001 10:08									#24
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Actually JBTW your wrong on one point. If you want to play a normal PBEM turn. You dont have to swap the files configuration files to play turns from unmodded to modded games.....

Correct me if Im wrong

Birdman? Swissy? Somebody who has played the modded PBEM's(APQS, DC ect..)

	19-08-2001 13:34									#25
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No swapping files around.

However, there are some demands:

The scenariofolder must be placed and named the same way by all players (scenarios -> medpack4). Try a short SP-test game just to be sure, it works.

You have to save the incomming turn in the ctp\save\games\ structure. Make a new folder there, call it medpack4, save the turn there.

You can only load the saved game by starting it as a normal CTP savegame (SP -> load game -> locate the folder and turn). You need the CD!!!!

And difficulty level: No friends. At least King, prefer Deity. Rest gives too high a happiness factor.

	19-08-2001 14:06									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Saddam Actually JBTW your wrong on one point. If you want to play a normal PBEM turn. You dont have to swap the files configuration files to play turns from unmodded to modded games.....

The thing about the MedMod that isn't in any of the other mods is that it changes const.txt - now const.txt is a very annoying file because it must be read from the ...\ctp_data\default\gamedata\ directory - nowhere else will do. So, to play a normal game you need to replace it with normal const.txt, and to play a MedMod game you must replace it with the MedMod's const.txt. It's pretty important to get the right one because it affects all sorts of things like the game start year & end year, the fractions of gold/production lost to conversion/franchises and so on.

The aidata is similarly replaced, and that might cause problems with the barbarians.

If only Activision had realised that scenarios might actually want to change const.txt... I don't get these exceptions to the normal rules that occur all the time, there was a file like this in Civ2 too.

I have a cunning plan to get around this problem, but it probably won't work - don't hold your breath.

John

	19-08-2001 14:22									#27
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OBS!!!!

Be carefull when making buildqueue. Be sure to name them as a MedMod queue. If you have any special units/buildings from the MedMod in them, other games without the MedMod will crash if you by accident choose one of those for your city.

Edit:

quote: The thing about the MedMod that isn't in any of the other mods is that it changes const.txt - now const.txt is a very annoying file because it must be read from the ...\ctp_data\default\gamedata\ directory - nowhere else will do.

I think it only counts for the one, that starts the game - just as I had to alter both the const.txt and the map.txt in the default directory when I launced Giant Bird (and Eagles as far as I remember) with an oversized map. And just for the very first turn - then the parameters are saved within the turn.

	19-08-2001 15:37									#28
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quote: I think it only counts for the one, that starts the game - just as I had to alter both the const.txt and the map.txt in the default directory when I launced Giant Bird (and Eagles as far as I remember) with an oversized map. And just for the very first turn - then the parameters are saved within the turn.

I hope you're right. That would seem sensible, but I wouild have expected more problems. Usually you get a crash if you try and load a game saved under different rules, but I can see how map.txt and const.txt (and a few others) could be an exception to that. Thanks for enlightening me .

In case you're interested, an alternate method for switching, instead of copying files around have both (or all) versions of const.txt in the gamedata directory under different names, e.g. you call the MedMod one constmm.txt. Then, edit gamefile.txt to refer to the right one. That should be useful for single playing and starting new PBEM games.

	19-08-2001 23:23									#29
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1. Skill level - Deity
2. Barbarian Threat - DNM
3. Map Size - Huge
4. Civilization - Celts
5. Leader Name - Frazer
6. Gender - Male
7. World Shape - Doenut
8. Bloodlust - No
9. Pollution - Yes

I just tried an SP game with the MOD, It works OK but the messages are appearing with variable references such as [city.size] instead of the value. Is there something I need to do to fix this?

	19-08-2001 23:42									#30
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In userprofile.txt, set DebugSlic to yes.