12-10-2001 22:30									#1
	It's officially official: No MP Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

From the updated FAQ on civ3.com:

quote: Will there be multiplayer support for Civ III? Civ III will not be shipping with multiplayer included. The single-player experience has always been our main focus throughout the development of Civilization III. However, we're working on some cool multiplayer concepts that will take a fresh approach to the challenge of making multiplayer for a turn-based game fun. Once we have more details to report, they'll be posted on this FAQ.

So there you go.

	12-10-2001 22:32									#2
	Re: It's officially official: No MP Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by ixnay37 From the updated FAQ on civ3.com: quote: Will there be multiplayer support for Civ III? Civ III will not be shipping with multiplayer included. The single-player experience has always been our main focus throughout the development of Civilization III. However, we're working on some cool multiplayer concepts that will take a fresh approach to the challenge of making multiplayer for a turn-based game fun. Once we have more details to report, they'll be posted on this FAQ. So there you go.

Nah, Cybershy will still find a way around it. Even after the game is released, he will still desperately try to find the MP *button* for weeks until it is not found.

Even though it may say *no MP* on the box, although my guess is that they just won't mention anything at all, he will claim it's a typo and if you look hard enough, that MP is really in the game.

	12-10-2001 22:50									#3
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I expect a free third-party PBEM ``enabler'' will appear soon after the game hits shelves.

	12-10-2001 23:22									#4
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what a way to say it

	12-10-2001 23:23									#5
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i wish they could've answered sooner, but i'm glad they did answer.

thanks for posting it ixnay, as i wouldn't have seen it otherwise (i don't go to civ3.com much anymore)

	13-10-2001 00:06									#6
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They will probably have MP strings at least (as in Colonization and Original Civilization II)

	13-10-2001 00:11									#7
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Well, what do you expect? Civ1 had no multiplayer, but Civ Multiplayer shipped later. Despite this, Civ2 came out with no multiplayer. Multiplayer didn't arrive until the second to last update. SMAC may have had multiplayer, but SMAC wasn't intended to be a huge enduring legacy, but an "all at once" kind of game (or at least, that's my impression). Now, surprise surprise, Civ3 has no multiplayer. I imagine Civ3 Multiplayer Gold Edition will hit the shelves in a few years.

If you ask me, it's good they focused on simply making Civ great, rather than bowing to the wishes of the multiplayer community.

	13-10-2001 00:30									#8
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I have to admit I am more than a little bummed about this news. Although, it is good to know the real story at last.

At least they made sure that the SP was in good shape. God help them if the AI or SP isn't very good. We may forgive the no MP thing, but if they screw up the parts that were being focused on instead of MP, they will be in the deepest of dung.

	13-10-2001 00:34									#9
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Hey, if you wan't someone to organize a protest to have MP included in Civ3, I'm your man .

	13-10-2001 00:41									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Ironwood If you ask me, it's good they focused on simply making Civ great, rather than bowing to the wishes of the multiplayer community.

Not trying to start another uber thread about SP vs. MP, but I don't understand the logic that says "if a game has MP then SP will suck".

Since when does a game have to for-go MP to have a good SP experience or have an abysmal SP story, etc, if it has MP?

There are games that have both. Granted they are relatively few and far between, but these two items/issues are NOT mutually exclusive.

	13-10-2001 00:52									#11
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quote: Originally posted by LoD Hey, if you wan't someone to organize a protest to have MP included in Civ3, I'm your man .

You could have all those Poles go to the bug report page over at www.firaxis.com and report no MP in Civ3, but that would just slow the MP progress down as they have to read all reports.

I say let them work alone, and let noone in nor out until MP is ready . Also have Mark to ban all of them from Apolyton

Actually I don't care. I can afford buying more then one game, and I’d play SP from the beginning anyway. (But it would be empty without all that money.)

	13-10-2001 00:54									#12
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quote: Originally posted by jones I expect a free third-party PBEM ``enabler'' will appear soon after the game hits shelves.

If you think for something like civhack for Civ2, I hope you are right.
Still, since CHEAT-MODE is gone I don't know the way to change techs between human players in that kind of game (in HOTSEAT of course).

	13-10-2001 01:25									#13
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Booooo!!!!!!

Perfidious Firaxis.

	13-10-2001 02:58									#14
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Oh well. it will come eventaully.

i'm surprised barely anyone has posted on this thread

	13-10-2001 03:19									#15
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Well, its already been discussed so much, that everyone i( including me) is tired of it. except of course for uberkrux, and his annoying-ass multiplayer posts

	13-10-2001 03:39									#16
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Told you so . . .

