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	02-11-2001 22:38									#32
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I think it has been said here that the LE would be released in Germany, as there won't be a German version until March. Well, I think it's not a fault to join the coalition, either way. So I'm definitely for it!

	02-11-2001 23:02									#33
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Why are Americans so... hmm... stupid??? (Or perhaps just overpatriotic...)

quote: Originally posted by faded glory Most of the money to be made by IG will be made in the good ole US of A!!

good ole USA??? yeah right! I don't think USA is that good, and if we are discussing age... 200 years compared to e.g. Sweden's thousand year long history...
And I think that at least 50 % of the games will be sold outside the US...

quote: Originally posted by faded glory You will have to order it from our people

Oh, yeah... But there is one problem: We CAN NOT order the LE from you... because of Infogrames.

quote: [SIZE=1] Originally posted by faded glory Oh yes! There are way more fanatic civers in America. Not 7-10 years kids who just buy it cause the cover looks cool (Oh yes just for that derogatory comment I hope it never ships over seas to whatever 3rd world nation you live in)

So you think that there are no fanatic civers in Europe? Oh yeah... And I am sure that there are a lot of these 7-10 year old kids in the US, and of course in Europe too...
And the comment that the European nations would be in the third world, that is so ridiculous. You perhaps didn't know that Sweden and Finland (you know, the countries in Scandinavia, with Stockholm and Helsinki) are the two most technically advanced countries IN THE WORLD! Faaar before the (third world country?) USA in cell phones and computers per capita.

Sweden, Europe, [B]EARTH![B]

	02-11-2001 23:04									#34
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What I really want are all those goodies in LE in the Civ 3's Expansion pack with a useful scenario editor, lots of the bugs already fixed, and that awaited MP option.

Now that's a great LE!

	02-11-2001 23:05									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion I think it has been said here that the LE would be released in Germany, as there won't be a German version until March. Well, I think it's not a fault to join the coalition, either way. So I'm definitely for it!

The LE will not be released outside USA and Canada, so it will not be released in Germany.
The English version will be released in Germany the 16 of November, but if you want it in the German language, you'll have to wait 'till March.

	02-11-2001 23:26									#36
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory You will have to order it from our people

Looks like faded glory has dug his own grave.
As you should very well know; Infogrames has
banned shipments to customers outside the US-Canada zone.

quote: usa ! USA!! USA !!!

So you don't have any other good arguments than that?

	02-11-2001 23:35									#37
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It (LE) shipped towards my country yesterday! Yay! Can't wait!

	02-11-2001 23:38									#38
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quote: Originally posted by dasaecorvic LIMITED EDITION FOR EVERYBODY!!!!!

One more supporter. Excellent!
Welcome to the team, dasaecorvic!

Good to see that someone has adapted
a message signature that supports this
campaign.

	02-11-2001 23:49									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Deathray Ok, you are misinformed/mistaken about some of that. The European games market is now quite a bit larger than the US market, and the Asian games market is quite large as well (although there is quite a lot of piracy in some parts of Asia).

That's a fact. Deatray is right. The US market might
be visible, but if you calculate a bit, there's certainly
more customers in Europe, Asia and Australasia.
Of course it's true that there's lots of piracy in
Asia, but the potential amount of customers is huge.

quote: We don't like it. Its not TS. We're going to do something about it.

That's the right attitude.

quote: Overpatriotism sucks. Just because you are born in a country doesn't make you superior/more deserving.

That's what I call British sense for reality; and I certainly
agree with you.

	02-11-2001 23:56									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion I think it has been said here that the LE would be released in Germany, as there won't be a German version until March. Well, I think it's not a fault to join the coalition, either way. So I'm definitely for it!

And even if the LE would be available for German civers,
would that be fair for rest of us? I don't think it would.
So Infogrames should still be kept under preasure.
BTW, that assuming might be true, because there
was some rumours on that weeks ago that "Europe might
see LE in 2002". But as I said, it's a quite unreliable rumour.

