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Dr. Nick is offline Dr. Nick
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Presenting: Guerra Civil: Crisis del Año 20, Federales y Unitarios Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

La indiada y los malones ranqueles se acercan a Buenos Aires!

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Los bravos unitarios montevideanos se baten contra las fuerzas del Litoral!

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El valiente Güemes con sus fieles Montoneros parten de Salta con sus ponchos al hombro para batirse contra los salvajes unitarios!

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El Brigadier don Juan Manuel de Rosas y el Hacendado Justo Jose de Urquiza se baten mortalmente el la ultima batalla de la contienda por los llanos de Zarate... el nombre Caseros resuena entre la tropa!

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Que os parece muchachos? Solo me falta finiquitar los events (bah, me faltan completos) y un par de cosillas sobre el mapa en gral, detalles nomas, y todo el tema diplomatico y ya estara listo mi segundo mod pack!

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Hombre, este scn me suena de algo

La llama esta cashonda.

Los oficiales de a caballo parece que estan montando en un caballito de carrusel (ya se que eso no es culpa tuya, es por las units que has elegido, cambiálas che o retocálas un poco al menos).

Que pasa con tu primer scen? Lo ponemos o no lo ponemos en el Spanish Site? De donde me lo bajo?

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La verdad es que se ve bastante bien EL, ademas me alegra ver que hay gente que SI que acaba sus escenarios

Fuera coñas, el escenario al menos en lo que se puede ver , tiene pinta de estar bien, mu gustan mucho los colores que tiene son muy vivos (ademas de muchos graficos que llevan mi firma )

Un par de preguntas, para cuando supones que estara??que se supone que es esa especie de ciervo si cuernos o lo que sea que hay en el desierto)

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No es por meterme con tu llama, pero yo tengo una hecha para Pizarro que a lo mejor te interesa...

Por lo demás, muy buena pinta, una gran mejoría respecto a lo primero que vimos, no?

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una llama kindal, una llama... luego dices que tal y tal pero es que lo de tu colchonerismo te tiene completamente reblandecidas las meninges Sera que como ahora vais de amarillo...

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Salvando los caballo que son los de serie me gustan mucho todos los jinetes en general y los j.indios en concreto ,la infanteria tambien güai
¿para cuando el evento?

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una llama pues no es por nada El, pero no lo parece, me lo suponia pero...no le falta pelo y el cuello mas alargao y echao pa´lante

10 puntos del lider, quien sabe igual si seguiis asi podeis sustituirnos en la segunda como el equipo representante de Madrid asi podriais quedar primeros

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¿En Ingleis por favore?

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Will it be historically accurate? (read: will I learn about the war by playing the scenario?)

BTW, those sheep specials need shearing...

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En exclusiva para Martín:

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Llama a la llama llama, que llama es como se llama...

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Congrats, Awrence!!!!

PS JB, non starai michionando qualcuno con quella cantilena?

PPS nice avatar, Henrik...

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Well, I'm still in the thick of production. I am going to try and make the events as accurate as possible... only bad thing is that the historical coverage of this period is dodgy at best due to the high politization of the material available. Battles and such I will try to recreate as best as possible... To help with that I have made around nine unique "leader" units with the main political "caudillos" of the period. They will all appear via events, and I hope to make the events a complex thing here (not so complex as to require a *.bat though, I hate those)

As to the graphics, I'm a perfectionist, let it be known that graphics in my modpacks are always under construction.

ANd, Fiera, this is a radical improvement del primero que se vio, definitivamente... pensar que I whipped it all up en una tarde sorprende. I've played it a bit and it's quite innovative in the concept of warfare, as it makes defensive units practically obsolete... I still need to work on the game balance, but I'm sure that I can count on all of you to help playtest, VERDAD?

Y, si, Kindal, la llama la queria mejorar antes pero no me dio el tiempo... ahora con la de Fiera se arregla rapido. Gracias FIera!

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Awrence, could you perhaps give me (us?) a description of what the scenario is about in english?

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PPS nice avatar, Henrik...