	13-10-2001 03:56									#17
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c'mon, those Firaxis guys are kidding on us !
They're having a hard laugh, while the game will just ship with MP !

They tricked you into it, this time, didn't they ?
Hey, nothing to worry about, there will be MP ! Immediately !

[after said this CyberShy opens his window, presses the 'submit' button and.........................]

	13-10-2001 04:51									#18
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Sorry but i don't think it's a joke. There's no MP, sorry but its true. It'll come though, just have to wait 6 months

	13-10-2001 04:55									#19
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Hopefully, the new AI (rewritten completely, BTW) should be much better than the old one . . . Maybe it'll keep us busy until MP comes out.

At least we know more now than before, but it took them long enough . Now the forums are filled with MP vs SP, and we've got at least a dozen threads that are specifically about the issue.

I'm getting sick of the issue myself.

Quit whining, for heaven's sake! It's not the end of the world, and you'll be able to get it soon enough.

	13-10-2001 05:08									#20
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quote: Sorry but i don't think it's a joke. There's no MP, sorry but its true. It'll come though, just have to wait 6 months

you REALLY think it's not a joke ?
C'mon, they're joking all the time on civ3.com !
In fact the whole civ3-hype is one big joke !
You really expect civ3 to exist ?

nah, MP exists, but civ3 ? naaaaaaah.
they're kidding us ! read my lips !

	13-10-2001 05:24									#21
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You re losing it Cyber

btw, anyone remembers that someone asked before that now with civ3 they should release civ2 code?

well, if this turns out to be a total disaster (which I doubt) we can try to beg out old code (surely there wont be ToT2. right? right?? ) from whoever has it, fix the few notorious stupidities, implement culture and resources ....

watch out firaxis, we re not harmless!

	13-10-2001 05:43									#22
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why else...

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...=&threadid=5043

	13-10-2001 06:43									#23
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Umm....that thread was from March...a lot has changed since then

	13-10-2001 08:37									#24
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Ok so CIV3 will ship without MP capability. Am I disappointed? You bet. Am I devastated? Hardly.

I guess I will use this six-month window before the release of CIV3 Multiplayer Gold - Yes, I full-heartedly believe it will be a game you have to buy (HIT: NOT a download), to brush-up on the inner workings of the Single Player CIV3 game. But hey, this IS America and there are dollars to be made in this game...it's just the nature of the business. Life does and will go on...

	13-10-2001 12:26									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Ozymandous Not trying to start another uber thread about SP vs. MP, but I don't understand the logic that says "if a game has MP then SP will suck". Since when does a game have to for-go MP to have a good SP experience or have an abysmal SP story, etc, if it has MP? There are games that have both. Granted they are relatively few and far between, but these two items/issues are NOT mutually exclusive.

Your about as clueless as they come... I have programmed enough games/applications to know that multiplayer/multiuser support is a trivial thing to add. The only reason they won't add it is a, the game is so buggy there is no way it would work. B. They are trying to milk the consumer. I am inclinded to go with A. They haven't released a single product that was even close to stable, i doubt this will be any different. I guess master of orion 3 is the only game worth waiting for. (civ in space) at least they will include multiplayer!

	13-10-2001 14:14									#26
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quote: Originally posted by ixnay37 Umm....that thread was from March...a lot has changed since then

It is actually form March last year, and as I said before I believe that they have made those screens already, but not made the MP code.

	13-10-2001 14:47									#27
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It seems to be SUICIDE...

	13-10-2001 16:18									#28
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quote: You could have all those Poles go to the bug report page over at www.firaxis.com and report no MP in Civ3, but that would just slow the MP progress down as they have to read all reports.

Oh yeah .


Seriously now - in my personal view it is appalling that Civ3 will ship without MP. It is the standard in all modern games, especially strategic. Why strategic? Because, now matter how hard they try, they will not write an AI that would provide for a formidable opponent to a skilled player, without having it cheat.
And, although I'm only an amateur programmer, I can safely say that including an MP feature in the days of DirectX is simple. As markusf suggests, they are trying to make us pay for it, or rather for a future expansion containing it. And I'm not accusing Firaxis without any basis - they have shown how bad their Costumer Relations politics are in the case of SMAC/X.
BTW, I'm betting diamonds against chesnuts that every in every gaming magazine review this will be mentioned as a huge flaw.
Finally - Firaxis, change your attitude towards your customers! If you were forced into this by the distributor, resist! If you were not, reconsider!

	13-10-2001 16:36									#29
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Yeees! Celebrate! I'm really happy about lack of multiplayer in the game, and I'm not joking about this.

	13-10-2001 16:40									#30
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Admit it. You feel relieved there won't be any need for another PBEM ladder .