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JayKay
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Lisboa, Portugal
Oct 2001
time: 05:15
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Originally posted by Jay Bee
Your explanations are fine JK, you've got a point there, but with all the great people born in your country, having Magallanes  there looks definitely weird.
Have you identified my avatar? Probably not, otherwise you would not have told me that funny stuff about "Spaniards from Barcelona calling Figo a traitor ", ha, ha. FC Barca lost and Real Madrid won, as it should always be  |
I understand your point too (and i kind of agree), but i choose Magalhăes because it's the only portuguese in civ 2, and it fuctions like a link of Portugal to Civ 2!!
And i've really noticed your avatar, but that story of Figo wasn't meant to u, but to the adepts of Barcelona who thoght like that!!
By the way, can u give me the Iberian Civ 2 website adress?
(I didn't know there was one)
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Portugal - Nation of Magellan's (from Magellan's Expedition)
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Dessloch
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Poland
Oct 2001
time: 05:15
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no u voted wrong
u cant give spain 40 votes, 20 is max
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XarXo
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of the "I agree"
Jul 2000
time: 05:15
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Please, change the "catalans" category for:
Crown of Aragon/Catalans/Valencians
And also make the following changes:
Spanish -20
Castilla-León/Castillians +20
Last edited by XarXo on 18-10-2001 at 22:31
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Silvagem
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Portugal
Oct 2001
time: 05:15
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quote:
Originally posted by MacTBone
Iberians? and Portuguese... |
Answering to MacTBone and jasev.
You might find it uncommon, but I see no reason to change it, and I will tell you why.
So you say it is strange, right?
But is it stranger than Americans fighting Sioux?? And what about English fighting Celts???
Weren't they in the exact same territory but in different epochs?
Yes they were!
(The Sioux were there long before the Americans were, although they stayed there while the Americans didn't destroy them.)
But those Civs are in the game, aren't them? What's the confusion then?
I guess that most people are not used to hearing about Portugal and Iberia, and when they do, they are confused, because they always think of Spain, which I think is a bit unfair. 
But let me explain.
Iberians would be a Civ playing in the ancient times (starting 1000 BC), whilst the Portuguese and the Spanish would play in 1000 AD and afterwards.
Off course we cannot change the Civ names throughout times, but that would be more correct perhaps.
This is nothing different from what happens with the reason why those other Civs (English/Celts and Americans/Sioux) were put in the game.
Now another matter, once I'm at it.
I like the Spanish people as a whole. We use to call them "nuestros hermanos" which stands for "our brothers". But with all due respect, let us not forget that Portugal is (and always was) a nation by its own rights, which means we are not just a Spanish "province" as many people thinks...
In fact, our country is perhaps the oldest one in Europe (started as a such in 1140 A, and finished its borders in 1267 AD), so we have 734 years of history as a nation!!!
Who can beat that?
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Leppersson
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near the road
Oct 2001
time: 05:15
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quote:
Originally posted by XarXo
Please, change the "catalans" category for:
Crown of Aragon/Catalans/Valencians
And also make the following changes:
Spanish -20
Castilla-León/Castillians +20 |
Who else more?
Galicians,
Asturians,
Leonians,
Murcians/Cartagenians,
Andalusians,
Estramadurians...
And Iberian Peninsula as a world's map...
Cool - just for separate scenario...
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Silvagem
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Portugal
Oct 2001
time: 05:15
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Originally posted by Oerdin
Do I have extensive, indepth knowledge of the Khmer & Malian kingdoms? No, however, I would say I probably know more then the average reader in this thread and I certainly know more about world history then the average man on the street. Locutus, I made an evaluative judgement about the relative historical importance based upon certain criteria. [...]
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Congratulations Oerdin!
You spoke like a real specialist in history. I completely agree with you. And I sure agree with your method: "objective criteria", not just personal caprice.
Even more, you did not forget about the Portuguese, like many people does.
It is a Post like this that makes sense in a forum, universal as this one.
People should understand that the most important thing about posting things is about being **objective**, and not just about expressing their own whims (or caprices).
I think most people want to know opinions based on *facts*, not just things like: "I love. Why? Because I do!"
This is totally empty of reason, and just because our words are read by people all over the world, it doesn't mean they are more valid. They will be meaningless, if they haven't something in which to support themselves.
So I ask everyone to be more reasonable and more tolerant towards others opinions, but please, base your opinions in facts as much as possible.
If you are going to use your own taste, than don't impose that on others. We have a saying in Portugal like this:
"Tastes are not arguable!". Because they are not based on objective criteria, but just on personal opinions.
So, although I think everyone's opinion should be welcomed, everyone should be able to understand that those opinions shouldn't be argued about, unless they are based on facts or real things...
Locutus, thanks for all the work and for promoting such an interesting poll.
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Droximus
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Locutus-
Since my revised-Iriqouis vote was disqualified...understandably I suppose, I would like to recast my vote (10 points) for the Confederate States of America.
Thanks.
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mactbone
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Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
Sep 2001
time: 23:15
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I'll NEVER back down from my 6 points to the Empire, NEVER. There were only so many civs I felt needed to be included. Then, I figured, what the hey, they conquered several galaxies, they deserve at least a small nomination, right?
I'd like to say that this is personal opinion, but you better be able to explain your votes, because some people (like myself) are interested in WHY you voted for this or that Civ (Iberians anyone?). After hearing the answer to my Iberian question, I now understand why others may want to vote for them. Personally, I still feel that it's a redundancy worse than the Byzantines or HRE (which I view as fully autonomous from the Germans, thank you very much), but like I said, it's about opinions, because that is the only measuring pole we have. Without it, there wouldn't and couldn't be a top 32 here, everyone would vote the same down the line, making this poll pointless. Having opinions is what is making this thread interesting.
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Jay Bee
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Valladolid, CA
Jan 1970
time: 06:15
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quote:
Originally posted by Leppersson
Who else more?
Galicians,
Asturians,
Leonians,
Murcians/Cartagenians,
Andalusians,
Estramadurians...
And Iberian Peninsula as a world's map...
Cool - just for separate scenario... |
Wow Leppersson, I'm impressed by your knowledge of the Spanish nations!  Answering your question, people are voting for scots, welsh, irish in addition to the english. One might argue that all these nationalities could fit into a generic british civ.
Being serious now, I agree, this is fine for a scenario or modpack, not for the regular game. Incidentally, there is indeed a Spanish nations modpack out there...
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