19-12-2001 03:27									#151
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever i make about 29500k and my upkeep is around 4500...so i am neting about 25ooo with all my banks right now.......

That's good. (I only make 4,000-5,000 per day )

quote: 5400defspec 2400elites 450offspec...to train into elites when they come home... 250 wizzies 175 thieves

Looks good.

quote: i need way more elites...so i can't go hospitals yet.....as i need those armouries... 125 homes 21.5% 55 farms 9.5% 112 arm 19.2% 125 barack 21.5% 89 banks 15.3% 30 guilds/towers 5% each 12 stables 2% 4 forts under construction...

I don't think you'll need forts. At least, not in this phase.

quote: i am losing 2-300 bushels of food per month not really growing too quick

Try casting Nature's Blessing.

quote: i have tons of cash but no troops to train...

Try casting Patriotism.

quote: i am low on thieves, wizzies, and elites......

Well, you can't have it all

quote: i wonder what i should do with my 53 new acres in 12 hours.... at least my arnies come home quick! any thoughts

OK, let's phase things out then.

600 - 1,000 acres
35% Homes
07% Farms
05% Guilds
05% Towers
20% Armories
25% Barracks
03% Stables

Only train Elf Lords
And watch your NW/acre

1,000+ acres
35% Homes
05% Farms
05% Guilds
05% Towers
20% Hospitals
25% Barracks
05% Stables

	19-12-2001 05:16									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni Try casting Nature's Blessing. Try casting Patriotism. And watch your NW/acre [

ok what do you mean watch my NW/acre

	19-12-2001 05:17									#153
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Zopperoni


Try casting Nature's Blessing.


Try casting Patriotism.



And watch your NW/acre


ok what do you mean watch my NW/acre

	19-12-2001 05:30									#154
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever ok what do you mean watch my NW/acre

Simple: don't appear "landfat"

Try to maintain a NW/acre-ratio of 130-160 gc per acre.
If your NW/acre-ratio would be 100-120 gc per acre, you would appear as a potential target for other Attackers, because NW/acre-ratio is the first thing most Attackers look at when looking for targets.

	20-12-2001 10:26									#155
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alright....700 acres and rising...... but this stupid kd has sent yet another dragon against us......gr.......

oh well.....thanks for the help zopper....i am following the strats you have given me and i have kept the other ones.....

you know , for when the next age starts...i assume you have to start all over again....

perhaps this time i won't fiick up so much

	20-12-2001 11:47									#156
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever alright....700 acres and rising...... but this stupid kd has sent yet another dragon against us......gr.......

quote: oh well.....thanks for the help zopper....i am following the strats you have given me and i have kept the other ones.....

No problem. It's a way for me to see if the strat works or not as well, without having to try it all myself

quote: you know , for when the next age starts...i assume you have to start all over again....

Yes, I'm prolly going Halfling/Rogue then.

	22-12-2001 03:43									#157
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i will likely go avian or dwarf next time as a heavy attacker

do you think it would be wise to retrain some of my def spec into elite..... currently the ration is 2-1 and the defense wasn't enough to stop an avian who was 100acres smaller to rape me for 87 acres today..

i am at 650 with 6200 def spec and 3500 elites.... i was thinking of retraining 2200 of them into elites....

build hospitals and make some more land grabs...... like an idiot i built forts by mistake....... instead of hospitals

	22-12-2001 05:21									#158
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever do you think it would be wise to retrain some of my def spec into elite..... currently the ration is 2-1 and the defense wasn't enough to stop an avian who was 100acres smaller to rape me for 87 acres today.. i am at 650 with 6200 def spec and 3500 elites.... i was thinking of retraining 2200 of them into elites....

Judging from your information and if you have the money, then I would say why not
Go for the elites now, stop training specs and see what it brings you

	22-12-2001 14:51									#159
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You're an Elf, why do you need specs? You have cheap Elites, and with some armouries you can get the cost to 600-700 per elite, and this is all you need.

I was hit again for 80+ acres, but I'm at ~650 now. My plans went wrong because I thought that the age started in the beginning of December, not November so I underestimated the other players.
In 2-3 days I'll start the sci pump.

