29-10-2001 05:30									#1
	Should Ming lose his job? Suffering from ads?

I think Ming has been quick to ban, disrespectful, and in general created (at least for me) a general atmosphere of caprice and disrespect though his efforts as a moderator. I think he should be replaced - I hope the rest of you feel the same.

I'm not defending UberKruX or his actions. I found most of his posts repugnant and his attitude inflamatory. But if Ming is to be a moderator, he must rise above the bait set out by flamers like UberKruX. It is time to remind this site that it is participants who make it interesting. They may provide the forum, but we provide the entertainment.

I urge each of you to vote your opinion. And if enough of us feel Ming should go, he should. If not, we should boycott Apolyton, reducing the forums to a ghost town until we are shown the respect due to us by the people who own and maintain this site.

On the other hand, if you think I'm on crack or overreacting, or just need to calm down. Voice your opinion, and I'll shut up about the whole matter and admit that I was wrong.

	29-10-2001 05:43									#2
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To be fair... I think people should know that you are complaining because I restricted somebody that posted the following

quote: my friend from babbages just stopped by and dropped off civ3, so i cancelled my preorder and i'm going to play now, so **** you all, espeically markos. die die die. (it's awesome not to be gracious)

	29-10-2001 05:43									#3
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quote: Originally posted by The Templar It is time to remind this site that it is participants who make it interesting. They may provide the forum, but we provide the entertainment.

please answer the following questions

1) how many hours have you contributed from your life to make this site interesting and entertaining to others?

2) do have any idea who many hours has ming contributed to this site for the same purposes the last 3 years?

	29-10-2001 05:52									#4
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Why I've entertained with my every post, dear Markos. Not to mention my sparkling personality and sage wisdom. It is so good of you to provide the online public at large a forum for my thoughts.
In all fairness, UberKrux was the bigger jerk Ming. But if UberKruX jumped off a cliff...

	29-10-2001 06:09									#5
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Uber got around the censor...that's not allowed...he got a 1 week ban. He apparently didn't learn from that and did it again. Rules are rules.

	29-10-2001 06:30									#6
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The Templars were disciplined monastic knights, not blithering chaotic self indulgent oalfs.

	29-10-2001 06:43									#7
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What Lefty said. only with oaf spelt correctly.

	29-10-2001 07:00									#8
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I was seriously considering doing a poll about 'Should The Templar get a vacation for this poll?', but then I realised how worthless that would be..

rather like this one is.

	29-10-2001 07:30									#9
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Many people don't understand what a society is. I believe it was Hobbes (someone verify this; it's been a while since university) who said that everyone participates in a social contract where people give up a number of rights for the greater good of everyone in the society. This applies to both 'real' society and forums, which are a kind of micro-society. When we register for forums we agree to the rules that the moderators wrote for the comfort and good of the forum participants. If you don't follow the rules you are breaking the social contract and you deserve to be banned. In real society if you break the rules you get punished by the state or shunned by those around you. I think Ming was right in banning UberKrux for his post. Without moderators I think many threads would just dissolve into flame wars and garbage.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.
--Soren Kierkegaard

	29-10-2001 08:10									#10
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If you don't like Ming's posts, add him to your ignore list (of course, then you can't see any warnings he gives you )

	29-10-2001 08:23									#11
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Templar...you're a n00b...how can you say that Ming is doing a bad job...?
It all may seem a bit harsh to you in the beginning...but after some time you'll see that Ming (and the others) are pretty fair...

For now...just get rid of that stupid sig...

	29-10-2001 08:30									#12
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It seems very ironic that in small letter at the bottom of the poll is writtin "edit poll (moderators only)"

	29-10-2001 08:32									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Zopper It all may seem a bit harsh to you in the beginning...but after some time you'll see that Ming (and the others) are pretty fair...

Thus said the psychiatric patient to the new admission

	29-10-2001 08:52									#14
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Love you too, Horsie...

PS: Your forums are ugly...

	29-10-2001 09:04									#15
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Not only should Ming be commended for his hard work, dedication, and effort, I think we should start a petition to have his pay rate doubled effective immediately. What do you say Mark?

	29-10-2001 09:56									#16
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quote: Originally posted by The Templar Why I've entertained with my every post, dear Markos. Not to mention my sparkling personality and sage wisdom. It is so good of you to provide the online public at large a forum for my thoughts. In all fairness, UberKrux was the bigger jerk Ming. But if UberKruX jumped off a cliff...

You are entertaining, but those are not the reasons.

I don't think that Uber is being the bigger jerk now.

	29-10-2001 10:02									#17
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Well, I think that this poll speaks for itself!

Good work Ming! You're doing a wonderful job as a Moderator! Keep up the good work!

	29-10-2001 10:25									#18
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I personally hope that Templar doesn't get banned for this as it would prove his argument wrong. He's expressed his opinion (however silly) in reasonable manner and it looks like the the poll has gone against him.

	29-10-2001 11:08									#19
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Actually I just read the thread and I disagree with Markos. Uberkrux deserved the two week ban, not for what he said but for committing the same 'crime' twice. First time one week, second two weeks...

Thread is here.

	29-10-2001 11:32									#20
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well, so far, i think your poll isn't turning out the way you'd like. I think you need to lighten up on Ming. It's obvious the reason he has been banning is because of the increase in rule breaking that's surged. I'm guessing that all these "bannings" are occuring on non OT forums. Those have to be strictly enforced there or else they would run amuck and look like an ffz forum ( ). Certain topics and certain discussions have certain places where they can be posted.

	29-10-2001 11:53									#21
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I at this. Even with a reasonably well stated case, the poll is staggeringly against Templar.


Comic strip


That is Templar


Thats Templar and his opinion on ming.


The first is Templars view on this, the others are everyone else's


The mods are in collaboration


They come up with a plan


Markos and Ming rant at him.


'nuff said

Various peoples reactions:


Very few people's reactions.


Gosh, I'm procrastinating majorly on my essay. I'll do this more often. Its fun.

	29-10-2001 12:20									#22
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Just making my point heard...

If Ming would get sacked, who would get his
position? You?!? No way!
I suppose the best sollution would be that
evryone would just try to cope with current
admins, and not harash them all the time.

BTW, Ming, there's a PM for you.

	29-10-2001 12:57									#23
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Ming is the Man. The poll shows that overwhelmingly. People approve of his actions.

[dieter]

Your story has become tiresome.

[/dieter]

	29-10-2001 13:10									#24
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Ming was given the position of moderator for a reason.

He was the only person on the forum that everyone respected and everyone liked. Everyone else always had rivalries and infights going on, but Ming is the only person who was always fair and reasonable and therefore the perfect choice for the job.

Case Closed.

	29-10-2001 15:39									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin If Ming would get sacked, who would get his position? (...)

Well...no-one I can immediately think of...but @ least Matt would have more to do...

	29-10-2001 17:55									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Faboba Case Closed.

	29-10-2001 18:12									#27
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quote: Originally posted by MBloomIII Not only should Ming be commended for his hard work, dedication, and effort, I think we should start a petition to have his pay rate doubled effective immediately. What do you say Mark?

I can't see a problem with Markos doubling Ming's pay. It would be going up from 0 to 0 He does it for the love of people like Templar above

	29-10-2001 19:13									#28
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Fire Ming! Out of a cannon!

	29-10-2001 20:17									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Venom Fire Ming! Out of a cannon!

Just fire him off in some random direction? Or did you have a specific target in mind?

	29-10-2001 21:22									#30
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Yes !!!! FIRE MING!!!!




Krux is an ass, what more can be said