09-12-2001 05:17									#91
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hey zopper i'm almost certain that i've attacked 101010101 before as well.

	09-12-2001 06:27									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Makeo hey zopper i'm almost certain that i've attacked 101010101 before as well.

Uhm...are you sure?
Because 11:8 is a Kd with many provinces carrying "binary names".
5:21 is also a "Binary Kd"...

(Oohh...only 50 honor points before I'm Lord )

	09-12-2001 07:57									#93
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oh...i guess not then

	09-12-2001 08:57									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Makeo oh...i guess not then

O well...it doesn't really matter

Just now, we have four n00bs in the Kd...and I'm getting kind of tired of one...I told him to stop bullsh!tting around, but my reply got deleted.
Sometimes, I'm really considering defecting...

	09-12-2001 09:39									#95
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i am in 48-1 our kd is in internal strife since i have been there i havn't had a monarch

	09-12-2001 18:48									#96
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In 10 minutes I'll finish my first buildings. I'm aiming on 270-280 acres OOP and then two attacks on two newbies which will bring me up to 400 acres.

	09-12-2001 23:32									#97
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anyone want to hit "kent has issues" 48:48 be my guest.......hes an easy target...around 400acres or so but weak with spies and hes a suicider...i took some acres (9) only but he has been praying on our kd...

	11-12-2001 01:39									#98
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever anyone want to hit "kent has issues" 48:48 be my guest.......hes an easy target...around 400acres or so but weak with spies and hes a suicider...i took some acres (9) only but he has been praying on our kd...

He's too small for me

I just did my first real attack of this age and captured 68 acres...w00h00!
Now hope no-one retals on me

	11-12-2001 06:21									#99
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its ok...i put him to rest.....but we have a dragon wreaking havoc on us....at least we have a monarch now...

whats the easiest way to kill a dragon...someone told me 175 soldiers each time i log on??

	11-12-2001 16:16									#100
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Go to the kingdom page, select all and copy it. The Angel will tell you how many soldiers are needed to reduce one percent from the Dragon's strength.

	11-12-2001 18:23									#101
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I underestimated Paradise a bit.

I'll leave protection with 309 acres, and 14DPA.
Money is a problem for my planned growth, and that's why I'm reducing Libraries to 10% and farms to 6%(I have NB) to get 8% Banks. Also, I'm hoping that my thieves will save me from these problems.

	11-12-2001 20:48									#102
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Apparently the Paradise spell became much more effective while I wasnt playing and a new strat developed. I'll try it.

	11-12-2001 21:02									#103
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I was wanting to cast Paradise as well, but I never have enough mana, because we're constantly in war.
Some pathetic Kd (41:13) just declared on us.
Makeo, War4ever, there may be some good grabs open for you there

And we're in the middle of peace talks with 11:8, discussing the possibility of becoming allies in the future, but I'll leave all that to our Monarch.
As for now, I'm shaping my strat.

Eli, how do you think this looks for my "All-in-one"-tactic?

40% Homes
20% Armories
10% Watchtowers
10% Guilds
08% Towers
10% Hospitals
02% Stables

	12-12-2001 05:29									#104
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zopperoni....can you give me some ideas for elf strat as i am approaching 500acres....... i am second largest in our ghetto kingdom but i do need some help...

also is there a max on science research......i don't seem to be getting any higher in certain areas

also, the target finder..is it any good..i don't know how it works..and why is it when i crystal ball, i can't find out how many thieves or wizzies someone has

	12-12-2001 15:17									#105
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quote: also is there a max on science research......i don't seem to be getting any higher in certain areas

There is a max cap, and also the number of sci points needed to get to 100% of the max is aproximately two times bigger than the number needed for 90% of the max, so dont bother.
Check the Angel's science calculator for more exact numbers.

quote: also, the target finder..is it any good..i don't know how it works..and why is it when i crystal ball, i can't find out how many thieves or wizzies someone has

You need to copy their kingdom page before you copy their crystal ball. Then you will get an pretty good estimation on their number of thieves and wizards.

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Zopper -
Check the Utopia forums. You can get lots of responses and suggestions there. I dont have time to check strats. Hell, I dont have time to make a strat for myself.

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Meanwhile I'm stuck in a newbie kingdom... Their level of english is even lower than their IQ, and they are constatly arguing on who should be the king.
But... I found a nice goldfarm with over 3mil gc and pillaged it. 400kgc will help me a lot. But the problem is that I now have only 11DPA for the next 18 hours.