The Province of Bla Bla Bla (40:46)
[http://www.UtopiaTemple.com Angel v1.23 Beta]

Utopian Date: May 4th, YR7
RL Date: December 22nd, 2001 (9:00 GMT)

Ruler Name: Sir Eli the Great the Sorcerer
Personality & Race: The Mystic, Elf
Land: 626 Acres
Money: 1,035,237gc
Food: 19,212 bushels
Runes: 18,003 runes
Population: 15,097 citizens (24.12 per Acre)
Peasants: 9,164 (100% Employed)
Jobs: 9,297 (99% Utilization)
Trade Balance: -13,609gc (0% tax rate)
Networth: 73,021 (116.65 per Acre)
Thieves+Wizards+Science Networth: 7,267gc

Soldiers: 256 (36.7% estimated draft rate)
Heroes: 0
Archers: 67 (268 defense points)
Elf Lords: 4,491 (22,455 offense and defense)
War-Horses: 0

Total Attack points: 22,967 (36.69 per Acre)
Practical (50% elites): 11,742 (18.76 per Acre)
Total Defense points: 23,235 (37.12 per Acre)
Practical (50% elites): 12,010 (19.19 per Acre)

Thieves: 721 (1.15 per Acre / 100% Stealth)
Wizards: 398 (0.64 per Acre / 100% Mana)

Crystal-Ball on your province will show:
Max. Possible Thieves/Wizards: 1,211 (1.93 / Acre)
Estimated Thieves Number: 908 (1.45 per Acre)
Estimated Wizards Number: 288 (0.46 per Acre)

Buildings: 1,387gc to build, 542gc to raze
Away bonus: 45,820gc (12h) / 137,460gc (20h)

	22-12-2001 17:39									#160
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Not bad, Eli, not bad at all

This is mine:

quote: The Province of TriQuestra of TEARS (6:8) [http://www.UtopiaTemple.com Angel v1.23 Beta] Utopian Date: May 7th, YR7 RL Date: December 22nd, 2001 (12:00 GMT) Ruler Name: The Wise Lord Belthazor Personality & Race: The Sage, Halfling Land: 1,190 Acres Money: 1,201,102gc Food: 297,456 bushels Runes: 1,611 runes Population: 31,764 citizens (26.69 per Acre) Peasants: 5,363 (100% Employed) Jobs: 14,155 (65% Utilization) Trade Balance: 1,543,379gc (0% tax rate) Networth: 204,897 (172.18 per Acre) Thieves+Wizards+Science Networth: 54,633gc Soldiers: 0 (77.2% estimated draft rate) Spearmen: 0 Archers: 12,000 (48,000 defense points) Half-Giants: 6,000 (30,000 offense / 24,000 defense) War-Horses: 0 Total Attack points: 30,000 (25.21 per Acre) Practical (60% elites): 18,000 (15.13 per Acre) Total Defense points: 72,000 (60.50 per Acre) Practical (40% elites): 57,600 (48.40 per Acre) Thieves: 6,532 (5.49 per Acre / 80% Stealth) Wizards: 1,869 (1.57 per Acre / 60% Mana) Crystal-Ball on your province will show: Max. Possible Thieves/Wizards: 9,106 (7.65 / Acre) Estimated Thieves Number: 6,830 (5.74 per Acre) Estimated Wizards Number: 2,162 (1.82 per Acre) Buildings: 950gc to build, 730gc to raze Away bonus: 26,815gc (12h) / 80,445gc (20h)

Need to lower dpa, to raise tpa...

	22-12-2001 19:00									#161
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I'm currently in the midst of training a lot of soldiers at the moment so this will be different in a few hours.

The Province of The Sith Empire (21:37)
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Utopian Date: May 8th, YR7
RL Date: December 22nd, 2001 (13:00 GMT)

Ruler Name: Sir Palpatine the Sorcerer
Personality & Race: The Mystic, Elf
Land: 483 Acres
Money: 12gc
Food: 98,644 bushels
Runes: 7,789 runes
Population: 9,379 citizens (19.42 per Acre)
Peasants: 5,907 (100% Employed)
Jobs: 7,129 (88% Utilization)
Trade Balance: 43,135gc (0% tax rate)
Networth: 40,300 (83.44 per Acre)
Thieves+Wizards+Science Networth: 5,207gc

Soldiers: 853 (35.1% estimated draft rate)
Heroes: 0
Archers: 626 (2,504 defense points)
Elf Lords: 1,145 (5,725 offense and defense)
War-Horses: 700 (up to 700 additional offense)

