05-10-2001 00:44									#91
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Wow, how many Poles are there in Apolyton! I confess I did not expect it! I just wanted to say that the Poles were the civ I placed instead of the Sioux in Civ2. That goes on to show that some of us are well aware of the historical importance of Poland.

PS. The one other customized tribe I had in Civ2 was the Dutch. I wonder what Rib would think about it

	05-10-2001 00:52									#92
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ok leaders:
a) female
-Jadwiga{Polish Queen]
-Bona [Polish Queen]

-Emilia Plater [Participant of rising in year 1830, colonel of partisan's armies ]

end?

b)male
-Jan 3 Sobieski
-W³adys³aw Jagie³³o
-Mieszko 1
-Józef Pi³sudski
-Tadeusz Koœciuszko
-Kazimierz Wielki
[Order accidental ]
of course it wouldn't be me without ending joke

-Andrew Lepper

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	05-10-2001 01:14									#93
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Martinus:

quote: We were unstoppable. We just did not want to show off

"Were"? Are you actually implying that there was a moment in history when we stopped being unstopable ?

Jay Bee: I'm really glad to hear that. Poland is one of the most underrated nations in the world, and I highly appreciate the fact that there are people like you who have broken through the stereotype.

	05-10-2001 01:18									#94
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Thanks for support JayBee

As for the Polish ruler, if we are going to make Poles Scientific and Religious, than I guess Queen Jadwiga would be the best choice.

I mean, she founded (reinstated) the University of Krakow and was declared a saint. Fits like a glove

BTW, as a side note, I wonder whether any of you guys (not only Poles, heaven forbid) would be interested in playing an on-line historical RPG/strategy game, we are having on the EU forum (Paradox, not Apolyton). If you are, PM me; I will give you details.

	05-10-2001 12:48									#95
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quote: Wow, how many Poles are there in Apolyton! I confess I did not expect it! I just wanted to say that the Poles were the civ I placed instead of the Sioux in Civ2. That goes on to show that some of us are well aware of the historical importance of Poland.

beter stay with us or elce
now seriosly thank you
and hey historical importence isn't everthing! everyone know that in Poland are most nice girls



Okay maybe we should chose leader, spec. unit capitol etc.
so we can send it to Firaxis [or maybe they will see it here ].

So I think leaeder should be male.

Of course you do not have to oneself agree with this opinion, We can discuss that issue more of course.

spec unit - now this is obvious , husars

capitol: Krakow or Gniezno , my vote is for Gniezno, the firs capitol:*)

Now what do you think?

	05-10-2001 12:50									#96
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quote: Originally posted by LoD krzysiek: Hmm, yes, you're right about the "post 1950 GL crisis" (maybe except Lepper ). However, keep in mind that after 1950 till today we fought no wars, so there was no opportunity for anyone to become a national hero, as far as military causes are concerned.

Great leaders are not only military leaders. In ancient ages, yes. But now? For example Ghandi. "GL" can be religious leaders, or those who increase power of a civilization during peace time.

quote: Originally posted by LoD BTW, who would you consider more "worthy" to posses the status of a Great Leader, if Poland would find its way to the Civ3 expansion: Sikorski, or Berling? LoD

I know what you mean. I think they both were patriots, but the first one tried to find help in Western Europe countries, the second in Russians. I don't know them so well to decide which one is "better". Now we know what happened after the WW2. They couldn't know. Anyway I won't call them "Great Leaders", because they didn't manage to change the history.

	05-10-2001 12:59									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Martinus As for the Polish ruler, if we are going to make Poles Scientific and Religious, than I guess Queen Jadwiga would be the best choice. I mean, she founded (reinstated) the University of Krakow and was declared a saint. Fits like a glove

Great idea! Poles ARE scientific nad religious! And Queen Jadwiga as a GL fits perfectly.
Just as one reminded recently, Polish woman are famous because of their beauty.

	05-10-2001 23:31									#98
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krzysiek: Great Leaders in Civ3 will be used to create armies, amond other ways of utilizations, so for me its natural that they should be military.

	05-10-2001 23:47									#99
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But I meant Jadwiga not as a great leader, but as a ruler (like Joan of Arc for France or Hammurabi for Babilonians).

	06-10-2001 00:10									#100
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Now

We are talking aout Graet Leaders or ruler

ruler: Kaziu Wielki (?) or Mieszko

and GL's those who i posted before [some of them...]

soo maybe I'm "not in topic" so we are talking now about ruler or GL?

	06-10-2001 14:24									#101
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Mankind: Both .

	06-10-2001 20:36									#102
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quote: Originally posted by LoD Mankind: Both .

So ho want's to be the ruler(:lol oops...ho is a candidate for ruler?

'Mieszko 1' or maybe 'Kaziu Wielki'?

	06-10-2001 22:09									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Mankind So ho want's to be the ruler(:lol oops...ho is a candidate for ruler?

