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Were You *TRULY* ripped off? (Time out:0 days after 12-10-2001, 10:23)
Yes, I pre-ordered the game, but would not have if I knew that MP was not included
I have not pre-ordered the game, or my pre-order decision was not based on the inclusion of MP
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Nemo is offline Nemo
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Were You *truly* Ripped Off? Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

It has been seen in many threads that some people actually pre-ordered the game with the understanding than MP was included, and would NOT have ordered it otherwise. How many people did this actually happen to?
I pre-ordered it, but I don't play MP so it didn't phase me...but I WANTED to play MP...but I refuse to pay 2 times for the same game...especially when I am already shelilng out $15 more dollars for this game then any other game i have ever bought! (I bought the LE)

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Well Nemo, you only list 2 choices, and my "choice" falls into neither of them.

I will state the following. Yes, it's history and therefore obvious:

CIV Released ---- Later CIVNET Released (for an added cost)

CIV2 Releasd-----Later CIV2MGE Released (for an added cost)

SMAC Released----MP Included

and now:

CIV3 Released----Later CIV3MGE (for lack of a better term) - and rest assured, for an added cost

I am I surprised that CIV3 has gone the way of CIV and CIV2? No.

But after the history of SMAC, I figured CIV3 would have some sort of multiplay - ie, if only over LAN but now I realize that I was wrong.

Will I cancel my order of 2 copies of CIV3? No. I will buy them and then again buy the MP editions of Civ3. Am I happy about this? No....but life does go on...

IMO, a Civilization game involving other human players is by far better than any game with just AIs!

But to answer your question, when I first submitted my preorder, MP was listed as an option to CIV3. Yes, I have been sucked in to pay double for one game....but then again, by the Civilization track record, this is nothing new.

I must add that a Civilization game is the only game that I am willing to pay double for. Am I a fool, a civ fanatic, or what?!

Skanky Burns is offline Skanky Burns
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Aug 2001
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  Old Post 12-10-2001 18:44
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I dont really play MP, so that aspect didnt affect me.

What i dont like is Firaxis' treatment of the whole MP issue. Rather than 'bite the bullet' early early and let their fans know that MP wasnt going to be in at the release, they just ignored the issue until mere weeks before Civ 3's release. They waited until it became a big issue with almost everyone talking about MP and then they let the information out.

This sort of policy is stupid on two counts. Firstly, they have been 'tricking' the MP segment of the Civ fans into buying a product that they otherwise wouldnt have bought. Never a good idea.
Secondly, they have waited until Civ 3 is almost released to let the bad news out. If done earlier, many people would have complained about the lack of MP at release, but they would understand that its not an evil Firaxis plot to screw them, that Firaxis lack the resources/money to have MP done by release time or whatever. Initially, the entire MP community would boycott Civ 3 (as is currently happening), but by the time the release came, some months later, most of the MP community would have 'cooled down' and realised that they would still like the single-player game. Not everyone, mind you, but guaranteed to be more than will currently occur. Better still, this vocal MP community wouldnt be with Firaxis during the release of Civ 3.

Whether this policy comes from Firaxis or Infogames, it definately needs to be reviewed. Bad customer relations always = less customers.

Ozymandous is offline Ozymandous
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  Old Post 12-10-2001 18:55
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*grumble grumble*

SB you repeated what I said.

Oh, I didn't pre-order and won't buy until at least two-three weeks after the game is released. Hopefully people will have settled into the game by then and true reviews will be made instead of the initial "this is great", "fantastic game" phase will have passed onto more objective thoughts about the good and bad aspects.

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quote:
SB you repeated what I said.


Sorry, i dont understand you... Where did you say that??
Unless you're also Wittlich or Nemo

Jason Beaudoin is offline Jason Beaudoin
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  Old Post 12-10-2001 20:15
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I voted no... I was not ripped off, but that was just me. I'm sure that there are some people here that feel differently.

ColdWizard is offline ColdWizard
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  Old Post 12-10-2001 20:17
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i was going to pre-order the game, but luckily happened to hear about the rumors of no MP first, so i decided to wait and see what panned out.

cyril25376 is offline cyril25376
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Jun 2001
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  Old Post 12-10-2001 23:19
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I have preordered civ3, after it was clear that there is no MP. I am a little bit diappointed, but I can hardly wait playing civ3.

Ralf is offline Ralf
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Mar 2000
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  Old Post 12-10-2001 23:36
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I pre-ordered the LE-version despite the fact that I was clearly aware of that MP wasnt going to be included. This have been hinted pretty strongly 5 weeks ago already. Click and read Holy S***! NO Multiplayer Until Spring!

Beats me why this suddenly is a surprise. As for being "ripped off" - I dont get it? Your money isnt drawn from your credit-card until the dealer actually have a physical copy to send away. Just cancel that order, if thats the way you feel about it.

Last edited by Ralf on 12-10-2001 at 23:48

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yes i was ripped off.

Mars is offline Mars
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  Old Post 13-10-2001 03:13
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I don't feel ripped off, not in the least

TechWins is offline TechWins
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For a close depiction of my feelings read Wittlich's post.

