17-12-2001 19:02									#151
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Are changes and things still being made to this mod? I really like what this mod has done iwth the game, but I am just wondering if it will continue to be updated as new patches come available.

	18-12-2001 06:29									#152
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I'm not quiet sure where I should post this but since the problem seems to be related to BIC file, I figured I'll try...

My Oil resource only appears in water squares, which means that I can't get it for all the units that need it
Now, I think that I may have come over a MOD that adds Oil as water resource but I don't think I actually installed it. Alhtough I did installed this MOD (LWC).
Either way, I opened the editor and checked Oil, and it is set to show up only on desert squares (maybe something else too) but NOT on water squares (I know there are 3 different types of water squares and it shouldn't appear on any of them).

Does anybody encountered something like that before? Any sudgestions?

If nothing works I'll simply restore to the original, of course, but I would prefer not to do that.

I've been playing my whole last game without oil, me or any other civ on the map. Basically, until the appearance of advanced armor there's no progress in fast land units - it's actually sort of interesting, in a frustrating kind of way

	20-12-2001 05:15									#153
	Hmm, any news on the new version? Tired of ads?

Just wondering, s'all. I am greatly anticipating this new version. Just wanted to know when it may be out.

	22-12-2001 05:44									#154
	Quick Update Tired of ads?

I'm actually still finishing up my christmas card (done within the hour), LOL. Think it's a bit late?


Time really flys I suppose, and I haven't had much chance to do alot of work on the mod. Can't say for certain when I can knock out an alpha early-release version, but I think it can _actually_ be by mid-week this time (now that the paying-work related junk is out of the way).

It won't have the government changes, some of the tech tree updates, only a few of the unit additions, and almost none of the improvement additions. However, most of the changes and alterations will probably be in. The Civilopedia entrys won't be properly updated either, but hey, that's why it's called alpha/early-release


This isn't firm, of course, because I don't want to spend extra time on an early "clearly not done" version when I could be spending it on finishing the full release version.

Also, the mod will be sepperated into two files, at least. One will be the big file, which is all the unit animations, and the other is just the little graphics files (like for the various icons), text files, and the .bic file itself.

Translation: Smaller files to download, and to update you just have to download a file that's less than 1MB (maybe even less than 500KB). Far more user-friendly, and easier for me too.


Just wanted to drop in an update, and I gotta get back to finishing up my work.

	05-01-2002 21:21									#155
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So, do you have an ETA on when v0.8 will be downloadable?

	06-01-2002 04:45									#156
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Aye, I'd also like to know what the ETA on the update is gonna be? I wait patiently for it, as I am certain many otehrs do as well.

	07-01-2002 11:16									#157
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Well it's certainly seems like a long time since I last gave an update, eh? Time to fix that!


Here's what's up. I haven't spent a lot of time between the holidays and now playing Civ III (I've been writing, reflecting, meditating, contemplating, working, etc), but I've been tweaking some things in LWC in the mean time. So it hasn't been constant work, but plenty has gotten done

While I'm not done and there's still more I want to do before I call it version 1.0 (which will be the next version ), such as I haven't implemented the government change and there's plenty more tweaking to be done, I think it will take too long to do it while in the meantime there is no playable version available.

Thus I am now in the process of wrapping everything up (such as adding pediaicon entrys so the tech tree doesn't look all screwy, putting little text things on the unit icons so you can tell them apart, etc), and I hope it shall be done _very_ soon! In the next few days, even!

This will be called LWC_ERP1, which stands for: Long Winded Changes, Early Release Preview 1. It's an amazingly small download compared to the other versions because of the improved way Gramphos' CopyTool now does unit .ini's (illiminating duplicate unit animation downloads).

As I finish up what I already know I want done (finish balancing the units out, change the government system) I will release "Release Candidates", such as LWC_RC1, LWC_RC2, et al, until a stable reasonably-bugless version is available. Then a full version will be released, incrementing the version number of the LWC mod.

Thus each version update will be far more reliably stable, and fully worth loosing your old saved games to update to the new version

This way people who want a stable version can just download the 'main' version, while people who don't mind running into a bug in exchange for "the newest thing" can help test out the changes to LWC.



I'll save the complete details till I post it, but here's a teaser of new additions:

Civilization Advances:

Saddle: Yes, it's a Saddle. No, not that kind of Saddle...although...

Anyway, it goes along with a changing of the power of the Horseman units in that I want them available later than they are now. You'll see...muahahaha!

No Stirrup advance needed for now.

Hullmaking: Sailing, sailing, over the bounding Coracle!

...doesn't have quite the right ring to it, does it? Anyhow, a post Map Making advance which allows the first real wars on the water.

Squirearchy: SCHULTZ! SCHUUUULTZ!

...oh, sorry, that's not available till way later. But this is available in the early Middle Ages after Chivarly.

Volunteerism: "Wait a second...you mean, you want me to volunteer to join the Army? Hahaha, hahaha, HAHAHAHA!

...alright."

Advanced Naval Warfare: "Ah, it's just a nice day for a cruise, isn't it honey?

