07-11-2001 12:08									#1
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Hello All ...

I'm making a new world map. Smaller nations like Europe will be slightly distorted so that they are bigger. Just like the cold war maps. You'll actually be able to put 3 or 4 cities in England. Other continents like Africa and Asia will be squashed somewhat to make up for it.

I've attached a screen shot from the editor. Don't know how long it will take, but I'll post it here when I'm done.


Zeb

	07-11-2001 12:25									#2
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Thank you, i was terribly disappointed in the 'huge' world map friaxis sent with the game. after seeing the standard map in screen shots i figure the world map would be a good balance between reality and gameplay, but i feel as though i was wrong.

	07-11-2001 14:51									#3
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a good reason why its hard to make a good earth like map is coz the structure of the land images are not square like and can throw off the edges of the land.

u also can't tell what civ where to start...I hate that..

	07-11-2001 15:28									#4
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So far I've finished North and South America, Europe, and Northern Africa... I have three screen shots at the link below. Let me know if it doesn't work.

I believe you'll all be happy.


Try this link...

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/zeb_fish...ion+III&.view=t


Zeb

	07-11-2001 17:20									#5
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Hey, is this the largest size map possible? CIV 2 had alot more space than this.... didn't it? Yes? No? What size map is this??

	07-11-2001 18:08									#6
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Mexico really shouldn't be all desert. . . .

	08-11-2001 04:20									#7
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I've nearly completed the map. All I have left is Oceana and the Russian continent!

I'll need some help play testing it when I'm done... let me know if you interested.


I've added more screen shots to this link:

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/zeb_fish...ion+III&.view=t


I'll post more screenshots as I go.

Zeb

	08-11-2001 04:22									#8
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Hmmm ... that link didn't work.

Here's the correct link:

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/zeb_fish...ion+III&.view=t

Keep checking here for new screenshots...

	08-11-2001 05:41									#9
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Looks awesome!

Obvious question: What size will the map be?

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	08-11-2001 05:48									#10
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The map is 180 x 180 the Huge Size map.


Zeb

	08-11-2001 06:07									#11
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How do I make it stop? The switching is driving me crazy!

	09-11-2001 01:23									#12
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Hello everyone ...

The map is nearly complete! I have a screen shot of the entire map, plus a couple shots of it in game play.

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/zeb_fish...ion+III&.view=t

What I have left to do is make South America slightly bigger, perhaps make Africa bigger, move Hawaii closer to North America, paint in Greenland, some other small cosmetic changes, and that is probably it.


Zeb

	09-11-2001 01:24									#13
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quote: Originally posted by CobraA1 How do I make it stop? The switching is driving me crazy!

You can't make it stop... I use the plains terrain when the grassland is bugging me. The plains terrain seems to do coast better.

	09-11-2001 02:00									#14
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I meant the Yahoo! slide show. The stop button wasn't working. I wanted to admire your work .

	09-11-2001 19:22									#15
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Hey Everyone!

I've fixed South America and a few other spots. That makes me prety much finished with the map. All I have left to do is finish some shape work on Africa and then small cosmetic and game play stuff.

I've played it a couple times starting from Italy and up to Monotheism. It was actually pretty fun. If only you could specify exact starting locations for each civilization.

Here's the links to the screen shots...

Non slide show link:
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/zeb_f...rc=bc%26.view=t



Zeb

	10-11-2001 01:28									#16
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Should the aluminum resource represent Bauxite locations or Aluminum production? This is significant because production would put it in northern hemispere and Bauxite puts them mostly in the southern hemisphere.

Currently on the map I have it representing bauxite, I'm thinking I should change that.

Zeb

	10-11-2001 03:21									#17
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The map is complete!!!

http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/zeb_f...rc=bc%26.view=t


I still have the aluminum resource representing bauxite and in the southern hemisphere... Anyone think it should represent aluminum production instead? Reason I ask is because several resources come from the southern hemisphere ... the only things uniquely from the north are furs & wine. The southern hemisphere has inscence, ivory, silk, spices, gems, and rubber.

I have done some neat things with resources ... for instance the middle east has no iron what so ever ...


Zeb

	10-11-2001 07:58									#18
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Zeb,

Just checked out the latest version of the map and it looks great. Looking forward to trying it, but couldn't download from the site. Will you be providing a downloadable link?

Not sure of your aluminum question, and frankly don't want to know the answer. I prefer to stumble upon the resources as I play. (For that reason, I only looked at the "full map" view so as not to see the rest of the resources. Of course, I can't help knowing there will probably be oil in the mid-east, etc. )

	11-11-2001 21:31									#19
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I see you are missing: Svalbard, Franz Josef Land (both located north of Russia/Norway

Somthing I find odd: Are those islands south of South America supposed to be Falkland Islands and South Georgia? They are only two dots and both at the same level and east of the south tip of S.A. According to my map, there are no islands south of South America.