Thanks , it is a swedish musketeer for the later parts of my new scenario...
Made by Arne Schmied (with the signature AS).

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After the independence wars, the River Plate lived a period of tumult and chaos: the "Cabildantes" (congressmen) could not come to a decisition over the final organisation of Argentina. Soon, two distinct factions appeared:

The Unitarios (Unitaries) who advocated for a strong, centralised state, based in Buenos Aires, with a central government for all the provinces of the United River Plate Provinces. This central government would be in charge of all decisions of state.

The Federales (Federals) who advocated for strong provincial governments that would come together for national legislation only, strong provincial governments that decided their budget, their social policies, their commercial affairs, and a centrally organised figurehead to act as the executive branch to arrange foreign policy outside the River Plate.

The main argument was about the moneies generated by the Customs House in Buenos Aires: the Spaniards had never developed the colonial industry and the provinces of Argentina (which excluded the rich silver mines of Bolivia) had no industry. Argentina had very few exportable goods and the provincial cash boxes lay empty. The country was ruined. The only thing that kept the national economy going was the Customs House income. The situation was that the Unitarios stated that the central government (which would always be ruled from Buenos Aires) would decide expenditures, and the Federals from the provinces remained distrustful of Buenos Aires and its real intentions, and they expected that the money would be spent in the enrichment of Buenos Aires to the detriment of the provinces. They demanded that Buenos Aires redistribute the money of Customs House equitably amongst the provinces for them to administer their "share".

In 1820 the whole affair rose to unexpected levels of hostility when the Unitarios came to power in Buenos Aires and refused to redistribute the Custom's House money. Both sides armed, and the pronvincial caudillos (leaders) took into unto themselves to cause the fall of the "corrupt Unitarian regime of Buenos Aires" in order to establish a strong federal state.

But in the course of the civil war the whole Federal and Unitarian ideology became little more than a tag for the different caudillos who in the end were fighting for their own wealth and enrichment.

The whole dispute over the supremacy of Buenos Aires over the provinces remains an issue until 1852 when the Brigadier Juan Manuel de Rosas, who had come to power in Buenos Aires in the late 1820s/early 1830s, was defeated in the battle of Caseros by a joint provincial force led by Justo Jose de Urquiza.

In between these years there's disputes with England and France with Buenos Aires and many bloody battles and a story of the modernisation of some of the new provinces in order to attain the so long wanted national unity through the annexation of Buenos Aires to the provinces and the creation of a National Constitution.

The whole issue wouldn't be settled in its entirety until 1862, comprising the bloodies period of Argentine history.

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Elawr, this is your last chance: what do we (I) do with the Crisis scenario?

Re: llama, fiera's one is cojonut of course but yours ain't baid either. May be you could reconvert it into a guanaco or alpaca?

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Erm, yo te lo mando, Jesus. Tengo aun que cambiar dos cositas que I keep forgetting.

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ANd, Fiera, this is a radical improvement del primero que se vio, definitivamente... pensar que I whipped it all up en una tarde sorprende. I've played it a bit and it's quite innovative in the concept of warfare, as it makes defensive units practically obsolete... I still need to work on the game balance, but I'm sure that I can count on all of you to help playtest, VERDAD?


Ah, me haces recordar el Spanglish Forum...

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Y, si, Kindal, la llama la queria mejorar antes pero no me dio el tiempo... ahora con la de Fiera se arregla rapido. Gracias FIera!


Gracias, hombre, para eso estamos! Y si en la próxima partida no me das por detrás, te puedo ayudar en alguna otra cosita si quieres...

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Pues arregle el caballito de carrusel...

Sigo sin poder deletiar las ciudades paraguayas para hacer una "events" civ...

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Hey, buenísima esa unidad, tío! Has hecho el caballo from scratch?

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En realidad, el caballo es robado...

Pero solo el caballito eh!

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con las cheats, revelá todo el mapa y disbandeá todo lo qyue hay en la ciudad. no pares cuando se quede sin tropas, pero cuidado! no vayas a exterminar la civ!

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Me salio! Me salio! Me salio! Yuuuuuupi!

 
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