05-11-2001 09:14									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Soren Johnson Firaxis whoops... sorry for the confusion. Regular submarines cannot carry anything, including Cruise Missiles...

Sounds like Catch 22! So which subs carry Tomahawks? (Note Avatar)

GP taps foot...

	05-11-2001 09:15									#32
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I lost twice on Regent level even though was winning easily on Prince level in Civ2. Then I followed the suggestion from the manual to drop my level a bit and succefully won space race on Warlord. I guess everyone lost at least once in Civ3 as it's totally different from the rest. Love this game though(even corruption can't take the fun of playing).

	05-11-2001 09:26									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Soren Johnson Firaxis I am following this thread with interest for the patch. Let me spell a few things out. Bombers have a 50% chance of being interecepted if you set your fighter on Air Superiority. The "interception range" of a Fighter is half of its Operational Range. Stealth Bombers, however, have only a 5% chance of being intercepted. Thus, if the AI attacks you with a lot of Stealth Bombers, you will probably rarely see them be intercepted. So, what have people experienced?

So is that why some people have complained that the Intercept didn't work? what happens if never does? what about the Coastal Fortress not firing at Enemy ships closeby?

Can we adjust the percentage in the rules?

-LMP

	06-11-2001 04:41									#34
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Somebody with the game, please clarify. Do any subs carry cruise missiles?

	06-11-2001 04:47									#35
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No sub do not carry missile only nuclear sub. (manual - page 78 top paragraph)the cruise missile itself acting strange cannot go over the sea.

About interception. Now I changed my strategy of playing. Rather than waiting my stupid fighter to intercept, I use some of my fighter for bombing, thus when interception by computer occurs my plane can shoot them down.

that's my 2 cents.

	06-11-2001 04:50									#36
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quote: Originally posted by GP Somebody with the game, please clarify. Do any subs carry cruise missiles?

They only carry tac. nukes.

-Alech

	06-11-2001 04:51									#37
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Sorry can't edit my post so I post again

No sub do not carry missile only nuclear sub. (manual - page 78 top paragraph)the cruise missile itself acting strange cannot go over the sea.

About interception. Now I changed my strategy of playing. Rather than waiting my stupid fighter to intercept, I use some of my fighter for bombing, thus when interception by computer occurs my plane can shoot them down.

that's my 2 cents.

	06-11-2001 05:08									#38
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But cruise missiles are carried on subs irl.

Which units carry cruise missiles.

	06-11-2001 05:12									#39
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I'm trying to find that out too. I have tried load it to air carrier but unsuccesful. So I'm confused what the heck is this cruise missile for.

In civ 2 you can load it to sub marine up to 2 missiles of any kind!

if you find out let me know too.

	06-11-2001 05:17									#40
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I don't have the game yet.

	06-11-2001 05:30									#41
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You CAN'T load cruise missiles on anything. Only Nukes can be loaded on nuclear submarine.

	06-11-2001 07:54									#42
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quote: Originally posted by CapTVK So if you're being attacked by stealth bombers it's possible to score not a single hit. But if this non intercept happens with ordinary bombers someone must have forgotten to place a comma in the intercept formula.

Silly European, American is an English-speaking country: we Anglos use periods as decimals. So do programming languages, incidentally, unless there are other language compilers with decimals (come to think of it, there probably are, I've just never heard of non-English compilers).

	06-11-2001 10:27									#43
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firaxis
can u please herry up with a quick fix for the interception problem.
its ruin the game!!! i have no defence against those bombers!plzzzzzz....

	06-11-2001 11:19									#44
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Why are the subs the same speed when the description says for the nuke sub says its faster?

	06-11-2001 11:23									#45
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I know- don't know why the subs are the same speed (probably late development change).

Check out my mod for increased sub attributes- click my sig:

	06-11-2001 18:30									#46
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Please post the direct link.

I and many other users have "turned off" signatures.

	07-11-2001 09:20									#47
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http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...6100#post586456

	07-11-2001 22:41									#48
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I checked stealth fighter in the editor. Interceptions is NOT checked. Maybe this box should be checked and that will fix the problem

	07-11-2001 22:54									#49
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What about the standard fighter... is interceptions checked there?

Cheers,

Dr. Charm

	07-11-2001 22:55									#50
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quote: Originally posted by freezuch You CAN'T load cruise missiles on anything. Only Nukes can be loaded on nuclear submarine.

They are one shot artillery. The game treats them as ground units. (So, you can load on transports....)

	07-11-2001 23:10									#51
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Stealth Fighters can't perform air superiority missions. Given the fact they use a picture of an F-117 instead of a F-22 like in Civ2 that's "realistic"

BTW, you can make the subs carry cruise missiles if you set its tactical missile flag in the editor. I also make it so the battleship and AEGIS can carry them as well, and make it so you can airlift them as well as well as bumping the range up to 4.

Soren, is there a bug with the precision bombing? I can only target my own cities.

	08-11-2001 00:29									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Gyromancer They are one shot artillery. The game treats them as ground units. (So, you can load on transports....)

I am not at that point yet, but can someone verify if you can shoot a cruise missile while it's on a transport? This way, the transport will be the dedicated missile destroyer of my soon-to-be modern fleet.

	08-11-2001 00:46									#53
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Back to the original topic...

I'll repost what I said in another thread, because Soren seems to be monitoring this one. I played a game where 3 of my cities each had 2 fighters and were being bombarded every turn for 20 or so turns--not a single successful interception. Regular bombers, regular fighters, no stealth.

I have yet to see a successful interception.

	08-11-2001 07:32									#54
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What about the Precision bombing? First, I couldn't use precision bombing against the enemy city. Then I thought I might need to Investigate the city that I am about to launch the precision bombing.

But no matter what I did, either investigate first or not the Icon did not change to the bombing icon and it did not work.

I'm getting tired to find an answer about all this bombing, fighter stuff. I can only hope that maybe all these confusion and bugs had been discussed and aswered at the chat session with Soren today.

	08-11-2001 18:08									#55
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so.. bombers (normal ones) have a 50% chance of being intercepted? is that same percentage when they do a bombing run against a city that is defended by modern jet fighters with air to air missiles and radar / when the city has SAM missile battery?
if it is.. why

	08-11-2001 20:34									#56
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Bug.

I foolishly built a fleet of about 15 F-15s to compliment my horde of stealth bombers.

Too bad they're completely useless for two reasons:

1) They can't intercept **** due to the bug (and yes it's a bug, I had an enemy Civ launch 9 bombers at a single city (which btw had every single f-15 I owned .. that's to say 15 of them all set to air superiority - I quadruple checked to make sure I wasn't doing something wrong) for 6 turns in a row. The AI targetted tiles immediately in the citiy's radius and the city itself and I never had a single interception.

2) Precision bombing is bugged too - you can't target any city but your OWN cities with precision bombing - LOL. Let's see, guess there'd be NO REASON WHATSOEVER for a player to want to precision bomb any cities but his own .

Speaking of bugs, I ran into another nasty bug that basically gives you more money then you could ever spend. I think I'll go devote a thread to it.