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Zzyzx
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Hi all. I am a new user here, and tried emailing both the distributor and the developer for Civ3. I received no response from either company, so here I am. Most of the bugs I have seen on my computer are gameplay related, and I won't rehash what I found in this forum.
Here are a couple issues I have with the game (may or may not be bugs):
1. Bargaining? What bargaining...
When bargaining with a computer player, what they offer for a trade is their final offer, always. Why give the option to change trades when they always say no. Or am I missing something? Ineveitably, I move the amounts little by little back to the original offer and they accept. If I have the upper hand in a deal, I should be able to pressure a trade...
2. Corruption...
I don't remember corruption being such a devestating influence in the last civ games. To take over a city and spend the entire game with 50 red shields and 1 blue one sucks. I suppose I could move my palace there, but then I have the same problem on the other side of the world. And courthouses DO NOT WORK. I guess the best way to fight corruption is to not expand your empire. Go figure...
3. Difficulty levels...
Is it me or has the simplest level is civ3 become more difficult that most levels in civ2? What happened to the casual civ game (the kind where I don't have to plan my moves ultra-carefully). What happened to the militaristic game folks?
4. Find City...
Perhaps I missed it, but civ2 had a find city feature. You enter the name, and it centers the map on it. Is this feature not included in civ3?
5. Sorting cities...
In the city advisor screen, I click on the production header to sort by cities with the most production. A second later, the cities go back to their original order before I can continue. Shouldn't the sort hold so I can look at the cities?? Civ3 is not user friendly when you have tons of cities!
6. Automation of workers...
I have an island with 6 cities. All cities produce pollution, but not too much. I have 3 workers on the island, all set to automation. They have completed all the terrain improvements they can on the island and every turn I have to end their turn manually. If I fortify them, pollution will occur and they won't wake to take care of it. It would be nice if they had that feature...
My wife and I loved the first 2 civ games, but this is ridiculous. This game has tons and tons of bugs, and is way too difficult in the easy levels to be 'easy'. I hope they patch this thing up asap!
My computer:
p3 1000 mhz
windows me
nvidia geforce 2
turtle beach sound card
256 megs ram
(computer not all that important here, purely gameplay issues)
Last edited by Zzyzx on 26-11-2001 at 12:56
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dutcheese
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holland
May 1999
time: 05:15
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Hi,
Problem: Having trouble loading a saved game-- Civ3 cannot find the path to my saved game directory, including the autosaved directory, without me having to type in the full path to where the saved games are stored.
Cause: Game was installed in my profile directory and there is a . in my profile name on my Windows2000 system. The reason for the . is a while back my profile was corrupted so I just deleted my account and created a new account with the same name but did not delete my old profile directory. So when Win2000 created my new profile it was called my loggin name dot workstation name (localuser.computername) because the localuser name profile already existed.
Civ3 cannot read past the . in my profile name and keeps looking at the wrong directory. Then I cant even change directories using the built in navigation as the navigation cant read passed the dot either. Have to type in the long path manually. Can copy the path into the ini file as a short cut to typing...
dutcheese
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dutcheese
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holland
May 1999
time: 05:15
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quote:
sorry but :RTFM ! This should be a bug list. With TESTED Bugs, iff you would read the forum, you would have found an answer.
Take a look at the hotkeys. It IS possible to move the guys in groups. Shift-Right-Click on the stack. |
re-read tfm and cant find your reference... stack movement doesn't work for me.
dutcheese
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dutcheese
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holland
May 1999
time: 05:15
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quote:
Originally posted by CGreen
Unable to do tech tree if in a MOD?
Anyone noticed that if the game is not using the default rules, you cannot choose ahead on the tech tree?
Example - You want to research Monarchy, but only have a few of the first tech's - you cannot "branch" out the tech choices if the default rules aren't in play.
Not a big thing, but a bug none the less... |
same thing happens here... didn't think it was a big deal either until i stole technology from another civ and the tech advisor asked my to pick which one i wanted and i couldn't and so the game got stuck on the tech advisor screen.
game also locks up when loading scenarios and you look at the tech advisor before picking a study from the tech advisor popup.
Bug: Loading scenario breaks the tech tree advisor and can cause lockup.
Workaround: replace the civ3mod.bic file in the root of the game directory with your scenario file called civ3mod.bic.
dutcheese
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Rusty Nail
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Copenhagen
Jan 1970
time: 05:15
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The numbers for happy.content in the F1 advisor screen are more often than not incorrect compared to the icons on the right and the city screen.
Chris Shaffer, it looks to me from your screen shot that the water is not a lake but an inland fjord with sea access, in which case there is no bug.
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coriander
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The Civilopedia says forests can be planted by workers in grassland and plains terrain. However, it can also be planted in tundra.