Hard to see: Do you have Cape Verde (west of Africa), Maldives (south of India) and Diego Garcia?

	14-11-2001 01:59									#20
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Hey everyone,

I've been away, so I haven't quite finished the map yet to where I want to post it. There's a few minor tweaks I want to make ... specifically with resource locations. And, some map work ... yea ... the Falkland Islands are out of place ... I'll make the fixes you suggested. I think there might be a problem with having an island being only one square though ... a civ puts a city on it and there is no way to invade ... can a galley unload units straight into an enemy city if it is unguarded or guarded?

Other than this, I've been playing the map from different locations and it proves to be quite fun. Each location requires a different strategy ... Americas you must expand fast, Italy you have to build a war machine very quickly, Japan you need a war machine and a small navy, England navy and expansion, etc...


Zeb

quote: Originally posted by vincentz I see you are missing: Svalbard, Franz Josef Land (both located north of Russia/Norway Somthing I find odd: Are those islands south of South America supposed to be Falkland Islands and South Georgia? They are only two dots and both at the same level and east of the south tip of S.A. According to my map, there are no islands south of South America. Hard to see: Do you have Cape Verde (west of Africa), Maldives (south of India) and Diego Garcia?

	15-11-2001 00:29									#21
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I've posted my map here on Apolyton ... Please look at the thread "Map of Earth"

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=34058


Zeb Fisher

	15-11-2001 01:07									#22
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Very nice, much better than the game map. My only beef is with that giant Brittany in France. Very good though.

I canot freain' believe we can't use historic starting locations. What the hell were they thinking!!!

	21-11-2001 10:49									#23
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got error when loading:
DataO operation System Error: CNSL

	21-11-2001 13:16									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Dreifels got error when loading: DataO operation System Error: CNSL

Hmmm ... I'm not really sure why that would happen. Did you download it from here?

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=34058

	21-11-2001 15:44									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Zeb_Fisher Hello All ... I'm making a new world map. Smaller nations like Europe will be slightly distorted so that they are bigger. Just like the cold war maps. You'll actually be able to put 3 or 4 cities in England. Other continents like Africa and Asia will be squashed somewhat to make up for it. I've attached a screen shot from the editor. Don't know how long it will take, but I'll post it here when I'm done. Zeb

At least you got some nerve calling Europe a "smaller nation"!!!



Fred

	21-11-2001 16:18									#26
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Map looks great Much better than the one they gave us

	25-11-2001 03:19									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Zeb_Fisher I have done some neat things with resources ... for instance the middle east has no iron what so ever ... Zeb

Um, why?

During the crusades, the Arabs had the finest steel in the world (Damascus steel).

It was blue, and was sharp enough that if you dropped a scarf on ot, it would slice it in two.

	25-11-2001 15:26									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Zeb_Fisher Should the aluminum resource represent Bauxite locations or Aluminum production? This is significant because production would put it in northern hemispere and Bauxite puts them mostly in the southern hemisphere. Currently on the map I have it representing bauxite, I'm thinking I should change that. Zeb

You place recources, not industry.
With aluminum it's similar like oil and rubber: recource is bauxit, but bauxit is to find also in ocean in concentrations. So from my view you should set some recource points just in the coast region on land where there are offshore recources. Both, for oil and for bauxit. But don't set aluminium to the places where factories are! That the more, as in the game is no way to take coal instead of oil to get the units (coal to oil)

	26-11-2001 05:23									#29
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Version 1.2 of the map is complete. I've completely reworked resources.

Go to this link to download:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=34058

	26-11-2001 12:08									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Zeb_Fisher Version 1.2 of the map is complete. I've completely reworked resources. [/url]

Complains, complains!!!!
sorry, but recources and sea transits between seas are wrong!

1) in Europe Germany and France two of the worldwide biggest recources of black coal and brown coal have, much more than England.
2) between Black Sea and Middle Sea you can go by ship! (Istambul)
3) North Africa didn not have so much horses in early time
4) Egyptans had wine at oasis (position 106,82) well known by romans, they liked it much and made a trade route for it.
5) Salpeter on Sina half-isle is a big joke (116,70)
6) Spain + France had been nearby complete forest in history!
7) River Rine has to go until 96,50-97,51
8) River Donau has to go until 96,48
9) what river you made at 106,48 ? There isn't such a river

10) and again, place a salpeter at every start point. It was NOT a strategic recource in history for gun powder, but the game allows the early gun powder weapons to build only if you have salpeter, so in this case you have to equal that bug. Otherwise the game will be unbalanced as you can research until atom and never get better untits than sword, bow and horses. Such is stupid.