11-10-2001 03:12									#121
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OK, here is the screen where the saltpetre is listed as a strategic resource. The original can be found at the gallery of www.civ3.com on page 4 in the top right image. This section can be found at the top left of the city screen.

Now salt would be classed as a luxury, there is no way it could be described as a strategic resource. And saltpetre fits the visual description and is an important resource needed in manufacturing gunpowder. I rest my case

	11-10-2001 03:14									#122
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Doh! Forgot to attach the image

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	11-10-2001 03:15									#123
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Ok, thanks for putting me right.

	11-10-2001 03:21									#124
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Well I suppose it is still speculation that that is saltpetre, that was my suggestion, but I couldn't imagine it being anything other. Could Dan or someone from Firaxis confirm this (hint, hint )

	11-10-2001 22:04									#125
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Looking closer to that page on Rubber form Civilopedia (attached in this post again). I think it enables: (the number is the position in the list)
1. Mass Transit System,
6. Machine Infantry
7. Modern Armor
8. Panzer
9. Paratroopers
That is them that I’m quite sure on what it says. Here follows a list of things that is harder to read. ??? = Uncertain guess ??????? = Wild guess
2. SS Export Combine
3. Armor???
4. Artillery ???????
5. Marines ???????
10. Tank ???

I believe the order is alphabetical with improvements first and units after, and it is from that I direct my guesses.

I’ll NOT update the list with any guessed info, but I will update it with the info I’m almost sure of this weekend unless someone objects.

	11-10-2001 22:37									#126
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Okay, I forgot to attach the image and as I want it next to the post about it, and maybe will change the attachment of the first post one day. I attach it to this post.

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	12-10-2001 00:52									#127
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I think that says 'SS Exterior (covering?)' although I cannot make out the rest apart from the ones you have already written down. We will have to wait and see...

Last edited by Provost Harrison on 12-10-2001 at 00:58

	12-10-2001 01:10									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I think that says 'SS Exterior (covering?)' although I cannot make out the rest apart from the ones you have already written down. We will have to wait and see...

You are right about the Exterior Part. The other one I don't know right now. I think it ends with -ine, but it might be -ing. Can someone else comment on this?

	12-10-2001 01:39									#129
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Nope, to me it is totally illegible...

	12-10-2001 01:44									#130
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After I've thought of it, it sounds logical to have rubber as a cover of a Space Ship. That will be added to teh list when I update it next time. (In a day or so, to lazy to do it right now )

	12-10-2001 01:57									#131
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Rubber as a cover for the spaceship? Well it sounds a bit strange to me, and I am not convinced it is covering, it is what it looked like at inspection, although it is virtually illegible.

Also, regarding the saltpetre/mystery white powder thing. If you check earlier city view screens, it is never present (in iron or bronze age). Now if you check the first screenshot (city view) linked in the news article (11.Oct/Civ3: SCREENSHOT CENTRAL), you will notice this white powder (which I claim is saltpetre) AND musketeers present in the city lower down in the screen. I am sure I am right with this one!

	12-10-2001 22:44									#132
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Gramphos, based on the russian civ-of-the-week info, you can add calvary and cossack to the units that need saltpeter. (I wonder if musketmen/musketeers need it too?)

It looks like Provost Harrison was right about the saltpeter as a strategic resource for gunpowder (which, like bronze, is manufactured, not natural). If you require more proof, see:

http://encarta.msn.com/find/Concise...=2&ti=761567051

>Saltpeter was once used in gunpowder and is now found in explosives, fireworks, and matches.

	12-10-2001 23:35									#133
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I'll update the list later tonight to include all rubber stats + all we've learned form today's update.

I also checked a screenshot of the SS and exterior covering is a ss thing. That makes it certain.

	12-10-2001 23:53									#134
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Wood has been strategic material for 3000 years.
From Egyptians to 1700s...
Fleet, you know...

	13-10-2001 00:30									#135
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The list is once more updated. Now with what Rubber enables and saltpeter for sure.

	13-10-2001 05:18									#136
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Damn, I couldn't find this thread anywhere, but I have posted a thread on the issue of saltpeter. I knew the chemistry education would come in useful somewhere

quote: It looks like Provost Harrison was right about the saltpeter as a strategic resource for gunpowder (which, like bronze, is manufactured, not natural). If you require more proof, see:

Yeah, saltpeter is mined and used to manufacture gunpowder. The other components of gunpowder, charcoal and sulphur are very common and thus would not need to be special resources in themselves...

