03-11-2001 06:39									#31
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What key?

	03-11-2001 13:39									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Faeelin What key?

Key?

	03-11-2001 14:58									#33
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Cool. So it just copies all of the details of the other civ. And it looks like they can be edited. Now we just got to find a way to edit leader graphics...

Does this mean we can add more than 16 to a game too? Has anyone tried? I would but my game isn't here yet

	03-11-2001 15:35									#34
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quote: Originally posted by E Does this mean we can add more than 16 to a game too? Has anyone tried? I would but my game isn't here yet

Willy said that it only was 16 civ per game currently, but that you could select from a bigger part. This mean that the random opponents is mush more useful.

	03-11-2001 15:53									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Another screen. This time with 19 civs (If one can call all of them that )

Maybe I´m nitpicking, but these are 21 'civs'.

	03-11-2001 16:01									#36
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quote: Originally posted by lockstep Maybe I´m nitpicking, but these are 21 'civs'.

Yes, you are right. You know I'm bad at headcounting when it comes to after midnight. I was going to go to sleep when Willy was ready to start test that. So I made the change in the tool and waited for him to test the tool before I got to bet.

Willy said that he would copy the 17th civ 4 times. I made a quick calculation 17+4=19
Well, lets say the 21 civs can be in the civ selection box then.

	03-11-2001 16:17									#37
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i have a news item to modify...

	03-11-2001 16:28									#38
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG i have a news item to modify...

I missed that news item. Otherwise I would have sent a PM to you about it.

Did I ever wrote that you could have 21 civs in a game? I only remember being tired. I maybe wasn't clear enough. As it currently stands only 16 in a game, but higher number of civs to choose from. I've not tested it yet, but I believe that the game supports up to 32 civs to choose from. Still you can't play with more then 16 civs. Hope this clear things out.

	03-11-2001 17:09									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Did I ever wrote that you could have 21 civs in a game? I only remember being tired. I maybe wasn't clear enough. As it currently stands only 16 in a game, but higher number of civs to choose from. I've not tested it yet, but I believe that the game supports up to 32 civs to choose from. Still you can't play with more then 16 civs. Hope this clear things out.

yeah you werent clear about that, and i think i wasnt exactly clear either

	03-11-2001 17:25									#40
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I cant test yet either, live in new zealand, which is a pity cos this seems like a great thing.
if you dont mind me asking HOW THE HECK DID YOU DO ALL THIS BEFORE EVEN GETTING THE GAME!
what a legend

	03-11-2001 17:59									#41
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The canadian leader even got traditional lumberjack (backwoodler) outfit, great work.

	03-11-2001 18:16									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos If you don't change the key to civilopedia you shouldn't have to edit it.

That key.

I'm still unsure as to what I'm doing wrong. This does let you add new units and techs to the game, right?

	03-11-2001 19:03									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Faeelin That key. I'm still unsure as to what I'm doing wrong. This does let you add new units and techs to the game, right?

Ah, forgot about that.

I've marked it in a screenshot of the editor.

The key tells the game what in the civilopedia to look for.

	04-11-2001 02:50									#44
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New version.

Well, the biggest change (that can be seen) is that an option to rename copied units has been added. It should make it easier to create a specific unit based of another unit. The original editor is still needed to fix the properties for the unit, but the program "shall" copy the directory and rename the ini-file.

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	04-11-2001 05:27									#45
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sorry to disappoint everyone (11) with the new file that there was an error in the renaming which was caused by a last minute change that only were made in one part of the tool instead of two.

Here is a working version.

The version is edited out by version 0.51 after 70 downloads

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	04-11-2001 10:33									#46
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I dont know if I am doing something wrong, but when I go into the foreign advisor screen with my new Civ it crashes. I think I did everything right but I might have missed something. Has anyone been haveing the same problem? And can anyone help me with this.

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	04-11-2001 19:04									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Thexx I dont know if I am doing something wrong, but when I go into the foreign advisor screen with my new Civ it crashes. I think I did everything right but I might have missed something. Has anyone been haveing the same problem? And can anyone help me with this. Thexx thexx@onewest.net

Have you changed the unique color of the copied civ, or is it possible that two civs have the same color. (I can't help you mush befor I have the game. All testing is done by people with the game.)

	04-11-2001 19:06									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos sorry to disappoint everyone (11) with the new file that there was an error in the renaming which was caused by a last minute change that only were made in one part of the tool instead of two. Here is a working version.

No offense, Gramphos, but with the speed that you've been updating this thing, I think I'll wait until you post the final version!