Although, I could understand how many people feel ripped off. Especially if you only bought the game for MP. I'm sorry for all of you who did this.

jdd2007 is offline jdd2007
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option number 4-i preordered it and do NOT feel ripped off..

d_dudy is offline d_dudy
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  Old Post 13-10-2001 04:04
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how can you guys make time for mp anyway?

i tried it on ctp's servers and it kinda sucked

ruckus9 is offline ruckus9
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Aug 2001
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  Old Post 13-10-2001 04:53
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I don't see how anyone's getting ripped off. I preordered this but if I didn't like it I can cancel. I usually don't preorder but I have faith in this game. I don't think most people will preorder like I did and by then they'll know there's no MP, so there's no deception there in my eyes. It's a little overboard to me to say that a company ripped you off because they made a change before the game was even made. And if the change is that important to you, why not just cancel?

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wow, 50-6 in favor of "no" looks pretty decisive.

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wow, 50-6 in favor of "no" looks pretty decisive.


Having any Civ fans feeling ripped off by buying Civ 3 is a pretty bad sign

Nemo is offline Nemo
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wow, 50-6 in favor of "no" looks pretty decisive.


it does, doesnt it? i must admit, i thought it was going to be alot closer based on all the griping going on.

Nemo is offline Nemo
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Originally posted by jdd2007
option number 4-i preordered it and do NOT feel ripped off..


ok, we'll put you down for option number 2

Anun Ik Oba is offline Anun Ik Oba
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As usual, the polls show a large margin against the whole MP scandal, if 'scandal' is even the appropriate term.

I can't say that anyone has been ripped off, not yet certainly, and not yet once purchases are made, simply because Firaxis will state, on the box, wether MP is included or not (which btw is NOT).

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54 - 6. Hmmmmmmmmm.................

quote:
Originally posted by Nemo
it does, doesnt it? i must admit, i thought it was going to be alot closer based on all the griping going on.


Just proves that vocal minorities can take advantage of forums such as these.

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Originally posted by Anunikoba
As usual, the polls show a large margin against the whole MP scandal, if 'scandal' is even the appropriate term.


There is no scandal. There is only the griping of a small minority that had unfounded expectations for the initial product. This is typical of any software release - there are always those who expect the unwarranted.

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quote:
Originally posted by Skanky Burns


Having any Civ fans feeling ripped off by buying Civ 3 is a pretty bad sign


no i think not. its even LESS peopel than have been coplaining voted yes

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How much is a video game WORTH? Remove this text

Not how much does it cost, but how much is it worth? Consider the large amounts of hours many of us have spent on Civ2, or, if you like, any game that you've spent 50+ hours playing.
(I'd venture to say Civ2 has eaten up more than 500 hrs of my life, but that might be stretching it.)

Let's do some math:
VIDEO GAME
$50 for 50 hrs = 1$/hr
MOVIE
$5 for 2 hrs = $2.50/hr
BOWLING (mini golf, etc)
$6 for 2 hrs = $3/hr
PORN MAG
$6 for 15 minutes = $24/hr
HOOKER
$100 for 1hr = $100/hr

Please feel free to add to this list, but the bottom line is, even with the extra $30 or whatever for expansion packs, dollar for dollar, video games are one of the cheapest forms of GOOD entertainment. (TV is cheaper, but intellectually stimulating? Not for me unless I'm intoxicated, then it's fascinating) (Also, it's just a point I'm trying to make- Yeah, the cost of computer and stuff will alter this argument, but it has been simplified for easy digestion)

(BTW Hookers are more fun/ hr, but hey, I'm just tryin' to prove a point for those that are complaining about the cost issues of an MP expansion.)

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Originally posted by d_dudy
how can you guys make time for mp anyway?

i tried it on ctp's servers and it kinda sucked


D_Dudy, My roommate and I play the CIV series and the CTP series all of the time - but we don't use any of the game "servers." We always play an "internal" LAN game with me in the Library and my roommate in the Study. So, yes, we play MP quite often, but we don't play over the internet - only over our own internal network we have in our house.

But I do agree with you, Activision's CTP servers leave ALOT to be desired! I tried using their servers at first, but I was NOT impressed!

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Originally posted by cassembler
Let's do some math:
VIDEO GAME
$50 for 50 hrs = 1$/hr
MOVIE
$5 for 2 hrs = $2.50/hr
BOWLING (mini golf, etc)
$6 for 2 hrs = $3/hr
PORN MAG
$6 for 15 minutes = $24/hr
HOOKER
$100 for 1hr = $100/hr



Most games that I buy don't get more than 50 hours of play from me. There are a few favorites though that I spend much time on, and the CIV games are one of them (500hours+). So every CIV purchase I make is worth the money!

But I have to ask, where the heck do you get movie tickets for only $5, and bowling at $3 and hour? Around here, movies cost $9, and bowling is $10 and hour!

And I wouldn't know about the hookers..

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Yeah they were all estimates...
I guess if anything they were *cheap* estimates, so that only makes the argument stronger... But yeah, I got shelves of games I played twice, and yeah, I kick myself for not doing research on them first. I've done the research on Civ3...

And yes, I'll lay down my $50, a whole half of my hooker cash.

(side note: I find it funny that I can post the word "hooker" ok, but not the phrase "magna *** ladde.")

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(side note: I find it funny that I can post the word "hooker" ok, but not the phrase "magna *** ladde.")


You mean "magna *** laude" right?

You also cant talk about the rep from Denton County, **** Armey
the dessert, spotted ****
ex-president Tricky **** Nixon
and so on.

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There is an option missing from this otherwise oversimplified poll. I pre-ordered the game fully aware that it was SP only and I LOOK FORWARD TO PLAYING IT.

Mark, can we have a Civ3 MP forum to get this MP crying off the General?

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Mark, can we have a Civ3 MP forum to get this MP crying off the General?


Please Mark! Please..........

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