My CB :
The Province of Bla Bla Bla (40:46)
[http://www.UtopiaTemple.com Angel v1.23 Beta]

Utopian Date: February 5th, YR6
RL Date: December 12th, 2001 (10:00 GMT)

Ruler Name: Sir Eli the Great the Sorcerer
Personality & Race: The Mystic, Elf
Land: 338 Acres
Money: 405,846gc
Food: 41,144 bushels
Runes: 411 runes
Population: 6,790 citizens (20.09 per Acre)
Peasants: 4,792 (94% Employed)
Jobs: 4,488 (105% Utilization)
Trade Balance: 0gc (0% tax rate)
Networth: 25,608 (75.76 per Acre)
Thieves+Wizards+Science Networth: 1,586gc

Soldiers: 518 (28% estimated draft rate)
Heroes: 53 (212 offense points)
Archers: 675 (2,700 defense points)
Elf Lords: 501 (2,505 offense and defense)
War-Horses: 0

Total Attack points: 3,753 (11.10 per Acre)
Practical (50% elites): 2,498 (7.39 per Acre)
Total Defense points: 6,241 (18.46 per Acre)
Practical (50% elites): 4,986 (14.75 per Acre)

[500 Acres land assumed for thieves calculation]
Thieves: 157 (0.31 per Acre / 80% Stealth)
Wizards: 94 (0.28 per Acre / 69% Mana)

Crystal-Ball on your province will show:
Maximum Possible Thieves: 264 (0.53 per Acre)
Estimated Thieves Number: 198 (0.40 per Acre)
Maximum Possible Wizards: 264 (0.78 per Acre)
Estimated Wizards Number: 63 (0.19 per Acre)

Buildings: 1,125gc to build, 446gc to raze
Away bonus: 23,960gc (12h) / 71,880gc (20h)

	12-12-2001 15:22									#106
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever zopperoni....can you give me some ideas for elf strat as i am approaching 500acres....... i am second largest in our ghetto kingdom but i do need some help...

How are you planning to play? As Thief/Mage, Mage/Thief, Mage, Attacker?

quote: also is there a max on science research......i don't seem to be getting any higher in certain areas

I think the maximum depends on your size.

quote: also, the target finder..is it any good..i don't know how it works..

I think it's good, the data can be a few hours old, the database is not real-time. But don't forget to earn credits by copying Kingdom pages into the designated box (, they tell you which Kd page to copy-paste).

quote: and why is it when i crystal ball, i can't find out how many thieves or wizzies someone has

First, you have to copy the Kd page of the province you want to investigate. Then do the CB on that province and voila!

	12-12-2001 17:06									#107
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Science max - (for non undead, without schools)
Income 35 %
Building Time 90 % (only used for calculation purposes)
Population 25 %
Food Production 70 %
Military Offence 10 %
Thievery 65 %
Magic 65 %


http://home.world-online.no/~punar/Utopia/

	12-12-2001 18:07									#108
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Please, pray that no one will notice my little, rich and underdefended province in the next 14 hours and 12 minutes.

	13-12-2001 00:43									#109
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Someone sent me 500 soldiers, and now I'm out of money again. But in 24 hours... MWAHAHAHAHAHA!
(if I dont get hit by then)

	13-12-2001 02:35									#110
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I lost all faith in humankind.
A post by 300 acres elf in my kingdom :

quote: I havn't said much!!!! I think it is time to to (how should I user the term) "sut up" it is time to get this kingdom moving if we need a new king so be it. But let's get this kingdom up to date no offense but we stink I know I'm still small but hey give me a chance and I could have this kingdom better than it ever was anyone with me or you could just attack me and take my kingdom but this is risk taking.

	13-12-2001 02:52									#111
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Let him be King, let him feel how much it sucks to be Monarch

	13-12-2001 10:58									#112
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well i am largest in my ghetto kd.... my current stats.....

Barren Lands

Homes 100
Mines 0
Farms 50
Mills 27
Armouries 60
Barracks 10
Thieves' Dens 20
Forts 30
Banks 70
Hospitals 0
Guilds 30
Towers 30
Watchtowers 30
Schools
Universities
Stables 10
Libraries
Dungeons


my draft rate is 60%

i have 1650 elites
3050 def spec
2000 off spec
800 thieves
1000 warhorses

i noticed your strat posted earlier had no banks do i not need them?

is my draft rate way too high...

what about my buildings...do i need them all...should i scrap some?

help me out.....should i get more def.....more elites? more attackers...how do i convert def specs in to elites...? is that possible.....

anyways alot of ?s i hope somone can give me answerrs..... i want to be an attacker with good def and have enough runes to cast alot of self spells and enough thieves so that most people wont rape me..i know i can't stop the guzs with 1000's of thieves but alot of people don't have that many.....

i would like a strat like yours...doing everything at the same time....

i am not worried about honor so much..just getting more land and staying sharp and deadly

	13-12-2001 15:32									#113
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Banks are pretty useful at this size. When you get to sizes like 1500-2000 acres you can get rid of them.
When you're on 500 acres, every attack, or exploration day increasees your land by 10-15% and it will be hard to build everything and get more military for such drastic growth. But on 2000 acres, you grow by 3-7%, and it is much easier to do everything so banks are not needed.

