01-10-2001 03:39									#1
	World Map Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

I'm sorry if I'm bringing up old points. I've only recently returned to the Civ3 section...

Is there going to be a world map as before? What's the biggest size world map that will be included with the game?

	01-10-2001 03:46									#2
	Inflate your Upload Space

I would give you the standard "where have you been" remark but you already explained yourself.

Yes, there will be world maps. Firaxis would be very stupid not to (one of the CtP games didn't come with one and there was an uproar). The biggest will be roughly 6 times as big as the biggest world map from CivII.

	01-10-2001 03:48									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote: The biggest will be roughly 6 times as big as the biggest world map from CivII.

:drools:

	01-10-2001 03:50									#4
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Yeah, ain't it great?

Turn off your away message!

	01-10-2001 03:52									#5
	Increase the size of your Attachments

IIRC, the 6x bigger was the maximum map size. I don't think Firaxis will bundle a map that big, but one that is will probably be on the 'Net soon after the games release.

	01-10-2001 03:55									#6
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

lets hope so!

I'll give $100 dollars to the first person that sends me a really well done world map at 256x256

*note - by reading this message you void all monetary claims for your map

	01-10-2001 03:56									#7
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

If that is true then the max. CivII map size was...uh 42? I'm very sure Mr. Magaha said world map.

	01-10-2001 03:58									#8
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

that's 42.6666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666

	01-10-2001 04:55									#9
	Tired of ads?

mhhhh... thats like 20+ cities in England alone

	01-10-2001 05:13									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I really hope the maps are accuarate. It would be nice if they compensated for the distortions caused by turning the earth from a sphere into a cylinder. In the Civ2 maps Russia was far too large and places like India too small.

It was also be good if they were more careful about the fertility of different regions. In the real world, most of Central Asia makes very poor farmland and cannot support a large population. The top part is unihabitable tundra, than its thick, snow-coated forest, then a strip of habitable land big enough to support about one row of cities from the Baltic to the Pacific and the rest is either very arid or mountainous. In Civ2 it is this wonderful, huge grassland that fed and housed the bulk of the world's population. Not very historically correct. In reality it is only coastal regions (due to rain) and river valleys that have been able to support large populations.

They should also provide some habitable land on the western coast of South America since that is where most of its civilizations have been concentrated.

	01-10-2001 05:20									#11
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by orange that's 42.6666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666

You forgot, oh, about an infinite number of sixes. (that means shut up!)

Lumpkin, there really isn't any other way to make a world map that uses square tiles accurate. There will be some distortion unless you create a sphere (something that isn't going to happen).

	01-10-2001 05:31									#12
	Full PM-box? Change here!

I found a user-made one on the internet which was a great deal more accurate than the one that came with Civ2. I can fish it out for you if you like.

I also modified by scenario map to try and make it more accurate, at least in regard to the Central Asia problem.

	01-10-2001 06:05									#13
	Inflate your Upload Space

Central Asia in the Civ2 world map was mainly desert plains and forest. I don't remember much grassland...

	01-10-2001 07:48									#14
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: Originally posted by Lumpkin I found a user-made one on the internet which was a great deal more accurate than the one that came with Civ2. I can fish it out for you if you like. I also modified by scenario map to try and make it more accurate, at least in regard to the Central Asia problem.

I'd be very interested in that map, dude.

	01-10-2001 11:10									#15
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Orange,

Just wanted to tell you that your icon (or avatar or whatever) has to be the coolest of all time! The ever-changing map of Europe is awesome. I spent most of my time on this thread memorized by it!

How did you set it up?

	01-10-2001 11:56									#16
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

If Civ 3 is going to allow huge maps, I hope that they've dramatically increased the maximum number of cities that can be built. Even with Civ 2's smaller world map 256 cities was not nearly enough (especially on the latest large world maps)

	01-10-2001 14:10									#17
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Case If Civ 3 is going to allow huge maps, I hope that they've dramatically increased the maximum number of cities that can be built. Even with Civ 2's smaller world map 256 cities was not nearly enough (especially on the latest large world maps)

I hope so, especially given the fact that 16 civs will be playing.

	01-10-2001 15:38									#18
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Originally posted by Case If Civ 3 is going to allow huge maps, I hope that they've dramatically increased the maximum number of cities that can be built. Even with Civ 2's smaller world map 256 cities was not nearly enough (especially on the latest large world maps)

I hope so too... see me my thread.

