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Iceland
Sep 2001
time: 05:15
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It's like watching a train wreck, i'm wondering how many ways people can go about complaining about MP and PR.
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jones
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Crazy. You "blind faith"-ers make me sick, too. Next time you say something foolish, and someone agrees with you rather than pointing out your mistake and correcting you, ask yourself "Why did that just happen?"
jones
"Never argue with a man who buys his ink by the gallon"
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Anun Ik Oba
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Grace of God
Sep 1999
time: 00:15
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eohian, I did not mean offense at you personally, and my comment was more a defensive reflex against the generalised statement you made at the end of your post. Your follow up post is right on  The only reason I made my comment against your original post was to clarify that no one has any obligation to anyone as far as CivIII is concerened, except, as you said, if Firaxis and Infogrames wishes to retain consumer patronage, they would go out of their way to satisfy their customers (which they have done most of the time from my perspective).
And my qualms about the whole 'MP Liberation Movement' are not based upon the arguments presented by Yin and others, but rather the witty side remarks that are meant as insults and flames against those posters that openly disagree with them. In fact, I DO agree that the Firaxis PR people (who?) would be able to diffuse the Great Apolyton Civil War by simply posting a small explanation, apology, or SOMETHING concerning the exclusion of MP in the initial CivIII release.
At the same time, I still feel that Firaxis/Infogrames (F/I) has no obligation- legal or otherwise- to explain themselves concerning MP (which in fact, they have done in some of the recent interviews of Firaxians, albeit, in very short form).
I guess what the MP liberation movement really wants is an apology from F/I for so called 'misleading advertising' that assumed MP would be in CivIII on the 30th. I am quite certain that the online stores that 'misrepresented' CivIII in this respect had a footnote stating the 'Subject to Change' disclaimer. Besides an apology, I can't see what else the MP Liberation Movement could hope for. A boycott? Not likely.
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Simpleton
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Edmonton, Canada
Nov 2000
time: 22:15
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Originally posted by yin26
Ummm: BECAUSE WE B!ITHCED ABOUT IT! Good Lord...
All you 'shut up and don't complain' types owe those of us who made our dissatisfaction plainly clear a great deal, the way I see it. Left up to you, we'd still have 8 civs, ICS, and a number of horrid things in Civ.
Been a while since I had a good, long gag reflex. Thanks.  |
I was one of the people who agreed about being pessimistic about the Civ3, which I have since recanted. (I now think think they'll pull it off!)
However, I am sick and tired of all this complaining, which it was it is. Most of these such posts are not constructive but rather just plain old ranting!!
I find it silly that you and the likes of you take so much credit for Civ3! Did you spend a couple of years making this game? Did you help design the original Civ or Civ2 where most of the ideas came from? What effort did you, other than post a few messages on this site indicating things you would like?
Comon!!! This is just childish. Sure now and then it's ok to vent like "Hey I don't like that feature" or "Firaxis really didn't listen" but this endless whining!! God it's like I'm in a elementary school message board!!!!
This is not our game it is Firaxis'. As Orange said, they are under no obligation to cater to us. I think we are all lucky that they included as many suggestions as they did.
To those of you who are b!tching this is obviously causing you too much stress. Take a break from this board and get a life! IT'S JUST A FRIGGIN GAME!!!
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yin26
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This space reserved for Darkstar.
Apr 1999
time: 14:15
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Guess what pal, you alone are NOT the judge and jury of whether this game was a success or not. |
Really? You're a true scholar, Orange.
And you are not the judge, either. Get it?
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You've been *****ing before it came out, and you'll continue to ***** afterwards for the sake of pride. |
No. I've done quite a bit more helping than complaining, but you don't really care about facts, I suppose. And if anybody's pride is at stake in this thread, it seems to be yours.
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the majority of posters here have not agreed with you in the past, |
And if they are blind hero worshippers like you who stifle open discussions on what is going well or not, then I wear that claim with a badge of honor.
Fact is, I've personally done more to help Civ 3 than any of your brown-nosing after the fact ever will. And along with my efforts were the efforts of several simply outstanding posters here who truly helped make Civ 3 better.
Culture, ICS-fixes, Resources...on and on all came from HERE...while you were busy thinking up clever ways to tell us to shut up after all the work was done. You're brilliant.
Of course, you'll just load the game and in your ignorance say: "Look. The game is great despite you whiners."
Orange pally: The whiner, the vocal people fighting for a better game, help give you some of the best part of the game.
Talk about arrogant and ungrateful.
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CobraA1
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North of the Arctic Circle, south of Canada; Minnesota, USA
Sep 2001
time: 21:15
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I should read more carefully.
Hmm . . .
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Working in Korea, I've seen the importance of a DMZ as a means both of deterrence and potential diplomatic disaster. Such situations would add great depth to the game. (Yin). |
The only quote I see from Yin about borders in the first list.
"Bell" has said more about borders . . .