Basically, your problem is that you use too many building types. 12 building types, most of them in percentages too small to make any significant difference. Get rid of the forts, unless you're a suicider. 10 Barracks reduce the attack time by 1 hour and increase offense by 1%, useless. 4% Thieves' Dens are not as useless, but this land can be used for better purposes, same goes for Watchtowers. Thieves' Dens and watchtowers are useful only for super-thieves.

So what do we have? 90 free acres, 20% of your land. If you want to be an attacker make them all barracks. Now you'll have 40% lower attack times. Or you can add 2-3% to both the towers and the guilds and send the rest to home and armouries.

In general, you need to use as less buildings as possible. I know that by 2000 acres I always end up with 3-5 buildings types.

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Oh, and can you try to bring all the information about yourself formatted by angel? So that we wont need to calculate your buildings percents and DPA/OPA by ourselves.

Last edited by Eli on 13-12-2001 at 15:37

	13-12-2001 19:55									#114
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ah so i have too much infastructure spread around........as it is some guy "loop: 10:1 broke me for 56 acres just as i hit 500acres he must have been pretty strong..... either that or i think i am stronger than i thought....

ok later today i will raze my lands you suggested.....will i lose my thieves if i get rid of the dens like warhorses.... or will i need to make more dens if i need more thieves......

i would like to be a heavy attacker...... but i guess i need more elites for that.....seems like my army is too small

	13-12-2001 20:28									#115
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What race are you?

You wont loose thieves, but your stealth will regenerate slower and the thieves will be more expensive. Since you're an attacker you dont need to have many thieves so the price difference is insignificant.

Also, check the Swirve Utopiaa Strategy forum
http://boards.swirve.com/board.cgi?...gy&spec=4366395
There are plenty of strats for everyone there.

Last edited by Eli on 13-12-2001 at 20:34

	13-12-2001 20:58									#116
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When does the new age start? I want to rejoin.

	13-12-2001 22:14									#117
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quote: The Utopian Era of Strife begins October 30th and runs into January

Join now. It's much more fun when you see yourself beating the n00bs who had a 10 days fora on you.

	13-12-2001 23:17									#118
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc When does the new age start? I want to rejoin.

Yes, join now, DinoDoc!
Wow, the Apolyton Utopia contingency is growing , maybe we can ask Markos to make a Utopia Forum for us

War4ever,

This may be something you can do:

205-550 acres
25% Homes
08% Farms
30% Armories
10% Guilds
10% Towers
15% Banks
02% Stables

Focus on building up your military. Have about 9 or 10 defense specs per acre and 5 or 6 Elf Lords per acre. You don't have to attack much yet. Cast Paradise if you feel like it
Train what's left over of your military into Thieves to protect yourself...from people like me

550-600 acres
20% Homes
08% Farms
20% Armories
5% Guilds
10% Towers
15% Banks
02% Stables
20% Universities

Time to do a Science pump here, it should be something like this:
Alchemy 30,000
Population limits 30,000
Offensive war 20,000
Food 10,000
Thievery 10,000
Channeling 10,000
Tools 8,000

Train 10 or 11 def specs per acre and and 5 or 6 Elf Lords per acre.

I hope this will help you on your way. After this you'll have to convert again, but I'll have to think about what is the best end strat for you.
But you can also look on www.utopiatemple.com there are some good strats there and a forum where you can ask all sorts of questions. I'm on that forum as well (as Lord Belthazor).

	13-12-2001 23:45									#119
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What server are you guys on anyway? That's the one I'd like to join

	13-12-2001 23:53									#120
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Hopefully, by saturday morning I'll have 450 acres.
In the next week I'm planning to get to 750 acres, with ~25-30DPA and ~1TPA. Then, a short sci pump investing 15k points in all sciences except War, and 7k in tools - total of 2,680kgc, hopefully it will take 4 days(depends on my thieves ). Then 2 days of converting all those new peasants to Elf Lords and then super fast growth until 2000 acres which shoud last 2-3 weeks. Then another sci pump, three times bigger than the first and then a decision concerning my future. Static Super Mage, Static Suped Thief, Attacker, or Exploring till 4k acres.
All this, assuming I dont piss off(yet again) a kingdom full of psychotic Dwarves.