Marc

	04-11-2001 19:14									#49
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quote: Originally posted by tmarcl No offense, Gramphos, but with the speed that you've been updating this thing, I think I'll wait until you post the final version! Marc

Well, this is the last day of my holy day, so I think the updates will be less often from now. I have schoolwork to attend to. Books to read, and another big program to make for school (before spring). And I can't be awake when the Americans are mush more which means less testing. But I plan a new feature, which I'm not yet ready to speak more about; in case I can't make it as I want it, in the next update.

	04-11-2001 20:15									#50
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with this great util it seems like you can create new civs real nice... but I know wondered if, and if so, how you can get it to show pics/animations of the leader of that civ

[Off topic]with what prog can you view the .bic and the .flc files?[/Off topic]

Grtz,

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	04-11-2001 21:18									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Frag-Overrule with what prog can you view the .bic and the .flc files? Grtz,

.bic-files are in binary format and can be loaded with any HEX-editor.
.flc files can be loaded by many animation programs as Jasc Animation Shop.

	05-11-2001 01:13									#52
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Version 0.51

(that's right I've added a version number)

- Anything else?
- Oh yes, but mots under the hod.
- Like what?
- Well, with this version you will no longer need to set all units to be available to the copied civs.


Except from that I have bad news. The max number of civ spots is indeed 32, but one is used by the barbarians, which makes it impossible to add more then 15 civs.

OUT after 62 downloads.

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	05-11-2001 17:01									#53
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Only 32! Ah well, I suppose I can live with ONLY double the number...

By the way, by adding these civs, can you still only have 16 in the game? And if so do you think it would be possible to have up to 32 playing at the same time?

I realise that 32 civs in a standard game would be a bit much, but for scenarios (I am think in particular here of modern world scenarios on huge maps) it could be ideal.

	05-11-2001 18:01									#54
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quote: Originally posted by StarBegotten Only 32! Ah well, I suppose I can live with ONLY double the number... By the way, by adding these civs, can you still only have 16 in the game? And if so do you think it would be possible to have up to 32 playing at the same time? I realise that 32 civs in a standard game would be a bit much, but for scenarios (I am think in particular here of modern world scenarios on huge maps) it could be ideal.

Currently only 16 civs in a game.

I can't tell whether it is possible to play with more, but I highly doubt that Firaxis has any support for it in the mainexe.

Oh, and you can only have 31 civs, one is used by the Barabrians.

	05-11-2001 23:53									#55
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Version 0.60 is ready.

New is a possibility to export and import civs to the bics from another fileformat. Also an error with the copying if you had added any culture things has been fixed.

The new function is useful to copy a civ from one bic to another.

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	06-11-2001 00:28									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Another screen. This time with 21 civs (If one can call all of them that )

WOW how did you maneged to make that prog witout having the game?
Incredible so for example ou can add Poland?


yes i know they aren't 100% "new civ" but..... you can chose city name's and UU for them?

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	06-11-2001 04:40									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Version 0.60 is ready. New is a possibility to export and import civs to the bics from another fileformat. Also an error with the copying if you had added any culture things has been fixed. The new function is useful to copy a civ from one bic to another.

The cancel button in the import dialog doesn't seem to work, so if you don't have a file to select to import a civ from, it just keeps looping and giving you the same file open box. The only way out is ctrl-alt-delete.

Good work overall, btw...I'm finding this really useful. Not everything I always wanted, because of the 'load scenario' bug, but that's not your bug to deal with........

	06-11-2001 09:46									#58
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I downloaded it and uzipped it and when I try to run it I get an error. The Error is below. Let me know if you have anything on this. Thanks.

Attachment: error.jpg
This has been downloaded 1113 time(s).

	06-11-2001 17:02									#59
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quote: Originally posted by TalonZahn I downloaded it and uzipped it and when I try to run it I get an error. The Error is below. Let me know if you have anything on this. Thanks.

What you need is the vb-runtime. They are 4 zipped files in the attachment limit, and I don't like to post them again. I've posted them at civfanatics. You can get them there. If more people experience this I might make a vbruntime setup and mail to Markos, but I'm not posting them here.

	06-11-2001 17:06									#60
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quote: Originally posted by dv8ed The cancel button in the import dialog doesn't seem to work, so if you don't have a file to select to import a civ from, it just keeps looping and giving you the same file open box. The only way out is ctrl-alt-delete. Good work overall, btw...I'm finding this really useful. Not everything I always wanted, because of the 'load scenario' bug, but that's not your bug to deal with........

The link between the forms were added in a hurry, I believe I forgot that. I also have more things to export/import, but civs had #1 priority.