	01-10-2001 17:50									#19
	Full PM-box? Change here!

quote: Originally posted by Falconius Orange, Just wanted to tell you that your icon (or avatar or whatever) has to be the coolest of all time! The ever-changing map of Europe is awesome. I spent most of my time on this thread memorized by it! How did you set it up?

Haha, thanks

Actually there are much cooler ones...if you visit the Off-Topic (I don't know if you've ever posted there) You'll see lots of other cool ones.

The map of Europe is from a game of "Diplomacy"...have you ever played it? Well, my avatar is a game that I won playing as Austria-Hungary. I just saved each map and made it into a small animated Gif (Red is Austria Hungary...I had allied victory with Germany - Grey)

	01-10-2001 18:09									#20
	Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by orange lets hope so! I'll give $100 dollars to the first person that sends me a really well done world map at 256x256 *note - by reading this message you void all monetary claims for your map

LOL I already have a bitmap version of a 256x256 map, I'm going to convert it once I get Civ3. You can send a check to.... JK

	01-10-2001 18:27									#21
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Is there a way to convert bmp to civ3 like there was in Call to Power II??

	01-10-2001 19:01									#22
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

LOL SoulAssassin! If you do actually have a map all planed out, by all means upload it here (after converting to .gif or .jpg) and let us all see it

Im gonna have fun with these big maps, and 16 civs on them too. I found in Civ 2 i ran out of foreign civilizations too quickly, and most games i only have 1 or 2 other civ in the industrial/modern ages. This way, they should last longer Yay!

I Civ 3

	01-10-2001 23:29									#23
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by orange Is there a way to convert bmp to civ3 like there was in Call to Power II??

I hope so...

	01-10-2001 23:40									#24
	Support Apolyton

quote: Originally posted by Lumpkin I found a user-made one on the internet which was a great deal more accurate than the one that came with Civ2. I can fish it out for you if you like. I also modified by scenario map to try and make it more accurate, at least in regard to the Central Asia problem.

HEY, I SAID GIMMEEEE!!!

	02-10-2001 00:09									#25
	Increase Your PM Length

Boris, just look in the downloads section of Apolyton - there are plenty of World maps that are much more accurate and much larger than the official one.

	02-10-2001 00:43									#26
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

yeah, Apolyton is more than just a forum you know

	02-10-2001 02:30									#27
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

It can be found at the following address:

http://gene.wins.uva.nl/~jvermeir/civ2/

Note that there are two world maps on the site - one called "mercator" and one called "earth". The one I was talking about is mercator but they are probably both very good.

I actually modified it a little so that the semi-jungle areas looked more natural. I also extended the north pole to make it impossible to move between the atlantic and the pacific via the north coast of Asia and North America. I thought this was more realistic since they are always frozen up and unavigable for normal boats.

Last edited by Lumpkin on 02-10-2001 at 02:47

	02-10-2001 02:55									#28
	Remove this text

NOTE TO ALL :

hello everyone, im still lingering around if you remember me, if you do its probably "what does this idiot have to say".

Well this post is a serious one, first i would like to send my greivences to any who might have lost a loved one or dear friend in the events of september 11th.

Secondly i would like to say i cant wait for Civ 3.

I will take part in creating a Very accurate world map using the largest scale. With the new improvments to the map editor i should be able to create an impressive simulation of real world features and terrain. so if there are any scenario makers out there that dont have the time to make a map or just want to compare i recomend at least glancing at mine, you wont be dissapointed.

Ill Be using primarily National Geographic's Atlas of the World Revised 6th edition and secondarily Peters atlas of the world for information.

Last edited by Draco aka Se7eN on 02-10-2001 at 03:10

	02-10-2001 03:41									#29
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by Draco aka Se7eN NOTE TO ALL : hello everyone, im still lingering around if you remember me, if you do its probably "what does this idiot have to say". Well this post is a serious one, first i would like to send my greivences to any who might have lost a loved one or dear friend in the events of september 11th. Secondly i would like to say i cant wait for Civ 3. I will take part in creating a Very accurate world map using the largest scale. With the new improvments to the map editor i should be able to create an impressive simulation of real world features and terrain. so if there are any scenario makers out there that dont have the time to make a map or just want to compare i recomend at least glancing at mine, you wont be dissapointed. Ill Be using primarily National Geographic's Atlas of the World Revised 6th edition and secondarily Peters atlas of the world for information.

ANYONE at all with an interest in making map PLEASE check out Harlans thread " Psst... new resources for scenario makers." Harlan has an extrem++++detailed webpage with tons of great maps.
but i cant provide a link (sorry)

	02-10-2001 06:43									#30
	Put an end to popups!

Harlans New Resources For Scenario Makers Thread