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SlowThinker
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homeless, Praha, Czech Republic
Jan 2000
time: 06:12
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Post 1 of
"The Great Library: a hierarchical structure" thread contains a detailed explanation of keywords now.
SGs, we could reconstruct Post 1 of Apolyton's Great Library" into a starting page with links etc. now
Sirotnikov,
See my post here (posted March 23, 2001 22:08; "In fact, it is not very important...")
My idea is that a .hlp file will keep something similar to a table of "The Great Library: a hierarchical structure" thread
I think that threads will always need corrections.
[This message has been edited by SlowThinker (edited April 15, 2001).]
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SlowThinker
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homeless, Praha, Czech Republic
Jan 2000
time: 06:12
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How to build a condensed thread (Info:...)
The prototype thread is "Info: diplomats and spies" thread
I will try to summarize hints how to do it. Regard them as suggestions only, the final look depends on your decision. But the existence of a standard look has some advantages: It would be more comfortable for readers and a prospective moving of paragraphs between threads would be easier.
The main post (Post 1 in the "Info: diplomats and spies" thread) needn't be held on the same place as the debate (if you want to keep it on your own web pages for example). But I suggest it: It is simpler to load everything in all and any reader can see the newest knowledge or theories (not included into Post1 yet) easily.
Name the thread Info: topic,
where topic is taken from a table in "The Great Library: a hierarchical structure" thread.
When I made "Info: diplomats and spies" thread, I went to SEARCH button and I searched for words spy, spies, diplomat, brib, sabotag etc. But you may search also for "keywords" (see "The Great Library: a hierarchical structure" thread).
You can put new keywords if there are no ones or missing ones in threads you work with.
Use posts for additional informations and reserve one or two posts for a future use (posts 2-5 of "Info: diplomats and spies" thread).
Don't be afraid of the html code if you don't know it:
Use the Post 1 of "Info: diplomats and spies" thread:
Load "Info: diplomats and spies" thread, go to edit button and copy the content to a Windows clipboard. Then make a new file through Notepad (or any text editor), paste the content of the clipboard in, and save the file with a .htm extension. Exit the text editor. Open your something.htm file using a html editor (you have to use (at least for the first time) a WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) editor: for example a built-in editor in IE (Front Page Express) or Netscape (Netscape Composer)), edit it and save it.
Unfortunately, you cannot send the result to Apolyton immediately: a standard html ignores EOLs (end-of-line-markers), but Apolyton mixes html and EOLs. You have to replace all EOLs by spaces:
I use MSWord for that purpose: I copy my something.htm into something.txt file and I open it in Word. I use the replace function (Ctrl-H) and I replace all ^p by ^s (I have made a simple macro for that procedure).
The text is ready now: you have just bring it (through a clipboard) to an Apolyton input field.
It is useful to keep links to threads that were not abandoned, i. e. to threads that contain a semifinished problem. (See yellow parts of Post 1 of "Info: diplomats and spies" thread: 3.9 (emerging partisans) and 12.1 (industrial sabotage)).
Help others to maintain build and their condensed threads. Or create a pair or a group that will build one thread. The cooperation improves the morale.
Any suggestions to improvement of this article are welcomed!
[This message has been edited by SlowThinker (edited April 16, 2001).]
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SlowThinker
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homeless, Praha, Czech Republic
Jan 2000
time: 06:12
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I have edited the post "How to build a condensed thread " a little.
Marquis de Sodaq,
It must work. I hope you didn't save all the thread, only content of first post. Didn't you miss
and save the file with a .htm extension. Open your something.htm file using any html editor ?
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SlowThinker
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homeless, Praha, Czech Republic
Jan 2000
time: 06:12
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double post
[This message has been edited by SlowThinker (edited April 16, 2001).]
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SlowThinker
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homeless, Praha, Czech Republic
Jan 2000
time: 06:12
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I have edited the post "How to build a condensed thread" again.
quote:
Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq
Also, I saw your note that the search engine does not work on edited posts AFTER I had already edited by keyword post. Any ideas on how to work around this? I'll keep it as is until our keyword discussion is resolved...
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I have brought the problem to the Apolyton/Community forum...See http://www.apolyton.net/forums/Forum20/HTML/001480.html , posted April 16, 2001 12:47, it is comical.
quote:
Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq
Re: improvements and wonders
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I vote for improvements/wonders are not summarized in one thread, but only when relevant to another topic.