	03-11-2001 00:08									#41
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quote: Originally posted by lindberg-johan And I am sure that there are a lot of these 7-10 year old kids in the US, and of course in Europe too...

And the point was that kids might get attracted to the
LE's special looking tin and get their parents to buy it,
while the "real" Civ III fans outside US-Canada don't
get an opportunity to buy the BTE.

quote: You perhaps didn't know that Sweden and Finland (you know, the countries in Scandinavia, with Stockholm and Helsinki) are the two most technically advanced countries IN THE WORLD! Faaar before the (third world country?) USA in cell phones and computers per capita.

And that what Johan is saying, is actually
the truth. The Swedish Ericsson and Finnish Nokia
are those two mobile phone manufactures that have
developed many of the new inventions in the
wireless communications. Besides that, just think of
all the scientific inventions invented by Swedish and Finnish
inventors during the last 100 years.

P.S. Vilken drulle den där typen från USA är!

	03-11-2001 00:29									#42
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It's once again time for the regular briefing...

Headlines

The BTC is in the spotlight at ACS' Civ III news section.
Infogrames doesn't want to co-operate?
Firaxis has been contacted by Rasbelin.
More should be done...

The BTC is in the spotlight at ACS' Civ III news section.

DanQ has posted a news bulletin on the Civ III
news page about The BTC (The Bisquit Tin Coalition).
Hopefully the news will help us get new supporters.
For more on this, check http://apolyton.net/civ3.

Infogrames doesn't want to co-operate?

Infogrames sales department hasn't yet been
in touch with me (Rasbelin) about the inquiry in
sent yesterday. So for the moment it looks like
they might be unwilling to give us any information.
I suggest that more preasure should be put on them.

Firaxis has been contacted by Rasbelin.

And now the best part of the briefing.
My inquiry for information to Firaxis.
The message was sent two hours ago.


Greetings!

I'm contacting you at Firaxis on the behalf of the so called "The Bisquit Tin Coalition", the campaign movement on the Apolyton CS for a worldwide release of the Civ III Limited Edition and the removal of the current shipment ban for orders to outside USA and Canada. But what am I asking for, when Firaxis doesn't distribute the game?

It would help the goals of our campaign if Firaxis could provide The BTC with information on the distribution agreement made with Infogrames Interactive on the distribution of Civ III and Civ III LE. More specific we would like to know if Firaxis has agreed with Infogrames on a limitation of the distribution and customers of US retailers that have ordered from outside US. Or hasn't anything been agreed at a such detailed level of the distribution? If so, would you be able to provide me with the contact information of the person who's in charge of the distribution of Civ III at Infogrames (probably the sales department), because Infogrames hasn't wanted to
co-operate with The BTC? The contact information would be very useful for the campaign, because it would make it easier for us to have a dialogue with Infogrames.

It would also be helpful if Firaxis would discuss the issue of the Civ III LE distribution with Infogrames, because many devoted Civilization players outside USA and Canada doesn't have the opportunity to share the joy and excitement of playing the Limited Edition. One matter that makes the treatment of those who have pre-ordered/ordered the LE worse, is that Infogrames hasn't informed the customers in any form, so there's a real lack of proper information for the moment.

My personal opinion is that Firaxis could at least drop Infogrames a hint that they have been contacted by a coalition of civ fans that are demanding an international release of the Limited Edition.

For more information on the campaign and it's campaign discussion, please visit Apolyton CS Forums. The re-direction URL is http://the-bisquit-tin-coalition.cjb.net.

Finally I want thank you in advance for any help that Firaxis provide us. Even a "Thank you for your interest in Firaxis' games!" is better than nothing at all. But it would really be a huge help for us, if Firaxis could provide us with as much information as you can.

With warm regards,
Rasmus Anderssén, The BTC


Hopefully they will reply to this message.

More should be done...

The campaign has gained much neede publicity
today, but more things should be done on basic
level, First of all I'm going to send an email
to the Infogrames sales department as
a reminder that their answer is demanded.
Then I'd like to know if any of you has preordered/ordered
from Chips & Bits a LE? And how about EBgames.com?
Why I need that info, is that someone who's
their customer should send a customer inquiry
to them for more details on international shipments.
I can't do that, because I'm not their customer
as you might know (I have preordered from Amazon.com).

