26-03-2001 09:38									#1
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Forgive me if I'm poorly educated on such matters, but do veteran units "heal" any faster than non-vet units? I have absolutely no scientific evidence to back this up, but it seems like it to me. Maybe I'm loony. I wouldn't be suprised.

	26-03-2001 10:03									#2
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It's possible that your veteran units were built in a city with a Barracks, and are healing themselves there. That would certainly make them heal faster. Other than that, I haven't really noticed a faster healing effect. It would make some sense if there was one, though. Units that have seen action would be more interested in achieving full fighting strength.

	26-03-2001 11:05									#3
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A vet unit created by a barracks in the unit's home city repairs itself in a turn. Vets created by Sun Tzu don't heal themselves in a turn.

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	28-03-2001 00:58									#6
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I have found my old tests:
40% of total hit points healed every turn in non-barrack city
20% of total hit points healed every turn max. 3 squares from city (i.e. a square 7x7 squares; I didn't take notice of a presence of barracks in the city)
10% of total hit points healed every turn on normal square

Unit must not move (an idea: can unit move on the railroad?).
I didn't take notice of the vet status.
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	28-03-2001 09:32									#7
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No, I think Vet heal at the same rates. all units heal faster in cities.

I think a unit almost heals completely in a turn if its fortified.

	28-03-2001 15:57									#8
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From impirical observation only, no difference vet/non vet.

Reading your post, Archangel, has jogged my memory and I do seem to recall one or two occasions when I've thought my unit made surprising progress. Overall, though, I doubt that entrenchment made the difference. I suspect the units I noticed may just have been close to one of my cities.

I think that instructing a unit to entrench may cost it the healing points it would otherwise get that turn. A unit which stays entrenched throughout bounces back immediately after suffering the damage.

I distinctly noted a case recently where the navy had to pick up a survivor. I expected the ensuing long sea voyage to do him a power of good. But when the ship docked half a dozen turns later the lad was pretty much as poorly as when he was carried aboard. Seasick, I expect. Anyone else had that happen?

I also wonder whether ships recover to the same formula as land based units?

Have you noticed that barbs wear their wounds with pride? I used to think they lacked the ability to heal but then I saw a couple who were well into the red take refuge in a fortress (as they love to do) and they proceeded to heal perfectly naturally. So it is just their love of battle and compulsion to keep on the move that stops them recovering. That, or a desire to meet up with their mates in Valhalla!
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Weird.. my post was disappeared and was messing this thread in a strange way. A couple of posts behind this were mysterically inside this post. There was a command 'center' included here when I went to edit this; now it has been removed and the problem seized.

OK, now what I was saying.. oh yes: unit healing. In my experience the unit doesn't get healed even if you move it via railroad (and it don't lose movement points). It must stay completely unmoved in order to be healed. Anyone agree with me?
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	29-03-2001 10:26									#10
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	29-03-2001 10:40									#11
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A small point - in my experience - units do repair during sea voyages - so I am unsure what went wrong in your example EST -- also a wounded unit put to sleep (sentry) wakes up when it is completely healed...

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	29-03-2001 02:18									#13
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If a unit attacked, it is considered moved. However if you sentry or fortify it, the unit still gets healed.

Not sure: Engineers can transform terrain and still get healed?

	29-03-2001 17:27									#15
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Xin Yu:
I´m pretty sure Settlers/Engineers heal during working map squares. It doesn´t matter what the job actually is.

	29-03-2001 19:15									#18
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Marko. looks as though I was wrong to think that telling an injured unit in the field to entrench costs any healing time, then.

SG and LaFayette. The failed "long sea voyage" convalescence was a one off and may well be nothing more than faulty observation. What I thought I noticed was not quite a total absense of healing but rather that the rate of healing seemed a good bit slower than normal.

But my units healing in the field are, typically, in fortresses three squares from a city which probably colours my expectations. At sea the unit would not get the benefit of the accelerated rate pointed out by Slow Thinker for being close to the city's facilities.

	29-03-2001 21:34									#19
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for whats it worth - and this is untested - it seems to me that units heal slower on ships than on non-city terrain.

	06-04-2001 23:15									#21
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Refocusing on Fubla's question for a moment, vet units would recover more hit points per turn than corresponding non-vets. (This because they have more potential points in the first place.) However, all seem to be in agreement that they heal at the same rate, percentagewise. ST, my observation is that ships don't seem to get the city radius bonus experienced by land units. Is that right?
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	07-04-2001 03:43									#22
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Blaupanzer,
my tests were on land only.

BTW, somebody could take 15 minutes and check out all hypothesis written here in last two weeks and take 10 minutes and say the results to us. Then we could close this thread
SG(2), I know you don't agree with me, you like "the social side of forums"
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	10-04-2001 03:41									#25
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Scouse Gits,

quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. If you want to talk about the Great Library we can either do this on the discussion thread you started in the General Section, or you can send me a PM.

"the social side of forums" is a quotation from your post on page 3

La Fayette,

quote: Originally posted by La Fayette Furthermore I confess I like the "social side..." (don't deny ST! you like it too)

Of course, but I would like to separate it from the "informational side..."

	10-04-2001 23:07									#27
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ST - For somebody, who seeks a logical approach to matters, it seems a pity that you don't apply the same standards when quoting another person's post. This is what I actually wrote in the thread you refer to:

I think new posters on the site welcome some dialogue with the existing members. I don't want the GL to cut out the social side of these forums. Exchanging views with posters new or old is part of Apolyton's success. Sure, a number of threads will keep repeating on a subject covered many times - so what? There is always something to learn for somebody.
I always look on the Civ2 threads as the daily news - the GL is more of the magazine for concentrated study. They complement each other.
I agree with you that organisation has to be brought into this thread. I think the idea of the Index is a good start.

Perhaps you now understand my confusion?

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	11-04-2001 01:25									#28
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SG(2),
I will fight a little

In fact, it is La Fayette who taught me that style. He often do allusions to other threads, I don't know what he's speaking about, and I found it out later when I read another thread.

And, IMHO, it was more comical without a quote (I hope you undestand my english: I am not sure about the word order). Or, it would be more comical if you would remember your words, I was mistaken here.
You know, I though you are not so forgetful. (It was a retaliation against your it seems a pity that you don't apply the same standards... )

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	11-04-2001 04:00									#29
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	16-04-2001 15:28									#30
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I have admitted 2 new employees to my lab:
land units:
100% of total hit points healed every turn in a city with barracks.
40% of total hit points healed every turn in a non-barrack city
30% of total hit points healed every turn max. 3 squares from city with barracks(i.e. a square 7x7 squares)
20% of total hit points healed every turn max. 3 squares from a non-barrack city
10% of total hit points healed every turn on normal square
Fortress adds 10% (normal square, near city, near barracked city). I didn't test a city built on a fortress. I did't prove a fortress very close to a city (there might be an aditional bonus?)


naval/aerial units:
20%/20% of total hit points healed every turn in a fortress or a city
10%/0% of total hit points healed every turn on normal square
100%/100% of total hit points healed every turn in a city with port facility/airport
Airbase, barracks has no effect
port facility/airport affects just the city square

a land unit on a boat is still a land unit, but it is NOT considered moving if the ship moves ( ship IS considered as a moving unit when moving).

a non-moving order doesn't harm healing

vet status, sleep and fortify mode doesn't effect healing

there may be a mistake

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