There is an idea of one large hyperlink structure for advances, WoWs and improvements (a kind of the tech tree) in the table at "The Great Library: a hierarchical structure" thread, row 5 (lists). But I suppose there would be just basic informations (shield cost, prerequisites...)
quote:
Originally posted by Roman
This thread is getting rather long. Wouldn't it be wise to start a new one on this topic?
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Yes, this thread served for two purposes from the beginning:
as the place where to store useful information and
as the place where to debate about it.
I agree we bring some portion of a mess, but it shouldn't harm: IMHO all useful information should be stored in the first post at final stage (or the first page).
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Marquis de Sodaq
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... no, a Marquis.
Jul 2000
time: 23:12
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I like Ming's idea of one locked thread, which would be the Great Library itself, or rather, it's card catalog. SG2, is your idea that this locked thread would be the index with links to all the relevant info threads? Essentially an index like in the back of a book, with under S the word spy that is a link to ST's diplo/spy thread?
A second thread for discussion would crop up anyway, so we may as well have a designated one at the top of the forum. This could be where people can announce their plan to make a complete info thread, and on what topic. Or call for a topic to be compiled.
I think the actual compiled knowledge should remain as is (e.g. the diplo/spy thread), in a thread with one summary post and discussion following. Players always discover something new, requiring edits/additions to the main post.
Looking back thru this thread, it appears that the SGs, SlowThinker, and I are the main "librarians," with help from La Fayette and Edward. Who else is contributing significantly at this point?
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"There is no fortress impregnable to an ass laden with gold."
-Philip of Macedon
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Marquis de Sodaq
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... no, a Marquis.
Jul 2000
time: 23:12
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SG2, the only problems I see are:
1) The index should alphabetize on the primary noun, e.g. the obvious place to look for technology threads, T, has only trade. I suggest using subgroups under the keywords:
O
OCC (One City Challenge)
...OCC "Paulicy" (link)
...with size 4 city (link)
...etc
T
technology
...first 20 techs - discussion (link)
...etc
trade
...maximizing (link)
...etc
The subgroups allow multiple topics under one keyword, instead of under several letters. While you don't like ST's hierarchy, the keywords are indispensable, IMHO.
2) Make the url the thread title where possible. It gives a better sense of the topic than the cryptic address.
3) Use proper spelling. It looks like you used "Capital" as it appears in the linked thread. But they were discussing the Capitol. Common mistake, but one worth correcting.
It would be easy to come up with terms to identify different types of links, such as your "- discussion", above. The diplo/spy and combat summary threads could have something like "- info" or "- summary" to separate them. Great start to getting this library in a usable form!
[This message has been edited by Marquis de Sodaq (edited April 17, 2001).]
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Marquis de Sodaq
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... no, a Marquis.
Jul 2000
time: 23:12
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Re: Debating the content of the closed thread
I vote to have the GL's first post be a finalized version of SG2's quickie index, above. This will retain links to all knowledge deemed worthy. As librarians, we ought to filter out the useful threads from the hooey, excluding the latter.
In the spirit (and success) of the diplo/spy and combat threads, additional posts should be used for:
- Description of what the GL thread is,
- Description of what the different linked thread types are (discussion, strategy, info compilation, etc),
- Directions for use of the GL and any associated thread(s), such as where to comment or submit new info.
SG2, I know of many US/UK spelling differences, but capital/-ol is new to me!  I agree that we need to get the GL flying instead of always ruminating about what can be...
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SlowThinker
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homeless, Praha, Czech Republic
Jan 2000
time: 06:12
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quote:
Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq
I vote to have the GL's first post be a finalized version of SG2's quickie index, above.
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IMHO the placement of SG's index depends SG and Ming, they have to fix if the index will be included in the "top closed thread" or will be referred from:
SG, how often do you think to update it?
Ming, how often are you willing to unlock-lock the "top closed thread"?
But I suggest a separated thread for the index: people could send suggestions for interesting threads.
quote:
Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq
Description of what the GL thread is,
Description of what the different linked thread types are (discussion, strategy, info compilation, etc),
Directions for use of the GL and any associated thread(s), such as where to comment or submit new info.
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Wouldn't you be willing to write it?
(I suppose a detailed description about the system of condensed threads and "keywords" would stay in "The Great Library: a hierarchical structure" thread (I will add "How to build a condensed thread" etc.), you could create only a brief lead-in with a link to "The Great Library: a hierarchical structure" thread.)
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16-04-2001 03:41
The basis of the concept is the structure of 
I have noticed one or two weeks ago that you prefer an alphabetical index, but you didn't answer my response 
. We should debate it immediately. 
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