19-10-2001 22:32									#151
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quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee ...people are voting for scots, welsh, irish in addition to the english. One might argue that all these nationalities could fit into a generic british civ...

Wow, so I'm changing my vote:
Poles 20
Slavs 20
Polans 20
Vistulians 20
Silesians 20
Pommeranians 20
Masovians 20
OK, Czech 10
Slovak 10

OK forget it, just kidding...

	20-10-2001 01:23									#152
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Hi!
Here are my votes :
Mali - 20
Mongol - 20
Spain - 20
Carthage - 10
Hebrew - 10
Ottomans - 10
Polynesia - 10
Vokings - 10

	20-10-2001 19:32									#153
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quote: Originally posted by Leppersson Who else more? Galicians, Asturians, Leonians, Murcians/Cartagenians, Andalusians, Estramadurians... And Iberian Peninsula as a world's map... Cool - just for separate scenario...

Oh yes!! ALWAYS the same!! "If we include it, we must include all the other ones". You believe in your words or only want annoy us? This is the same pathetic recurse that uses the ones that yet have an indepentent state to say us "enough states in the world". So countries like Ireland are only a piece of England? Or Poland from Germany? Or better: Is Eritrea a part of Ethiopia? Serbians and Croats are the same ones? Japanese and Koreans?

Ok, looking that you know a bit more from the Iberian Peninsulae:

The SPAIN idea was conformed by the unity of:

- Castilla-Leon (that's why I voted it)
- Portugal (voted before)
- The Crown of Arargon

¡Only 3! And now let's to show why THE THREE ONES should be included:

Portugal: Great naval achievments, unique culture (speak galego-portugueis, and not, galego isn't a separate language). Have Brazil in the same cultural wave.

Castilla-Leon: Think in the central piece of Spain for it, and the countries in South America.

Crown of Aragon: Controlled all the naval trade in Europe, had the biggest city in Europe (València), advanced political structure,
separate culture from Castilla. We created all the basis for the Naval Code used in Europe until the XIX. Controlled military all the Mediterranean Sea. More than 500 years of history as an independent state. 4 wars/revolutions for obtain again the independence. Isn't enough?

That's all. I'm not speaking of 12 useless tribes like zulus or iroquois, or the hellenic city states! If you want a unique civ for us, ok, let's to vote IBERIANS.

	21-10-2001 09:20									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Silvagem I didn't know about the Scots. I'm not an expert in world history. But, Hey Oerdin, you could have let that one pass by, couldn't you! I won't argue with you, though.

Sorry silvagem. I should have phrased it more gently but my father is from Scotland so nation pride compelled me. :-)

	22-10-2001 17:42									#155
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España: 20 puntos.
Bizancio: 20 puntos.
Cartago: 20 puntos
Fenicia: 20 puntos.
Maya: 20 puntos.
Inca: 20 puntos.
Azteca: 20 puntos.
Sefardí: 20 puntos.

Vale así? it's ok?

	23-10-2001 00:07									#156
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No, not OK.
You should use English

	23-10-2001 00:49									#157
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quote: Originally posted by XarXo Oh yes!! ALWAYS the same!! "If we include it, we must include all the other ones". You believe in your words or only want annoy us? This is the same pathetic recurse that uses the ones that yet have an indepentent state to say us "enough states in the world". So countries like Ireland are only a piece of England? Or Poland from Germany? Or better: Is Eritrea a part of Ethiopia? Serbians and Croats are the same ones? Japanese and Koreans? Ok, looking that you know a bit more from the Iberian Peninsulae: The SPAIN idea was conformed by the unity of: - Castilla-Leon (that's why I voted it) - Portugal (voted before) - The Crown of Arargon ¡Only 3! And now let's to show why THE THREE ONES should be included: Portugal: Great naval achievments, unique culture (speak galego-portugueis, and not, galego isn't a separate language). Have Brazil in the same cultural wave. Castilla-Leon: Think in the central piece of Spain for it, and the countries in South America. Crown of Aragon: Controlled all the naval trade in Europe, had the biggest city in Europe (València), advanced political structure, separate culture from Castilla. We created all the basis for the Naval Code used in Europe until the XIX. Controlled military all the Mediterranean Sea. More than 500 years of history as an independent state. 4 wars/revolutions for obtain again the independence. Isn't enough? That's all. I'm not speaking of 12 useless tribes like zulus or iroquois, or the hellenic city states! If you want a unique civ for us, ok, let's to vote IBERIANS.

Take it easy, man?
You need a little bit sense of humor...

	23-10-2001 01:41									#158
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Now, now, Leppersson, like I said before, there's nothing wrong with voting in any other language than English, as long as you're an Apolytoner (and alf's prince status & registration date confirm that).

Just to make sure I didn't screw up the translation (and to help out those of us who don't speak any Spanish), here's what I believe to be the English version of alf's vote (anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong):

Spanish: 20 points.
Byzantines: 20 points.
Carthaginians: 20 points.
Phoenicians: 20 points.
Maya: 20 points.
Inca: 20 points.
Aztec: 20 points.
Hebrew: 20 points.