That's all from me for now.

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	03-11-2001 00:37									#43
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Over on the UK Infogrames forums myself and other Apolyton-ites have been making a nuisance of ourselves, the long suffering forum admin made this reply to our queries about BTE

~~~~~~~~
re: the limited edition. This is in negotiation for the UK atm, it's possible something could come out for early next year. Leaves me a bit confused as well, people will own the game by then anyway so I don't know what's or why it's in discussion. Sorry
~~~~~~~~

Of no help but thought you might be interested.

The url for this thread on the forum is

http://www.uk.infogrames.com/forums/thread.asp?ID=5696

	03-11-2001 00:38									#44
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New BTC signatures...

Infogrames = Betrays Civilization III fans.

Comrade apolytoner, join the coalition for Civ III LE!

The Bisquit Tin Coalition needs YOU!

The Civ III LE's worldwide release needs everyone's support.

Face Infogrames now. Send an e-mail of complain to them.

You can use these sigs free of charge.

	03-11-2001 01:11									#45
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quote: Originally posted by wal35 Of no help but thought you might be interested.

No at all. It's good that one of us is keeping an eye
on the Infogrames UK forum. I suggest that you
would be granted the official task and title:
The BTC's envoy to Infogrames UK Forums.
Is it okay for you? I suggest that your task
includes following the discussions on the IG UK forum,
and if necessary, post on the behalf of The BTC there.
But it should be related to the idea of this movement.

	03-11-2001 01:44									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin No at all. It's good that one of us is keeping an eye on the Infogrames UK forum. I suggest that you would be granted the official task and title: The BTC's envoy to Infogrames UK Forums. Is it okay for you? I suggest that your task includes following the discussions on the IG UK forum, and if necessary, post on the behalf of The BTC there. But it should be related to the idea of this movement.

I'm very honoured at the thought of being the BTC's envoy but I would feel a bit of a fraud as
(a) I wouldn't buy the BTE anyway (cookies never last long enough near me to warrant a tin )
(b) I think the Infogrames UK forum admin is sympathetic to our cause but in the end can only trot out the company line.

However I will be happy to report back any info posted there and make comments as the mood takes me.

So how about spy rather than envoy ? or

	03-11-2001 02:26									#47
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hi, I don't know how many Civers are in France where I belong but I do think that Infogrames or Firaxis or whoever should make a real effort to bring us as fast as possible the last release of Civ III LE or normal ed who cares? Ain't we chasing for collectors' items or dying to play the last version of the most interesting and intellent game we had ever met? Infogrames, listen our SHOUTING calls, we want Civ III NOW!
D.Wizun PARIS

	03-11-2001 03:41									#48
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quote: Originally posted by wal35 (b) I think the Infogrames UK forum admin is sympathetic to our cause but in the end can only trot out the company line.

Well, you're probably right. But that's not the only
reason why I avoid the IG's forums. Why would I support
them by using their forums, if they ban the LE?

quote: However I will be happy to report back any info posted there and make comments as the mood takes me.

I'm pleased to hear that, because I really don't
have time for being everywhere at the same time,
and the upcoming BTC website takes also time.
So let's say it's agreed.

quote: So how about spy rather than envoy ?

Okay, let's give you this title and task:
BTC's Infogrames UK Forums spy. Is it ok?

	03-11-2001 03:44									#49
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I have contributed this to the Infogrames Forums:

I am a hardcore Civ fan from Denmark, who has been awaiting Civ3 for months now. Incidentally, I am from Apolyton, too. And though it is frustrating to know that my fellow civers in the US and Canada are playing the game now, there's not much I can do about it. I can accept that.

What I cannot accept is the fact that it will be impossible to buy the LE in my country. I thought that Infogrames are as interested in making money, as the next company. Apparently I was wrong. Why Infogrames would exclude more than 50% of the potential market from buying this product, I do not understand. Even more horrific is the fact, that Infogrames has also forbidden Amazon, EB and other Internet retailers from shipping this product outside US and Canada.

