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America an independent tribe?
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47.28% |
| No! Only civilized nations deserve to be independent! |
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42.05% |
| I don't care. |
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10.68% |
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100% |
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TCO
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Jan 1970
time: 00:15
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Originally posted by MacTBone
Wheee, I'm taking a linguistics course and I get to use what I've learned!
I. Proto-Indo-European
A. Germanic
1. German
2. English
3. Dutch
4. Danish
5. Swedish
6. Norwegian
7. etc.
B. Celtic
1. Gaelic
2. Irish
3. Welsh
4. etc.
C. Italic (Latin)
1. Italian
2. Spanish
3. French
4. Portugese
5. Romanion
6. etc.
D. Hellenic (Ancient Greek)
1. Greek (They're silly aren't they  )
E. Balto-Slavic
1. Baltic
a. Latvian
b. Lithunanian
2. Slavic
a. Russian
b. Polish
c. Czech
d. Bulgarian
e. etc.
F. Indo-Iranian
1. Indic (Sanskrit)
a. Hindi
b. Bengali
2. Iranian
a. Persian
There you go, we should have these 6 civs plus a Chinese, South American tribe and North American tribe civ and we're done 
Lot's o' fun!
I think the problem we're having is that right now we don't classify divisions with civilization, we use the term country. That's where everyone's stumbling. We have in our mind that a civ must be old, very old. That's not always the case. From now on I will use the word civ instead of country because it will help you understand.
The American civ is the most widely diverse civ ever, in fact it's diversity is the REASON it can be considered a civ. Consider that the American civ has incorporated the ideas and languages of multiple civs, added a few unique elements then called it their own. Much like the English, Romans, and any other Empire that traded heavily with various lands or had multiple peoples call it home.
BTW, I have my posts per page at 100, so there is no page seven for me, but if you look at page one or so, I posted there |
What are the Finns? Basques? Arabs?
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TCO
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Richmond, VA
Jan 1970
time: 00:15
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Originally posted by Arent
6)Me I'm studying international physics in Leipzig. Am I now more intelligent than you? You writing a political book? No, two?? Everyone please read his previous posts (page 7)
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1. That you would so quickly want to show your intellectual d*ck size , shows more about you than others. (Oriel was demonstrating relevant study in the area of our discussion. No reason to think you need to demonstrate your IQ to us...)
2. Oriel was much more temperate, balanced and interesting in his posts than you.
3. Eagerly waiting screed reply...but feel free to surprise me with some depth...would make my day, little physicer...
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Sorry GP, I just can't stand jingoism.
Can get a little rough about it.
Democracy in Usa is dying cause of it.
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dexters
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Vancouver, Canada
Nov 2001
time: 05:15
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Originally posted by Arent
Sorry GP, I just can't stand jingoism.
Can get a little rough about it.
Democracy in Usa is dying cause of it.
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Nah. Europe has far more draconian measures that intrude on people's daily lives, including mandatory DNA sampling in England. Sure, countries like the Netherlands can afford to be free and be totally democratic, but they also get a freeride on defense and their population is so small they can probably be a communist state and do just fine. Small populations are easy to control you know.
As a large scale democracy, the United States is very much alive. Although I would argue that it is a Republican Democracy, and not a parliamentary one. There is a significant difference.
As for Jingoism, Americans can afford to be Jingoisitc because unlike those ungrateful nations who are getting a freeride on so many things, including defense, they do walk the walk, and not just talk the talk.
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Vancouver, Canada
Nov 2001
time: 05:15
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Originally posted by Big Crunch
I have ancesotors going back to 2b.c. from Germany
That would be after 100-odd generations, therefore so do a lot of people. 
it can count itself as one of the most influencial nations to have ever existed.
At present, but in 100 or 1000 years time will it be seen as such. Even after 2000 years the Roman Empire is still remembered as a great empire, after 100 years the British Empire has similar accolades, but the Spanish are largely ignored despite being the world power for longer than the US has currently. |
Well, the Spanish burned themselves out. They basically plundered the new world, and did not see the value of trade as the English/Americans did. I infact resent Spain's plundering of the new world, you rat bastards! 
Even at their height, Spain's Armada could not defeat the British, and the Spanish Armada was what made it great in its global conquest. So it can be argued that Spanish power is simply an illusion, in the sense that even at its height, it was second to the British.
Also, historians might consider the Americans to be part of the British heritage. This means when they write about the rise of the British power, it will include the shifting of power to the United States, but it will be treated as a phase in the historical records, and not a separate event. One can say the British is to the Americans as the Greeks were to the Romans.
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Yes, Europe had not persistently had democratic governments like USA but that only reveals the surface. The practice of mob rule and execution without trial - lynching - in USA did not end until 1968. Racial riots were not uncommon even in the late 1980s such as the confrontation in Forsyth County, Georgia, in 1987. I m not trying to undermine American democracy or freedom, only want to provide a less one-sided view.
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TCO
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Richmond, VA
Jan 1970
time: 00:15
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Sun,
Oh, I know we're not perfect. It's just that we get so much anti-American "balence" (look at this thread for instance) that I have to remind people how TRULY special this place is. Remeber that a big factor in the liberal, urbane Europe that exists know is what the US did to free it from fascism and to protect it from communism.
FYI: I've worked in Europe and have a European born mother and relatives. So I've seen both sides...Sure ther are Americans who don't know much about Europe and have a one-sided view of how great the US. But I actually find that level of ignorance less galling than the pseudo-intellecutal "sophistication" of some coddled Western Euros...
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Fresno
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Europa
Sep 2001
time: 06:15
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GP:quote:
Did I say America was a country only of good? No! You concentrate on our minor flaws, while ignoring our great acheivements. That's childish. Which is more significant? |
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the land of the free and the brave. The bastion of freedom. The good guys who stood up to the Soviets |
This is a very one-sided view, and therefore I tried to nuance it. I also said I don't deny the good things America brought. But apparently, you're not capable of understanding a nuanced view; you only want to read criticism.
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Fresno
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Europa
Sep 2001
time: 06:15
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Moderators, please delete this post.
Last edited by Fresno on 17-11-2001 at 00:02
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May 2001
time: 23:15
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Hey, wasn't the question originally about whether America was OLD ENOUGH to be in Civ 3? If it still is about that, who cares about age? It's about the historical impact the civilization had on the world AND who will buy the most copies of the game. They are staying.
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"Hey, wasn't the question originally about whether America was OLD ENOUGH to be in Civ 3? If it still is about that, who cares about age? It's about the historical impact the civilization had on the world AND who will buy the most copies of the game. They are staying." |
Dont worry man, America is staying no matter wat we say. We are just arguing whether it SHOULD. Yea everyone agree age has little to do with it. Thats why we have deviated from that issue.
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Dauphin
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Caught in a tuna net
Jan 1970
time: 05:15
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just a tad bit of jealousy |
Many times I have heard Americans say how everybody wants to be Americans, or everyone is jealous of America for one reason or another, but a clarification should be made, as its not true.
For example I don't *want* my country to have your lifestyle, economic muscle, military might, but I won't say no to it obviously. I am more concerned with greater standard of living, disposable income, social justices etc...
When it comes to cultural prevalence, it doesn't bother me. Just because McDonalds or Coca-Cola is American doesn't mean that we have been Americanised by them (we aren't about to pick up your notorius gun culture for example), neither has America been Anglicised by watching Teletubbies or the Spice girls. Basically I feel that culture only spreads if it is amenable to the citizens of the country to which it is being exported. Loads of culture nuances have been picked up due to there useful, interesting or entertaining value. Its almost a pick'n'mix - take the "good" culture and ignore the "bad".
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