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Morkul
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quote:
Originally posted by korn469
*Nuclear Plants cannot be built with only Ocean tiles. Rivers and lakes works fine |
This is NOT a bug!
The Civilopedia says:
"A city must have water (fresh or salt) within its radius to build a Nuclear Plant. It replaces any other power plant in the city."
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sachmo71
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de Tejas
May 2001
time: 23:15
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Thanks Thomas. I was afraid that it had to do with processor power, and since we are both on the lower end, that about sums it up, eh?
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sachmo71
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de Tejas
May 2001
time: 23:15
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2. Corruption...
I don't remember corruption being such a devestating influence in the last civ games. To take over a city and spend the entire game with 50 red shields and 1 blue one sucks. I suppose I could move my palace there, but then I have the same problem on the other side of the world. And courthouses DO NOT WORK. I guess the best way to fight corruption is to not expand your empire. Go figure...
This is being addressed by the patch which MAY be out early next week! WHOO HOO!
3. Difficulty levels...
Is it me or has the simplest level is civ3 become more difficult that most levels in civ2? What happened to the casual civ game (the kind where I don't have to plan my moves ultra-carefully). What happened to the militaristic game folks?
The ai is smarter, and I read somewhere that it behaves the same on all levels, it just doesn't run it's empire very well. I found the first level fun, until the late game. No one messed with me.
4. Find City...
Perhaps I missed it, but civ2 had a find city feature. You enter the name, and it centers the map on it. Is this feature not included in civ3?
This feature still exsists. It's a hotkey (don't remember which). Someone posted lots of hotkey functions in a thread earlier, but they are all in the back of the manual. Note some things can ONLY BE DONE with hotkeys (very bad!)
5. Sorting cities...
In the city advisor screen, I click on the production header to sort by cities with the most production. A second later, the cities go back to their original order before I can continue. Shouldn't the sort hold so I can look at the cities?? Civ3 is not user friendly when you have tons of cities!
Broken and hopefully fixed in patch (please please please)
My wife and I loved the first 2 civ games, but this is ridiculous. This game has tons and tons of bugs, and is way too difficult in the easy levels to be 'easy'. I hope they patch this thing up asap!
I dont think they are going to patch the ai or dumb it down. My suggestion would be to read more apolyton...then it won't be as hard! 
Good luck, and keep your fingers crossed for the patch!
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Skard
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Winnipeg MB CAN
Nov 2001
time: 05:15
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quote:
Originally posted by Skard
I've seen this on the buglist, but just to make sure that it isn't mistaken for a mac-only error:
Whenever I try to run Civ3, I get the splash screen and then I get an invalid page fault on ~DF394B.TMP. Oddly enough, if I re-install DirectX or change my video card drivers, Civ3 wiill run, however, rebooting will cause the error to return. This seems to be copy-protection related, as the no-CD executable from gamecopyworld.com will work.
Windows 98, P2-350, 256mb RAM, TNT2, sb128PCI |
I've found a workaround for this - removed my CD-RW, and the game works perfectly.
Note to Firaxis: This had better not be like this post-patch. This is the worst workaround I have ever had to do to make a game work. The mere fact a CD-RW is in the system should not affect if a game runs or not.
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RobC
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quote:
Originally posted by bahoo
What's the point of having colonies then? If I had known they weren't permanent, at least while guarded, I'd have just used a settler their instead. Invariably, with the way the AI operates, any colony you build will at some point (probably early in the game) be inundated with opposing settlers. |
The point is that the resource may be in an inconvenient spot to build a city and/or you may need/want the resource sooner than you want to actually expand your empire in that direction. The most common strategic resource that I've done this for is iron, which is often in a location that's not really great to build a city in. If I want to build swordsmen quickly to sack my neighbor, but don't want to waste my settler on a poor town that won't grow, I will use one of my workers (not a captured one, because you don't have to pay maintenance for those) and plant a colony on the iron (after building a road to it). You can even access colonies across friendly civ's roads, so if the only source of iron is on the other side of your neighbor, you still have a chance to build a colony and at least temporarily have access to it. Yes, eventually colonies are worthless as culture borders expand to cover all the world's land, but in the ancient era and early middle ages, it can be useful for securing iron or horses long enough to build swordsmen or knights to take out the nearby civs so the resource will eventually be in your borders. It can also be useful for taking advantage of luxury resources that are far enough away that you don't want to build a city there yet due to the horrible corruption you would have.
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Starlite
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Melbourne, Australia
Jun 2001
time: 15:15
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I can't believe how buggy this game is. Especially since I've so
been waiting for it, and now I can't play it at all. Anyway, here's
my experience.
