02-11-2001 00:20									#1
	I've converted the Civ 2 Huge earth map to Civ 3 Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

This is the latest update of the world map, ive inclded more rescource, placing them where I feel they should go, ive played the map quite a bit and everything works out ok, so the map is playable as is. if you don't what to have such an interesting time trying to trade for resources you may want to add more, but having less makes things much more interesting. also I've added goddy huts and a few barbarians.



original message: Well it took me a while and with the server so busy i had a hell of a time posting it but ive completed coverting the Civ2 huge earth Map. I made a few changes (not that many really just greenland) and i wasn't too sure about the placement of the recources, someone may want to go in and redo thier placement as i just kind of guessed where they should go.

Attachment: civ2earthtociv3.zip
This has been downloaded 7495 time(s).

Last edited by AlmightyBob on 08-11-2001 at 12:45

	02-11-2001 03:45									#2
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Things are looking up! Do you have a screenshot of the new map compared to the one in Civ3? (I've heard Civ3 only has two zoom levels so an overall view might not even be possible).

	02-11-2001 05:04									#3
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I'm sure you'll be able to find screen shots in other threads of the earth maps that are included with civ 3. Trust me they are not very good, and if you want to see the map. simply open you Civ 2 map editor and open the World.mp. the only change is greenland and I had to put the resourses where I thought they would be found in real life. ie. oil in the mideast, alaska and siberia. Horses in central europe, China and central africa. Ect. Now that I think about it there should be recourses else were on the map. Perhapes we need to have a disscusion on where they should be placed to map it more accurate.

	02-11-2001 06:01									#4
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Could you post up a screenshot of your map anyway? Pleeaaaaaase! Cause I have neither civ 2 or 3 on my computer right now. Of course civ 1 is a different story. . .

	02-11-2001 06:30									#5
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Great work!! Look teriffic.. Now i just need to restart a few times until i start at my real location.. :-)

One thing, maybe add more resources? There might be to little of
them if you play 16 civs.

/Mathias

	02-11-2001 08:35									#6
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if you wanna know where resources should be put, a good place to look would prolly be the real maps provided at [url]http://haven.apolyton.net/[/urk]

there are special resource maps for some parts of the world and a lot of other interesting ones (if you can find them)

	02-11-2001 08:35									#7
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if you wanna know where resources should be put, a good place to look would prolly be the real maps provided at http://haven.apolyton.net/

there are special resource maps for some parts of the world and a lot of other interesting ones (if you can find them)

	02-11-2001 08:37									#8
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nuts, sorry about the echo, i accidentally clicked submit, then preview straight after. then I noticed that it was rong and changed it.

	02-11-2001 10:23									#9
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ok, after being begged I will post some images
here is the civ 3 world map
its europe, notice how england is misshapen and coverd in forest
notice how greece is all hills with no where to settle

Attachment: europeold.jpg
This has been downloaded 14361 time(s).

	02-11-2001 10:25									#10
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here is the Civ 2 world map
again its europe, frankly its just a better map, or at least thats my opinion

Attachment: europenew.jpg
This has been downloaded 14053 time(s).

	02-11-2001 11:17									#11
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Great work on the map! This should make some people happy that didn't care for the original.

	02-11-2001 11:52									#12
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Thank you. Now there is Italy with Sicilian, with Greece
I'll certainly exchange the map when I've my copy.

	02-11-2001 12:39									#13
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Can you post some minimap shots (too see how big Europe now looks... it might be too big comparatively to the rest of the world).

	02-11-2001 12:52									#14
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the civ 2 map that AB has done is 120 x 75...
anyone interested in doing a map that is 240 x 150 with each square basically ballooning into four? this would also allow for more detail, etc...

btw southern france needs more than 1 wine so that it can trade some....

	02-11-2001 13:40									#15
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quote: Originally posted by AlmightyBob Well it took me a while and with the server so busy i had a hell of a time posting it but ive completed coverting the Civ2 huge earth Map. I made a few changes (not that many really just greenland) and i wasn't too sure about the placement of the recources, someone may want to go in and redo thier placement as i just kind of guessed where they should go.

Thanks a bunch =).

How did you do it? Was it by hard work, or did you find a way to conver these images?

I have been wanting the one that has the many Roman scens on it converted...

If it was done the hard way, How the heck did you do it with the map editor and no zoom option?

	02-11-2001 14:15									#16
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Hi folks!

Well, I still don´t have Civ3, but I have received a confirmation Email by Amazon that my game has shipped

Anyway, I have made a huge Earthmap originally for Civ2 MGE / ToT (150x200), but I think you could use the design also for Civ3...



Compare this with the original map...



You can find the new map here:
http://www.crede.ch/civ3/civ2_worldmapnew.zip

Have fun!