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7.3) "Yin's 3rd Regiment consisting of 2 light-armored tanks, a Stealth bomber, and 4 infantry engaged China's 53rd Elite Patrol Division, consisting of some rock throwers and a random guy with a small caliber handgun. The battle, which took place near Death Valley Ridge, lasted 3 days. Yin's 3rd Regiment lost its bomber when the random guy with a gun got a lucky shot, but the 53rd Elite Patrol is no more. In other news, Yin's Empire forces a heavy trading embargo on the Greeks, rendering the Greek war machine virtually powerless. The stock market continued to fall today at the news that Yin and China seem prepared for war" (yin26). |
Oh, yes! An imaginary scenario! The only thing it serves to do is to point out the absurdity of the unit imbalance (gun guy taking out stealth bomber) in earlier games.
Don't see much else in the first list about your "contributions."
Oh, yeah - you wrote the introduction, and you show up on the list of "THREAD MASTERS." Congratualations.
Where's the second list?
I guess you're right - I don't see Orange's name anywhere.
And no, I don't believe Sid is God.
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orange
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It doesn't matter what your name is!
Feb 2000
time: 00:15
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Fact is, I've personally done more to help Civ 3 than any of your brown-nosing after the fact ever will |
Brown noser nothing. What do I or anyone have to gain from brown nosing? Do you think I expect a check from Firaxis, or a free copy of the game? You're getting desparate.
you seem to forget that I too have been here for quite a while. I posted like mad from February until June or so, and gradually migrated to Off-Topic. I came up with some ideas myself, stuff I see in the game today. But I'm not going to 'claim' them or pretend that it's my ideas in this game. It's a collection of APOLYTON'S visions for the game, and even moreso, the Firaxis staff's vision for this game. W as posters have ALL influenced this game, don't dare try to take credit.
I once had a tremendous amount of respect for you as a moderator, as a person, and as a man with some good ideas and a good head on his shoulders. However, for some reason, I come back to Civ III General and here you are, after having lost your job as moderator, and after having turned your back on Civ III and Firaxis BEFORE this MP fiasco ever surfaced acting like a complete idiot. What happened to you?
Seems to me, you've become bitter, because you saw Civ III as you wanted it to be, and it's not going to be the vision you had in mind. And now you're making ridiculous statements that only make you look like a conceited washed up *****. I have respect for Firaxis because they put up with *******s like you, and still keep our community informed. You don't deserve my respect. You don't deserve Firaxis's respect. And you sure as hell don't deserve the respect of anyone on this forum. Not anymore.
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Shiva
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Omaha,Nebraska USA
Jan 1970
time: 23:15
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Originally posted by yin26
No. I've done quite a bit more helping than complaining, but you don't really care about facts, I suppose. And if anybody's pride is at stake in this thread, it seems to be yours.
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You did once but now all you do is try and tear it down. Yours is the pride that seems to be at stake. Just because Firaxis isnt doing it the way you want you throw a tantrem like a little kid.
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Originally posted by yin26
Fact is, I've personally done more to help Civ 3 than any of your brown-nosing after the fact ever will.
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Theres that ego everyone loves. You've also done more to wreck the game than him (and just about everyone else) but your too wrapped up in yourself to even see it. Sad.
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Originally posted by yin26
Orange pally: The whiner, the vocal people fighting for a better game, help give you some of the best part of the game.
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Haha what a load of crap. Now you try and paint yourself as everyones savior. Man you are really out of touch. You showed your true colors when you posted this:
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Originally posted by yin26
If this thread keeps just $1 extra from going to Firaxis, I'll be more than happy
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Like I said before, its personal with you. Firaxis did something you didnt like and your going to do whatever you can to hurt them. Your so mad you cant even see what your acting like. Bleeding soul becomes a bitter mind dude, you need to fix yours.
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yin26
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This space reserved for Darkstar.
Apr 1999
time: 14:15
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I have said publically many many times that the List contained almost NO ideas of my own. If you had been around, you'd know that well. But the List likely never would have been made without me and a few key people.
Sorry. That's just the facts. Deny them if you will.
Take that for what you will. The damn thing was tabbed and passed around the Firaxis office before some of the people around here even knew Firaxis was making the game.
Me as savior? Hardly. Me as somebody who damn-well has earned the right to complain loudly when Firaxis repeatedly dodges an important question, leaks out information but won't confirm it, etc.? Damn straight.
And this is a forum. If you don't like my posts. Pack your bags 'cause I ain't going away until *I* feel like it. In fact, a$$-kissing articles like Orangie's here will KEEP me here. Consider that.
Finally, Orange: Are YOU taking credit for 16 civs? What...not enough faith in Our Lord and Father Sid? How sick. (...hmmm, starting to see the point yet?...). Your big mistake was to mention my thread, which is a legitimate comment against a legimitate PR mistake, with another thread that used bad language and was simply rude in a personal way toward particular people at Firaxis.
My thread was directed toward the company in general. And a great number of people have similar feelings that Firaxis blew it on that one. And, yes, as a result I stand by my statement that if Firaxis loses some money for such a purposefuly mishandling of PR, then:
I will be happy. Why? 'Cause maybe they'll think to do better next time. Crazy thought, eh?
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