Total Attack points: 8,131 (16.83 per Acre)
Practical (50% elites): 5,266 (10.90 per Acre)
Total Defense points: 9,935 (20.57 per Acre)
Practical (50% elites): 7,070 (14.64 per Acre)

[500 Acres land assumed for thieves calculation]
Thieves: 664 (1.33 per Acre / 100% Stealth)
Wizards: 184 (0.38 per Acre / 100% Mana)

Crystal-Ball on your province will show:
Maximum Possible Thieves: 868 (1.74 per Acre)
Estimated Thieves Number: 651 (1.30 per Acre)
Maximum Possible Wizards: 868 (1.80 per Acre)
Estimated Wizards Number: 206 (0.43 per Acre)

Buildings: 1,257gc to build, 494gc to raze
Away bonus: 29,535gc (12h) / 88,605gc (20h)

	23-12-2001 01:38									#162
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why can't i cb myself...... it told me i was truly evil to try..... anyways pls don't cb me....i have a spell up to repell the next evil spelll and such.....shame to waste it....

that all aside..... i am 657 acres receiving 41 more in 10 hourss

6000def spec
3900 elites

300 wizzies
151 thieves

retraining is a slow process.....even when you are making 30k a day

	23-12-2001 04:05									#163
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever why can't i cb myself...... it told me i was truly evil to try..... anyways pls don't cb me....i have a spell up to repell the next evil spelll and such.....shame to waste it....

Uhm, you don't cast it on yourself. What you do is you copy the information of your province in the Menu-screen; Angel will automatically react on it

quote: that all aside..... i am 657 acres receiving 41 more in 10 hourss 6000def spec 3900 elites 300 wizzies 151 thieves retraining is a slow process.....even when you are making 30k a day

Try casting Patriotism and Inspire Army.

	23-12-2001 04:31									#164
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thanks again zopper.... i should have named my province newbie kd , ruled by the honorable landfat!!!!


i have tried to find out the exact #'s for spells ie.. how much defense you get from casting minor protection and such.

anyone know where you can find the exact science alotments... i have scoured boards and boards of threads and alot of it is idiots with even more idiotic responses

	23-12-2001 05:27									#165
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever thanks again zopper.... i should have named my province newbie kd , ruled by the honorable landfat!!!!

You gotta watch it though, might be too conspicuous

quote: i have tried to find out the exact #'s for spells ie.. how much defense you get from casting minor protection and such.

This will enlighten you, me thinks

quote: anyone know where you can find the exact science alotments... i have scoured boards and boards of threads and alot of it is idiots with even more idiotic responses

Better grab you calculator

	23-12-2001 06:08									#166
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ok..... thanks zopper..... now tell me...where was that material taken from.... i have been to utopia temple...and the other utopia board.

what are some other boards which have utopia discussions and strats and such...could you provide links too

and a ? about networth.... how does one increase their networth?

say your 500 acres and your networth is 75k... and someone else is 500 acres and 62k.... what is the difference between empires...and why would someone have such a huge difference.

my networth is around 93k on 657 acres.... around the 140k per acre range...... we have a guy with 1211 acres and 195k networth.... he is definitely a higher nw/a ...why is that..and how can i increase mine

	23-12-2001 06:29									#167
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever ok..... thanks zopper..... now tell me...where was that material taken from.... i have been to utopia temple...and the other utopia board.

From Punar's Formulas Site

quote: what are some other boards which have utopia discussions and strats and such...could you provide links too

These are some sites, I only visit UtopiaTemple though, so I don't know if the other sites are good or not (or still exist for that matter), but you can take a look:

Glorat's Page - http://www.glorat.net
StarCraft - http://www.starcraft.nu
Utopia Depot - http://udn.cjb.net
Utopiaholics - http://www.utopiaholics.com
Utopia Portal - http://www.cyber-space.nl/utopia/
Utopia Temple - http://www.utopiatemple.com
Utopia Tools - http://www.utopiatools.net
Utopian Dreams - http://www.utopiandreams.net
UtopiaFire - http://www.utopiafire.com
Archfiend's Site - http://www.brassknuckles.net
Utopia Freaks - http://utopiafreaks.cjb.net
Utopian War Councils - http://www.warcouncils.com
Utopian Ways - http://www.amanti.com/utopianways
Utopia Gateway - www.ugateway.cjb.net

quote: and a ? about networth.... how does one increase their networth? say your 500 acres and your networth is 75k... and someone else is 500 acres and 62k.... what is the difference between empires...and why would someone have such a huge difference. my networth is around 93k on 657 acres.... around the 140k per acre range...... we have a guy with 1211 acres and 195k networth.... he is definitely a higher nw/a ...why is that..and how can i increase mine