	02-11-2001 16:46									#17
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MrNett, would you be so nett and email me that map to andz83@gmx.net ? thank you

	02-11-2001 17:13									#18
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quote: Matte979:One thing, maybe add more resources? There might be to little of them if you play 16 civs.

I added additional resources to the map. I determined what resources to add where from various websites I went to. I could not get the website Mr.Roger suggested to work right, but anyone can feel free to adjust/update the map.

Currently there are about 11-20 of each strategic resource on the map... before some where as low as 4.

Attached is the updated version...

	02-11-2001 18:34									#19
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The map is much better than the default almightbob! Thanks alot!

Of course you can never get a fully realistic map since the world is flat in civ and sphere in the real world.

Either you have to sacrifice the shape of the world (continents have a different form than they do in the real world) or the landmass of world (continents are bigger or smaller than in the real world).

But this map is a vera good compromise on both areas, thanks alot!

	02-11-2001 18:51									#20
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oops, no reason to send the map, Nett... I didn't realize there's a link given

	02-11-2001 20:36									#21
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Hey Mr Nett

Your huge Civ2 map looks fantastic!! Beautiful work, first class. I hope someone with the know-how, and the patience, can transform it into a Civ3 map before my copy of the game arrives from Canada.

	02-11-2001 21:55									#22
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For those of you who asked I did it by hard old fashion work, I opened my Civ 3 editor and my civ 2 editor and went screen by screen, tile by tile. I cant get an All world screen since the editor won't allow me to zoom out. I guess i could play the game all the way through and use the mini map screen, but I don't think Im going to. and i'll take A look at that large world map Mr.Nett and see what I think.

	02-11-2001 23:01									#23
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Well, I'm not at home this week, and I don't have Civ2 installed on this machine. But as soon as I get home to my comp and my DSL , I'll download all the stuff

	03-11-2001 19:30									#24
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Just to let you fellow civers know, I am currently working on an excelelnt very large world map. its looking sweet right now.

It is 250W by 180H

Im thinking i will copy the 1st version of it and make it so one will feature a already completed panama and suez cannels while the other will be uncompleted forcing you to travel around south america and Africa.

What do you think?

	03-11-2001 20:10									#25
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What about resources on these maps? Do they exist, or does the game assigns them randomly?

	03-11-2001 21:17									#26
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Yes you have control of where you want each indivitual resource. this iwll make my map much more realistic.

	04-11-2001 10:02									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Pyrodrew I added additional resources to the map. I determined what resources to add where from various websites I went to. I could not get the website Mr.Roger suggested to work right, but anyone can feel free to adjust/update the map. Currently there are about 11-20 of each strategic resource on the map... before some where as low as 4. Attached is the updated version...

Cool. Question, though: if you start a game with this map, will it put villages around in places? As in goody huts and barbarians, etc?

Also, if you want to avoid that annoying science advisor bug that keeps you from clicking on it, just make a copy, set that copy for 'use default rules' and save it. It keeps that annoying bug away quite nicely.

	04-11-2001 11:07									#28
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ok, I looked at Pyrodrew's map too see what he had done with it. There was only one real problem that i could find with it. This is the problem of Horses in the americas. any one who knows history will tell you that horses were imported by the europeans and that native americans didn't have horses untill then. other than that his map looked good. So I updated my map with more rescources and then I placed goody huts and barbarian villages. I then play tested it several times adding rescources when ever I found a major problem and things seem to work better. Some of the resources were left with a low number for the specific purpose of making compitition to aquire that resource. It adds a level to the game that I found some what lacking in Pyrodrew's version. But i do plan to play for some time more on the map as different Civs in different locations, just to see how it all works out and because this game rules, even with the problems we have been having.

Last edited by AlmightyBob on 06-11-2001 at 09:55

	04-11-2001 11:12									#29
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Thanks pyrodrew, Almighty Bob and everyone for all the great work.

I can't use your maps yet as I'm still waiting for my game to arrive from Canada. Can you tell me whether Civ 3 will start each civ in its historic location on your maps. Will the English appear in England, or might the game cause them to start anywhere on the map. If the latter, can this be fixed so that civs start where they historically belong.

	04-11-2001 11:51									#30
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This is one of the major problems of the game. In this version of the editor you cannot put a Civ in its historic place. You can only make a tile a place for a civ, any civ to start. I say this version of the the editor because rumor has it that Firaxis will update it in the future to include these options. what I have been doing to work around this is simply pick the civ I want and if I don't start where I want to, I simply start a new game until I get the right spot. unfortunatly this doesn't help for computer civs. You might play against the Americans in Europe and the Chinese in North America. I thought about just placing a single player starting location where I wanted to start, thinking that the computer would place me there and the other civs would be placed randomly but this did not seem to work. has anyone else tried this?