Jadwiga! Jadwiga! Jadwiga!

*ducking for cover*

	07-10-2001 00:52									#104
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quote: Originally posted by LoD krzysiek: Great Leaders in Civ3 will be used to create armies, amond other ways of utilizations, so for me its natural that they should be military.

My mistake. I thought ruler and written GL.
Ruler: Queen Jadwiga
GLs: Sobieski, Czarnecki, Zawisza Czarny, Anders, Pu³aski, Sikorski, Koœciuszko, Pi³sudzki, Bem, Chodkiewicz, Rydz-Smigly and many many more (especially Polish kings who can be both rulers and GLs)

Special unit: Rudy 102 (Janek + Gustlik + Grigorij + Olgierd + Szarik)

	07-10-2001 01:04									#105
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I prefer ruler for Poland be male....

Kaziuuuu? or someone else....

	07-10-2001 01:10									#106
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Well if not Jadwiga (why not? - she would be great as representing religious and scientific civ), than my types are:

Kaziu (Kazimierz) the Great,
Zygmunt the Old
or Boleslaw Chrobry (the Brave).

	07-10-2001 06:49									#107
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I must confess I'm not really impressed about having Poland on the expansion pact (if there will be any). You're all discussing what leader the Polish should have, but you didn't say whether they are expansionist, religious, etc. Nor the Polish special unit!

Good luck!

	07-10-2001 14:42									#108
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. If you had bothered to read the couple of dozen previous posts, you would have found out that we have already disscussed those issues.

	07-10-2001 15:09									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Zealot I must confess I'm not really impressed about having Poland on the expansion pact (if there will be any). You're all discussing what leader the Polish should have, but you didn't say whether they are expansionist, religious, etc. Nor the Polish special unit! Good luck!

If next time you could just talk about a subject you have some idea about, it would be helpful. Thank you

	09-10-2001 14:33									#110
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Zealot, read carefully this thread.

BTW, had we Portugese in the game, they would't be expansionist, religious, etc. but they would obviously stick to saudades approach .

Poles do not share saudades feeling, as we went through the Golden Age what we miss is our Civ in the Expansion Pack.

	09-10-2001 14:55									#111
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... all this is quite interesting. A lot of information about Poland and Polish....

	09-10-2001 15:01									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Messer Niccolò ... all this is quite interesting. A lot of information about Poland and Polish....

Thanks, we are glad you like it

	09-10-2001 16:19									#113
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quote: Originally posted by LoD Now, wait, I take that back. I am writing this post mostly to dispel a myth quite popular among posters here. And this myth is: Poland is some puny country in Eastern Europe, which was never powerful and who's only inventions are kielbasa and pierogies

Hm, kielbasa is a common sausage. Pirogis are also Russian. This leaves you only as 'puny country in EE'

	09-10-2001 20:16									#114
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LaRusso: You're right about the pierogies - they generally indigenous to the entire region, but I was reffering to a popular stereotype. And you won't find any good sort of real kielbasa (kielbasasort ?) outside of Central/Eastern Europe, I assure you .

	09-10-2001 20:18									#115
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"comon" "also"

but not the same


and don't forget we have bigos

Do not slight the power of 'bigos'

[and no, this thread isn't joke!]

	09-10-2001 23:38									#116
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Poland should be in because the Copernicus obeservatory is in CIVIII. And you cant have Copernicus with out Poland.Also how can you have WWII with out Poland ??



Polish Inventions that americans know of:
Vodka
Kielbasa(sasuage)
Pierogi(100%Polish)

	10-10-2001 05:59									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Staszek Poles do not share saudades feeling, as we went through the Golden Age what we miss is our Civ in the Expansion Pack.

Didn't get it...

	10-10-2001 12:24									#118
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quote: Originally posted by bogi Poland should be in because the Copernicus obeservatory is in CIVIII. And you cant have Copernicus with out Poland.Also how can you have WWII with out Poland ??

hehe, what are tanks without polish cavalry charging at it...yeah. IMHO Arabs should be in there first.

	10-10-2001 12:30									#119
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso hehe, what are tanks without polish cavalry charging at it...yeah. IMHO Arabs should be in there first.

Geez. The popularity of this totally unhistoric rumours is staggering.

As a matter of fact, one communist guy made a SYMBOLIC film to show how the pre-war anti-communist democracy was lousy, and he put in the scene of Polish cavalry charging at tanks. For some reason that scene rose to represent the Polish WWII field tactics, which is simply untrue.

I repeat: Polish cavalry was NOT charging tanks in WWII.

	10-10-2001 12:35									#120
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sorry, i read that in a dutch history of the ww2. one of the best books (3 volumes) ever written on the topic.
poland is a great nation, but i do not feel that it is 'The Civ' like e.g. Spain or Arabs. I really do not want to hurt anyone's feelings. The fact that you survived between Germans and Russians speaks for itself