If this is accurate, then there are a two problems with the vote: (1) the Aztecs are already in the game so I can't count that vote and (2) the Carthaginians and Phoenicians are (at least for the purpose of this poll) one and the same so I can only count one of those two.

Now, if alf needs a Spanish translation for the above he'll have to ask Jay Bee or some other Spanish poster about it 'cause I'm not *that* good


BTW, I'll update the ranking tonight or tomorrow morning.

	23-10-2001 02:54									#159
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Locutus, your translation of alf's picks was perfect. I'll take care of the explanations in case he does not understand your post (but I think he will anyway).

	23-10-2001 04:46									#160
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When I come to this forum, 8 out of the 15 threads on the first page alone are about XP civs.

I think I won't be coming back here for a while.

	23-10-2001 15:33									#161
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Ranking updated: last update: alf, 204 votes, 31273 points. Congrats to jasev on casting the 200th valid vote

I also added links to the 'Expansion Pack Civs Explained' threads in the first post, as those are very relevant for this thread (though I may need to move it to the second post in the near future as I'm getting extremely close to the 20000 character max).

I updated my own vote as well: Hebrew -10, Olmec +10. Thanks to the new 'XPC Explained' threads I've come to agree with some of the other people around here that the Hebrew weren't quite as important as some other civs (besides, they already have plenty of points), while I was never quite happy with the fact that I had withdrawn my vote for the Olmec...

Anunikoba,
Maybe you should increase the number of threads per page n your preferences?

	23-10-2001 15:41									#162
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Congrats to jasev on casting the 200th valid vote

Thank you thank you. It's a great honor to receive this award. It was not an improvised work, but it wouldn't have been possible without my supporting team.

	23-10-2001 19:09									#163
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Either remove the fat Lumpkins or add the poodles.

	23-10-2001 19:25									#164
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@ jasev

GP,
I (reluctantly) accepted Lumpkin's vote because it's apparently some character/nation/whatever from Lord of the Rings and (to the best of my knowledge) humanoid. Your poodles (and about a dozen other dog races that have been suggested so far) are not humanoid so I didn't accept them.

I know, it's a very thin line but I have to draw it somewhere...

	23-10-2001 19:29									#165
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Top 16 with bars updated as well.

	23-10-2001 19:31									#166
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quote: Originally posted by Leppersson No, not OK. You should use English

Por qué? (why?)

	23-10-2001 19:41									#167
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Now, now, Leppersson, like I said before, there's nothing wrong with voting in any other language than English, as long as you're an Apolytoner (and alf's prince status & registration date confirm that). If this is accurate, then there are a two problems with the vote: (1) the Aztecs are already in the game so I can't count that vote and (2) the Carthaginians and Phoenicians are (at least for the purpose of this poll) one and the same so I can only count one of those two..

Thanks, Locutus, sorry but my english is awful... but my spanish is very god, ja,ja,ja.
Well, change Aztecs for Portugal, and Fenicios for Ottomans, is now correct?
Locutus, congratulations, you are a good guy(?) in spanish, eres un tio "cojonudo", ja,ja,ja
JB can traslate, "cojonudo"????

	23-10-2001 20:08									#168
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Great job, Gramphos.

alf,
According to this online dictionary "cojonudo" means "f*cking great"

I wish my dictionary at home would be so...ehm, candid

	23-10-2001 20:16									#169
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Great job, Gramphos.

It is all your work. (Except for the calculation fields I made before.) I just copy and paste.

	23-10-2001 21:34									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus "cojonudo" means "f*cking great"

Err... I thought cojonudo had something to do with the one who's got more than some cojones

But again I might be mistaken...

	23-10-2001 21:55									#171
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yeah, 'f*cking great' is pretty accurate. If you preder something more delicate just use 'awesome'

	23-10-2001 22:32									#172
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus @ jasev GP, I (reluctantly) accepted Lumpkin's vote because it's apparently some character/nation/whatever from Lord of the Rings and (to the best of my knowledge) humanoid. Your poodles (and about a dozen other dog races that have been suggested so far) are not humanoid so I didn't accept them. I know, it's a very thin line but I have to draw it somewhere...

No sweat, big guy. You've been a real gentleman the whole way.

BUT, was I at least the FIRST to suggest poodles, kittycats, and some pro/college sportsteams? I need to salvage some ego...

	23-10-2001 23:27									#173
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quote: Originally posted by alf Por qué? (why?)

Just because most of do not speak Spanish. It is English Forum.
If not I am voting:
Niemcy 20
Wêgrzy 20
W³osi 20
¯ydzi 20
Samojedzi 20
Matkojebcy 20

	23-10-2001 23:57									#174
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Here's my vote:

Portuguese 20 votes
Spanish 20 votes

Byzantines 20
Huns 20
Tibetans 20
Sumerians 20
Turks 20

And Celts 20

(I really hope there is a Expansion with Portugal and Spain :

WE DIVIDED THE WORLD IN 1494!