I strongly urge Infogrames to change their policies regarding this.

Other than that, I guess I can wait two weeks more. I have ordered the games (not the LE) from Amazon, and will hopefully be playing Civ3 by Nov. 22. I know I will enjoy that. What I do not enjoy is thinking about the fact, that in the eyes of Infogrames, my money and my oppinions count less, than the money and oppinions of civers in North America.

Asmodean


Now I hope they take us seriously.

Asmodean

	03-11-2001 03:46									#50
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quote: Originally posted by shinoui hi, I don't know how many Civers are in France where I belong but I do think that Infogrames or Firaxis or whoever should make a real effort to bring us as fast as possible the last release of Civ III LE or normal ed who cares?

Good to see some new faces. Would you like
to take part in an active way or do you want to
be a "moral supporter"?

	03-11-2001 03:56									#51
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I have a copy of LE I can sell. It cost me $64 US, which what I can get back with a return. If anyone is interested send me a PM. I'll decide by next Thursday.

Of couse, you should probably wonder why I'm so eager to unload this game.

	03-11-2001 04:01									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Asmodean I have contributed this to the Infogrames Forums: I am a hardcore Civ fan from Denmark, who has been awaiting Civ3 for months now. Incidentally, I am from Apolyton, too. -cut- What I do not enjoy is thinking about the fact, that in the eyes of Infogrames, my money and my oppinions count less, than the money and oppinions of civers in North America.

Well done! It's good that you too have posted at IG UK Forums,
because I don't have time to dicuss everywhere currently.
Would you like to take a certain task to do in the BTC?

quote: Now I hope they take us seriously.

I hope that too. But we'll have to post more postings
for achieving the goal. How bad that even sounds,
it's a matter of fact (IMO).

	03-11-2001 04:08									#53
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quote: Originally posted by n.c. I have a copy of LE I can sell. It cost me $64 US, which what I can get back with a return.

Thanks for your offer, but it won't help us to
get LE to all who want it. Sorry.

	03-11-2001 04:23									#54
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Can Infogames put an emargo on where it is sold or where it is send to??????????????

I am a bit confused here. I ordered my copy at EB about a month ago and according to UPS it is in Cologne, Germay right now (could drive their in an hour or so). Who can stop it????????

	03-11-2001 05:12									#55
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I probably wouldn't buy the BT but I know a lot of people here who would so I'm in!

	03-11-2001 06:27									#56
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Amazon has just informed me that the Biscuit Tin is now on its way to the green and pleasant England. I don't know if this is because I ordered before the International ban....

	03-11-2001 07:04									#57
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I DEMAND the right to keep biscuits in my LE civ3 biscuit tin !!
Down with the capitalist fascists

I do think its unfair, see my post in the general section.
We shouldn't trivialise this ... oops i just did but ignore those first 2 lines :lol

AdmiralPJ - been out at sea a bit TOO long

	03-11-2001 08:10									#58
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I support the Biscuit Tin Coalition.

reveillez - vous les Francais (coded message for Infogrames).

	03-11-2001 12:12									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Good to see some new faces. Would you like to take part in an active way or do you want to be a "moral supporter"?

Hi Rasbelin,
I already sent e-mails to Firaxis and to Infogrames France. Firaxis never answered, Infogrames sent back a silly mail asking me to check the schedule for the release of new games for November...as one can guess no Civ is present for the near future. This morning, I posted on the general forum of Infogrames UK a shout for a fast release. What can I do ?
I planned to buy it in Finland where I shall travel next May....but it's a long time to wait for...

	03-11-2001 15:55									#60
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Hmm, I have received a notice from Amazon that my LE has been shipped on November 1st, and should arrive between November 8th-15th; I'm in Finland too, so perhaps also you will be receiving it, Rasbelin? On the product page of the LE it says the item can be shipped only within US - _currently_. I ordered and pre-paid the LE a month ago, way before the ban, so perhaps that is the reason?