Again, the Punar Site is a good help, click here

	23-12-2001 08:22									#168
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I'm landfat. and thats not an invitation to attack me. i'm looking at you war.

1000 acres 115knw.

I do the whole retal when i get hit though. i just got hit and i retalled by fireballing 2000 of his peasants and kidnapping 1000 of them. then taking 97 acres.

As well as riots for 9 days, killed 500 of his soldiers and stole all his runes

	23-12-2001 13:40									#169
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ok....guyx help me out on this one....
Mick Ling 49:4 is an elf..500 acres.... 4000k def spec and 1000elites....

no big deal...were at war....he has maimed me with his spells...and says he will do so until i am dead

zopper....can you rape him bad for me and then i will take some land by force....i want this guy out of the game ....permanently..!!!

i would be forever in your debt..... they stated the war as we were at war with two others....now they are fighting just us...

for gods sake....someone hit him hard....

i will follow up in the moring....i would forever be in debt.... or perhaps you could ask your kd to help..i know were along ways away but my kd would be forever eternal.....not too mention they have a guy around 1100 acres...who acts more like a farm than anything else....and their king is a spy farm, nothing more

	23-12-2001 17:28									#170
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Here's a really landfat target for you guys:

quote: The Province of smartcarton0 (38:36) [http://www.UtopiaTemple.com Angel v1.23 Beta] Utopian Date: June 7th, YR7 RL Date: December 23rd, 2001 (12:00 GMT) Ruler Name: Ms. smartcarton0 the Warrior Personality & Race: The Warrior, Dwarf Land: 821 Acres Money: 266,832gc Food: 41,426 bushels Runes: 958 runes Population: 13,136 citizens (16.00 per Acre) Peasants: 7,302 (100% Employed) Jobs: 12,170 (72% Utilization) Trade Balance: -70,197gc (0% tax rate) Networth: 67,724 (82.49 per Acre) Thieves+Wizards+Science Networth: 8,786gc Soldiers: 976 (41.8% estimated draft rate) Axemen: 0 Archers: 837 (3,348 defense points) Berserkers: 2,575 (15,450 offense / 12,875 defense) War-Horses: 2 (up to 2 additional offense) Total Attack points: 17,404 (21.20 per Acre) Practical (50% elites): 9,682 (11.79 per Acre) Total Defense points: 18,175 (22.14 per Acre) Practical (50% elites): 11,740 (14.30 per Acre) Max. Possible Thieves/Wizards: 1,464 (1.78 / Acre) Estimated Thieves Number: 1,098 (1.34 per Acre) Estimated Wizards Number: 348 (0.42 per Acre) ** Thievery Advisor: ** Money: 631 thieves to steal up to 45,361gc Food: 192 thieves to steal up to 20,713 bushels Runes: 16 thieves to steal up to 335 runes Peasants: 2,336 thieves to kidnap up to 292 peasants Peasants in War: 2,336 thieves for 584 peasants Soldiers: 146 thieves to kill up to 146 soldiers

	23-12-2001 19:22									#171
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever ok....guyx help me out on this one.... Mick Ling 49:4 is an elf..500 acres.... 4000k def spec and 1000elites....

He's got 4000 Archers and 1000 soldiers, he's got no Elites.