(Treaty of tordesilhas - ratified by the Pope)

	24-10-2001 00:43									#175
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Kay; I guess I should vote here;
Polynesians - 20
Incas -20
Inuit - 20
Australian Aboriginies - 20
Slavs - 20
Welsh - 20
Fatty Lumpkins -1
Tibetans - 20

	24-10-2001 03:02									#176
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Mongols - 20
Spanish - 20
Vikings - 20

Arabs - 15

Dutch - 5 (edited: dropped after seeing Fresno's (aka Akaoz, according to who started that post)) American thread & his obvious troll desire to start a feud with the Americans, I don't care to have the Dutch in any more. Oligarf's 1st post in that thread kept this from going to 0)
Inca - 7
Phoenicians/Carthaginians - 7
Turks/Ottoman - 7

Australians - 11 (edited: was 6, raised after reading Mongoloid Cow's & Skanky Burn's posts)
Brazilians - 11 (edited: was 6, raised after reading some of Craftsman's & Alexnm's posts)
Byzantines - 6
Czech - 6
Hungarians - 6
Huns - 6
Poles/Polish - 6
Swedes - 6
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Total = 159

Anyways these votes have little influence, but they are my votes

Last edited by Pyrodrew on 24-10-2001 at 12:25

	24-10-2001 16:31									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Leppersson Just because most of do not speak Spanish. It is English Forum. If not I am voting: Niemcy 20....

Niemcy is Germany in polish, I think so...
There are a traslator on line spanish-> english, i don't see polish-> english.
The spanish is spoken for 350.000.000, the polish for the tenth part.
In this year have visited Spain 25.000.000 of foreigh.
Perhaps, someday, you visit this wonderful country... will be good that you know some words like, comer, chorizo, jamón, paella, disfrutar, playa, mar, sol, tranquilidad, monumentos, mujer, baile, descanso, siesta, felicidad, vino, cerveza, calimocho, borracho, barato, AMABLE, EDUCADO, TRANSIGENTE, CONSIDERADO, DISPUESTO, ABIERTO.
The lasts words, in capital letters, define the spaniard, mean that when you need anything, information, etc, in Spain, some spaniard help you, though don't speak english, or polish, like me...btw, if you visit Spain, call me, i will help, je,je,je
Espero que te hayas enterado, aunque mi inglés es malísimo.
Otra cosita, tu alias te viene pintiparado,... serás de Lepe?, ja,ja,ja

Locutus... "cojonudo" literally is that you say... but I meaning that you are AMABLE, EDUCADO, TRANSIGENTE, CONSIDERADO, DISPUESTO, ABIERTO, well, like the many spaniard,... at least my friends, JB, Fiera, Waku, Kindal, Pco, etc,etc, ja,ja,ja

	24-10-2001 16:37									#178
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alf,
I forgot to mention this last time but your new vote (Portuguese & Ottomans) is accepted of course. I'll change it next time I update...

GP,

quote: Originally posted by GP big guy

Obviously, you've never seen me

quote: BUT, was I at least the FIRST to suggest poodles, kittycats, and some pro/college sportsteams? I need to salvage some ego...

Well, I'd love to help you salvage your ego but I'm afraid you weren't the first to vote for dog-races. You were the first to vote for kittycats or sportsteams though, I hope that enough for your ego

Jay Bee,
Yeah, that's a little closer to what one would expect from a dictionary (I'd still prefer the uncensored version though)

Leppersson,
Well, your vote I couldn't accept unless someone would translate it to English for me (yes, I know it's not an actual vote), 'cause you apparently use a different alphabet. I have no idea how to translate something like 'W 33osi' or '_#ydzi' to something sensible

Pyrodrew,
Not that I care but, are you saying that you base your vote not on the importance of these civs but on the behavior of one or two people that happen to be members of these civs? Curious criterium...

More importantly, as I explained numerous time before: don't edit your vote but post an update instead! This way it's impossible for me to keep track of people's votes. Fortunately I wasn't online in the time between your original post and your edit but otherwise I could well have used your unedited vote and never even have seen the edited version.

Edit: alf, coming from a Spaniard, and knowing the pride with which Spanish people can speak of their own country and people, I'll take that as a big compliment

	24-10-2001 17:35									#179
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quote: Originally posted by Leppersson Just because most of do not speak Spanish. It is English Forum. If not I am voting: Niemcy 20 Wêgrzy 20 W³osi 20 ¯ydzi 20 Samojedzi 20 Matkojebcy 20

chooye 20
muje 20
dzikie wê¿e 20

[joke]

good votes leppersson

	24-10-2001 19:55									#180
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Lepperson, Mankind, take it easy. Locuts said a while ago that one can vote in any language in this poll.