	13-10-2001 06:38									#137
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In order to use iron, you need a minor wonder, which can be produced by a city having access to both iron and coal. You may be able to find it in the info center of civfanatics.com

quote: Originally posted by Gramphos I thought that too, but I was looking for it in one hour without find it, but I've seen it on pictures . Still I don't know for sure whether it is just a Bonus or a Strategic Resource. Can someone help me out.

	13-10-2001 06:44									#138
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Do those numbers under "strategic resources" have some sort of arcane meaning? Any guesses? Any solid answers?

	13-10-2001 23:27									#139
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Confirmation of aluminum, required for (at least) stealth bomber:

http://www.multiplayer.it/show.php3...500/s_img15.jpg

	14-10-2001 00:36									#140
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Cool, that Pepsi Can turned out to be aluminium. I'll update the list later tonight.

	14-10-2001 02:04									#141
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Now the list is updated to include the info from the Stealth Bomber screen.

	14-10-2001 02:11									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Shadowstrike Do those numbers under "strategic resources" have some sort of arcane meaning? Any guesses? Any solid answers?

I believe it is the number of resources of that type that you have access to. But it might as well be something else.

	14-10-2001 05:08									#143
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So for a little bit of background knowledge, I would presume that aluminium resources would represent an abundance of bauxite (aluminium ore). I would expect it wouldn't become available until the discovery of electricity, because before the development of electrolysis which is used to extract aluminium, it was extremely rare and expensive, despite the extreme abundance of it's compounds in the Earth's crust (in fact one of the most abundant elements on Earth). Electrolysis meant the metal could be separated by applying a high voltage across molten aluminium, and the liquid aluminium produced at the electrode removed.

So for it's appearance, I would expect that electricity would be the prerequisite.

But damn, they have called it aluminum, damn American spellings. It is aluminium, ending in -ium like other bleeding metallic element of this form (chromium, magnesium, uranium, mendelevium)

	14-10-2001 14:12									#144
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The layout of the list have been changed to make it easier to read. All colors are placed by a script, which means that I haven't put them out manually, and therefor may some errors exist in the HTML. Let me know if you have some problems.

These colors are used.
Headers: Background: quote color, Text: dark background color
Other, Background: changing between light and dark background. Each row starts with the opposite to the previous. Text: default

	14-10-2001 18:46									#145
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Just a curiosity...
could we all try to see if a particular resource is linked with a fixed
kind of terrain, one or more than one, or random?
May be the "correlation policy" may vary between luxuries and strategical resources...
I think it could be precious to know:
ok, now I need oil, let me get hold of all the deserts in the world!
More on the same:
I got a desert tile with oil, I change it to plains (allow me), why should my oil wells get dry!?!

	14-10-2001 21:18									#146
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I believe that someone have said that each resource can be set on what terrain type it will exist, but if it only is on what terrains it would be generated or on what it can exist I don't know.

	14-10-2001 21:24									#147
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos I believe that someone have said that each resource can be set on what terrain type it will exist, but if it only is on what terrains it would be generated or on what it can exist I don't know.

I admit I have some problems in understanding your reply.
Do you mean there is a "resource map" independent of the "terrain map" and that resources appear only if the tile is adequate? So that if I terraform a tile of sea into land, I might end up with wheat?
Or that I can have a resource on any kind of terrain? (whales on the mountains)
I am quite confused.

	14-10-2001 22:15									#148
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Gramphos

do you have any other screens like the rubber screen? could possibly all strategic resources grant a +2 trade bonus?

	14-10-2001 22:31									#149
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Well, as I have some problem understanding myself too, will I take it one time more.

I don't know how the resources are stored, what I know is that someone (Dan?) said earlier that every resource could be modified to appear on every type of terrain. That is not default I guess, and the later part of my reply was about what would happen when a terrain was changed. I don't know that, but as there is support for having any resource on any terrain type it would be possible to keep the same resource when a terrain is changed, and only check if it is an allowed terrain when the maps are generated.

	14-10-2001 22:34									#150
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quote: Originally posted by korn469 do you have any other screens like the rubber screen?

No, that screen and the Helicopter screen are the only I have.

quote: could possibly all strategic resources grant a +2 trade bonus?

Maybe, but not sure, they could give other bonuses as well.