20-04-2001 09:22									#1
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Please post any comments you may have on the revised Great Library Index which will shortly appear as a new thread.

Ming will lock the Index thread - so PLEASE MAKE YOU COMMENTS HERE

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SG(2)

	19-04-2001 22:30									#2
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Welcome to the Great Library Discussion.

(note: since it was the first post, I can't delete it without deleting the whole thread)

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	19-04-2001 23:20									#3
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Welcome to the Great Library!

The Great Library is an index linking Apolytoners to the collective knowledge found on these forums. There are different types of information to be found - discussions, condensed threads, documents, strategies. It is a work in progress. As such, there is much to do. You can help!

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Info: threads contain all the tested knowledge about a particular topic. The archives have been scoured, and all relevent info condensed into one complete thread.

There has been interest shown in expanding the number of Info: threads, as they are a one-stop authority on the topic at hand. If you would like to contribute to the Great Library, see

The Great Library: a hierarchical structure

for topics. Use this as a starting point of what material to seek to add to your Info: thread. Use this GL Discussion thread to post:

• What you are working on for submission to the GL Index
  
• Requests for testing for your Info: thread
  
• Other relevent comments or helpful insights

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	19-04-2001 23:52									#4
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The deed is done.
The OLD Great Library thread has been archived and can be found at: http://apolyton.net/forums/Archives...9-3-001371.html

I've left a copy of it in this forum so people know what is happening, but it is now closed to new posts, and will drop like a rock

The index thread is now locked on top, and the discussion thread is locked in place right below it. I hope this arrangement will work for everybody.
Let's stay in touch so I can help you update the index as needed.

Again, A BIG THANK YOU to ALL the people that have contributed in any way to this important project. The Civ Community is better off because of it!

Keep on Civin'

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	20-04-2001 00:29									#5
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SG,
There is too much of empty lines in your "Great Library Index" IMHO

Since we know thread by their name, I would keep both
- original name of the thread
- short description (Next available technology)
(using two columns in a html table)

I would start the first post with internal links to NEW TO THIS SITE?, NEW TO CIV2?... (see a start of my or Marquis' condensed thread)

quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits Many interesting threads have probably not been included, so please tell us about them.

You should start a new thread for that purpose and include a link.

quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq Finally, I think the compiled "info" type threads (diplo/spy variety) should have precedence over other threads with the same topics.

SG, you could just accentuate these threads (using bold or another color) and to say what this accentuation means.

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	20-04-2001 02:45									#6
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SG,
could you add the link to archived "Apolyton's Great Library" thread in your first post here?

Ming,
many links refer to "Apolyton's Great Library" thread now. Could you add one post that will explain that the debate continue here and add a link?

quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq I will create a document for all city improvements and wonders.

Did you read my comment on the beginning of page 5 of "Apolyton's Great Library" thread?

quote: I call for someone to make an Info: thread about trade, as well.

I think La Fayette is specialized to trade, but he is at holiday...

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Marquis de Sodaq, SG(2),
I have a suggestion: I would split Marquis' post "Welcome to the Great Library!" into two parts:

1st part would contain sentences that describes what is a "info" thread. SG would add it as one paragraph (besides NEW TO THIS SITE?, NEW TO CIV2?... ) to the first post of "Great Library Index".
(Marquis, could you add a link to "The Great Library: a hierarchical structure" thread in part 1? )

2nd part (related to the purpose of this thread) would be added to SG's first post here.

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I have upgraded "The Great Library: a hierarchical structure". Marquis, could you improve the english? But you have to be successful with a transfer of html.

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	20-04-2001 19:09									#8
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SG2, when you swipe the needed text from my post 3 for your first posts (in this thread and the GL), I'll remove it from mine.
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	20-04-2001 19:13									#9
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Great work everybody, I'm stunned!

Carolus

	20-04-2001 19:27									#10
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I am working on some research to replace a list of data and another list of data in the GL. I find that those lists are far from complete and so far seem to be the maximum beakers required for each tech. I have been posting some of my unexpected findings to This Thread I expect to be done the beaker count tables for small medium and large (both min and max) within four or five days.

	20-04-2001 19:57									#11
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A lot of work on show here, and very polished. We all benefit.

Congratulations and thanks to those who have done the work.

SGs - the Library was your baby at the outset and you have been at the forefront throughout the process that has made it serviceable. Your offspring does you proud.

I started a thread to-day about the (possible) sneak attack bonus. If confirmed it would (I think) merit a line in the combat paper. I could undertake a more extensive test but lack the arithmetical skills to arrive at a value for the bonus (assuming it is confirmed). So if any with more skill wish to open their lab on that one please say.

Must say, this forum really rocks just now. A great place to visit!!!

	20-04-2001 20:21									#12
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EST I am pretty good at math. After I am done my pet project I will help you on yours msg me if you want any help.

	20-04-2001 23:29									#13
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Anybody who uses html tables and has problems with empty rows (Mixam...), see a bold text here.
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	21-04-2001 00:35									#14
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Ok ST I don't get it I tried and found no info on how to get rid of blank space.

	21-04-2001 03:34									#15
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Mixam,
you have to substitute every EOL in the html source by a space.

I use MSWord and Ctrl-H.
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	21-04-2001 03:44									#16
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ST What does Ctrl-h do? I spent like an hour going through my table and removing all the EOLs. Never mind ST I figured it out you just search/replace for ^p and replace it with a space. Thanks again
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	21-04-2001 15:57									#17
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Mixam, my Word has a Ctrl-H shortcut for the search/replace function...

Edited:
I hope you know the "replace all" button
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	22-04-2001 09:03									#18
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Yep know the replace all button. All came into place after I realized you could search for end of lines. It took me a while to figure out that end of line was ^p though

	22-04-2001 07:46									#19
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I predict that this Great Library will become very famous.

Well done, Scouse Gits, a labor of love!

	23-04-2001 08:37									#20
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Get to Work!

There are many specific situational tests that need to be run to verify certain defense modifiers in the info: Combat (GL) thread. My time is rather limited, please help with testing!
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	28-04-2001 14:02									#22
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GL Index Updated

We have now included further information on beakers/tech gifting, OCC logs for size one cities and Xin Yu's X-Pack.

Many thanks to all the posters above who have offered their approval of the Great Library Index.

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SG(2)

	04-05-2001 16:38									#23
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I propose William Keenan's slot property paper for inclusion (unless it's there somewhere already and I'm missing it).

'Fraid I can't remember where it is to be found but the librarians or I could ask him for a link.

	05-05-2001 09:45									#24
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As if this game didn't waste enough of my time already!!! Now I've got to contend with digesting information that will make Civ II even more enjoyable.

The Great Library in Apolyton is absolutely the most incredible piece of work I've seen in years. Congratulations to all who put this together.
The game, this site (Apolyton), and the people I've met here are the best.

'Nuff said.



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	10-05-2001 09:10									#27
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I can't get those links to work, SlowThinker. But I found one that does in a "trade routes" thread in Civ2 Strategy archives (it doesn't seem to cut and paste into this post).

Do we have any process to follow to arrange the addition of material to the Library index.

PS One of the links now works (my machine must have been running slow) but it is to William's Barbarian paper. I am proposing the addition of his paper entitled Advance Slot Properties which helpfully lists out all the effects of each advance, including for example some of the effects on trade where the demand for or supply of commodities is triggered by a particular advance.
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	17-05-2001 16:49									#30
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Our e-mails are in the profiles, but I SG1 am git1@scousers.net and SG2 is (surprisingly ) git2@scousers.net

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