quote: The Province of MICK LING (48:4) [http://www.UtopiaTemple.com Angel v1.23 Beta] Utopian Date: June 9th, YR7 RL Date: December 23rd, 2001 (14:00 GMT) Ruler Name: Sir SIR the Sorcerer Personality & Race: The Mystic, Elf Land: 467 Acres Money: 78,790gc Food: 38,657 bushels Runes: 16,615 runes Population: 9,920 citizens (21.24 per Acre) Peasants: 3,235 (100% Employed) Jobs: 6,862 (63% Utilization) Trade Balance: -58,243gc (0% tax rate) Networth: 48,706 (104.30 per Acre) Thieves+Wizards+Science Networth: 9,503gc Soldiers: 1,242 (63.6% estimated draft rate) Heroes: 0 Archers: 3,879 (15,516 defense points) Elf Lords: 0 War-Horses: 0 Total Attack points: 2,484 (5.32 per Acre) Practical (50% elites): 2,484 (5.32 per Acre) Total Defense points: 18,000 (38.54 per Acre) Practical (50% elites): 18,000 (38.54 per Acre) [500 Acres land assumed for thieves calculation] Maximum Possible Thieves: 1,584 (3.17 per Acre) Estimated Thieves Number: 1,188 (2.38 per Acre) Maximum Possible Wizards: 1,584 (3.39 per Acre) Estimated Wizards Number: 376 (0.81 per Acre) ** Thievery Advisor: ** Money: 187 thieves to steal up to 13,394gc Food: 179 thieves to steal up to 19,328 bushels Runes: 277 thieves to steal up to 5,815 runes Peasants: 1,032 thieves to kidnap up to 129 peasants Peasants in War: 1,036 thieves for 259 peasants Soldiers: 186 thieves to kill up to 186 soldiers Arson: 1,500 thieves to burn up to 6 homes

quote: no big deal...were at war....he has maimed me with his spells...and says he will do so until i am dead zopper....can you rape him bad for me and then i will take some land by force....i want this guy out of the game ....permanently..!!!

He's too small for effective ops, I stole some of his runes and kidnapped some of his people, but there wasn't much that I could do. Besides that, we have no relations, so I can't do Black Ops.

quote: i would be forever in your debt..... they stated the war as we were at war with two others....now they are fighting just us...

Organize the Kd, get the Mages to take out the Thieves and the Thieves to take out the Mages. Get CBs on the top 10 provinces, good luck.

quote: for gods sake....someone hit him hard....

Ask a co-attacker to do a massacre

quote: i will follow up in the moring....i would forever be in debt.... or perhaps you could ask your kd to help..i know were along ways away but my kd would be forever eternal.....not too mention they have a guy around 1100 acres...who acts more like a farm than anything else....and their king is a spy farm, nothing more

I think I can take care of the 1100-guy, he's more my size, so I'll rob him.

War4ever, I'm sorry I can't do much, because of the size-difference and because we have no war-relations with them.
But I'll try and steal as many runes off him as I can.

	23-12-2001 21:37									#172
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dammit..this guyz woke up every five hours to meteor me......i am dying off quickly thanks for your help zoppper....he still has 15k runes

	24-12-2001 00:42									#173
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I see he got hit hard lately, fireball him a few times, he's only got 2800 peasants.
I already cast Vermin and Drought on him (for 14 and 10 days).

	24-12-2001 02:18									#174
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thanks zopper...... if we all razed him at the same time could we wipe him out.....that is essentially what i want to do...it will also stop the war were in.

how do i figure out my 12h and 20h away bonus...i can never see it

thanks for those links..i surfed some of them already...

i saw you on the other day as lord belthazaar...spelling i am sure is wrong

	24-12-2001 03:53									#175
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damm so close to taking that dwarf..and then had to abort at the last min

	24-12-2001 18:56									#176
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I just started to rebuild on my way to the sci pump. I got 750 acres, and it costed me over 500kgc only to raze and construct new buildings. The temporary strategy is:
25% Homes
8% Farms
18% Banks
6% Hospitals
10% Guilds
13% Towers(stockpiling runes for a fast paradasing after the sci pump is over)
10% Guilds(equals to 20%)
20% Universities(of course)

After it's over I'll go with :
35% Homes
7% Farms
20% Armouries
10% Guilds
13% Towers
5% Hospitals
10% Banks

	24-12-2001 19:00									#177
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Darn. If i'm going to make 35000 sci points for everything except tools and war, and 10,000 into tools it will cost 7,500kgc. So it will take me a whole week...

	24-12-2001 22:31									#178
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Try dropping 10,000 points in Channeling and Thievery.

	25-12-2001 00:29									#179
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Maybe... But it's only a 10% decrease in the total cost. Not very significant.

	25-12-2001 00:31									#180
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But I have 20k sci points accumulated by the libraries! So it will be only 6,750kgc. One day less.