The game shows a splash screen for about 10 seconds, then
quits (I can hear the window exit sound). As suggested in the
FAQ, I reduce my resolution to 1024x768. The game now runs
and the intro movie plays. Of course, I do not consider this a
solution, as every time I restore my resolution, I have to
reposition my icons and resize all my windows (I blame Microsoft
for a poorly designed desktop system).
Next, I experience the fonts problem mentioned earlier. I figure
it's because, yet again, no-one thought to test for Large Fonts
(IMHO, any programmer who doesn't test for Large Fonts should
not only be fired for incompetence, but preferably shot). From
what I've read here, though, Large Fonts may not have anything to
do with it.
Naturally, I try to ignore the problems for now and start a New
Game. I select the default world settings but with extra Barbarians.
But as soon as I try to move on from the world selection screen,
the program performs an Illegal Operation and Windows tells me
so with an unequivocal error message.
Fabulous.
I'm running Windows 95c on a Celeron 450 with 192MB RAM and a
LeadTek GeForce DDR video card. My normal resolution is
1280x1024x32bpp using Large Fonts. This is the first time that's
been a problem.
While I'm at it, has anyone noted the problems with the manual?
It's poorly written, frequently ambiguous (so can Tundra be
transformed to more friendly terrain or not?), and the tutorial is a
disgrace.
Add to that the absence of easy-to-access cards for the terrain
and unit tables, and the fact the CDs in the Limited Edition come
in a cardboard folder that's certain to damage them...
There seems to be a real lack of care in the release of this
much-anticipated game. Surely they could have held off
another month and still made Christmas?
OTOH, I did love the intro movie!
Last edited by Starlite on 28-11-2001 at 19:48
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phix
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Chicago, IL
Nov 2000
time: 05:15
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It was 2030. I was notified that the game would end in 2050 (Chieftan level - Hey I felt like kicking some easy ass)
It was a HUGE map, with 16 civs (13 left) I was the English, and decided to restart my war against the babylonians half way across the map.
So, I went into diplomacy, and with our peace treaty only 5 turns old. I demanded that the Babylonians give me ALL 25+ of their cities. They declined.
Then I demanded all of their cities and their world map, territory map, all their available resources (oil and coal and rubber) and all their money (20 gold) and 50 gold a turn.
Once again, they declined.
Then I attempted the same demands, in trade for one gold.
And the game froze. Never coming back... 15 minutes. Win2k Task Manager showed it as "Not Responding"
Anyone else run into the game crashing or freezing while demanding everything a country has to offer or during a rediculous trade?
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Sevorak
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I was recently trying to play with the espionage a bit, I went to 80% tax or something like that, for 800+ gold a turn, and planted a spy and started fooling around trying to do some odd little things. Since I wasn't using too much gold, in due time my spy got captured. I was then booted back - to the Espionage screen, where I was able to order my spy to try to do something else, even though she was technically exposed/captured/dead. She got caught and killed about ten times. I don't know whether that was an auto-failure due to the game's realizing that the spy's not there, or only because I was trying all the "Immediately" low-probability options.
Could someone try to fail a few times with their spy to see if they experience this as well?
-Sev
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sophist
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I accidentally ran into a bug where I could be building the palace in multiple locations at once. What's odd is that I couldn't build it all over the place; at about 10 or 12 simultaneous palaces, the option became greyed out. Even more oddly, I couldn't do that at another point in the game (the save from 1790 allowed this; the save from 1838 didn't). I don't know what's up, but I've got screens (had to upload cropped ones; vbulletin rejected bigger files). I also still have the save game file.
 Attachment: too_many_palaces1c.png
This has been downloaded 198 time(s).
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sophist
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From the domestic advisor screen. I have bigger shots, but vBulletin isn't cooperating. And I have the save game for it too.
The palace images look different because of an artwork-only mod that I'm using. Nothing else has been touched.
 Attachment: too_many_palaces2d.jpg
This has been downloaded 199 time(s).
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cousLee
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pollution bug affects more than just food. It affects all 3 items from that tile. And once the pollution is cleared, I can replace the worker there and reap double benefit. It corrects itself when the population grows. If I stagnate the city growth, it will remain for the rest of the game. (which allows me to use the worker previously needed to get the food for stagnation to be used on a no food tile. ie, mountain/mine). I know it's on the first page, but there it only mentioned the food. Pollution is a boon if it strikes hill/gold with railroad/mine.
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sophist
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That's most likely a flaw in the Windows sleep-mode implementation. Do other CDs auto-run when coming out of sleep mode?
quote:
Originally posted by Ralf
A harmless, but strange bug:
When my computer goes into "sleep-mode" (= everything saved to RAM, while the rest of my PC closes down) - then start up my PC again; the official brown/yellow Civ-3 Uninstall/Play screen pops up automatically.
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