...honey?!"


Buildings:

Coastal Gun Placements: Now take the place of Coastal Fortress.

Coastal Fortress: Modernized version of Coastal Gun Placements (more powerful, doesn't need Saltpeter, more expensive).

Mill: The first "Power Plant", available in the Middle Ages.

Guild Hall: Reduces corruption in the Middle Ages, requires Courthouse be in the city to be built.

FBI Office: Police Station for the Modern Age, requires a Police Station be in the city to be built.

Sewer Sytem: Pollution reducing improvement, available thanks to the wonderful invention that is Sanitation. Can't hurt happiness, either.

City Dump: When oceans and rivers just aren't enough, why not dig a great big hole in the ground and put your toxic waste there? Pollution reducing improvement which isn't a boon for happiness.

National Constitution: Ok, it's not the most logical fit to become available with Scientific Method, but are you really going to complain about having a 2nd Forbidden Palace (more or less)?

Computerized Oversight: Kind of hard to fudge a few mathematical statements in a proposal when you have a supercomputer capable of 250,000,000,000 computations a second evaluating every aspect of it, ya know? The science abusing charalatons won't be happy to be exposed for being the lying bastards that they are, but it'll put a grin on just about everyone else's face, and you can't complain about a 3rd Forbidden Palace in the modern age (more or less).

AI Governing Prototype: "I'm sorry, I can't do that Dave." Gives ya the heebejeebeez, doesn't it? But a 4th Forbidden Palace available at the end of the game isn't all that bad. Besides, this thing is just a small prototype...but, of what?


Units (Name: type, age available):

Land Units

Barbarian: Basic Barbarian unit (rather than Warrior, stronger).
Raider: Advanced Barbarian unit (rather than Horseman, as strong as changed Horseman).
Pioneer: Expansionist only Settler, early-middle Ancient Age (Map Making).
Mounted Scout: Not-as-good Scout for non-expansionists, early Ancient Age.
Man At Arms: Offensive footsoldier, early Middle Age.
Musket Infantry: Offensive footsoldier, late Middle.
Shock Troops (requires population): Offensive footsoldier, early-middle Industrial.
Machine Gunner: Offensive footsoldier, late Industrial.
Modern Infantry: Defensive footsoldier, early Modern.
Assault Troops: Offensive footsoldier, middle Modern.
Special Ops Team: Offensive footsoldier, late Modern.

Naval Units

Coracle: Transport, available from begining.
Warship: Power/Bombard, middle-late Ancient.
Corporate Privateer: Power/Bombard (no national markings), earlyish Industrial.
Steel Warship: Power/Bombard, middle Industrial.
Modern Transport: Transport, early Modern.
Modern Destroyer: Power/Bombard, early Modern.
Nuclear Battleship: Power/Bombard, middle Modern.
Nuclear Carrier: Air Transport, middle Modern.
Diesel Submarine: Power, middle Modern.
Nuclear Attack Sub: Power, middle Modern.

Air Units

Transport Plane: Transport, end of Industrial.
Modern Bomber: Bombard, middle Modern.


And currently over 100 entrys to the changes file, with each entry being a change for a certain entry in the editor. For instance changing the cost, available time, maintananence, and effect of a Wonder counts as 1 change; changing the amount of resources given by forests and the shields required to get 1 gold through wealth count as 2.

Tweaks during the development are not counted, so all 100 have a current effect in the game.



All things subject to change, no guarantee I didn't make an error here, yadda yadda yadda.


Still need to finish balancing of the late-modern naval units, then I can wrap it all up and post it. Hope to have it done by Wednesday, but regardless it should be done before the end of the week, barring only something happening in real life that stops me from doing so.



Enjoy the enticipation, and try not to slobber too much

	07-01-2002 13:13									#158
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heya,

The update sounds great,

Quick ? though, does a second forbidden palace (or anything doing the decrease corruption flag) do anything in game terms?

I know with the second 'grainery' (halves teh food flag) it doesn't do anything when applied to a second building, I was just wondering about the corruption angle. Thanks in advance.

	07-01-2002 13:43									#159
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MicMc:

Yup, it sure does.

The way I'm told that it works is that within 15 tiles of the Forbidden Palace (or any small wonder with the "reduces corruption" small wonder effect turned on) citys have their corruption/waste reduced as if it was a Palace. It has a much reduced, if any, effect on citys farther away than that, so ya gotta be careful where you put them so you don't waste their effect.

Wasn't aware that other things with Granary have no effect, which is rather sad


Not sure what cost I'm going to give them to build, or maintain, though. Hmm...

	08-01-2002 03:29									#160
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Excellent, simply excellent. Should you require someone to test the mod, I am more than willing to try. As for what you have put down so far, well, most impressive, truly most impressive. I am glad that this has not died, as truly, of all the mods I have used, find the LWC to be perhaps one of the best ones. Huzzah, I say! Huzzah!

	09-01-2002 12:30									#161
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Former download location.

Version ERP1 removed after 98 downloads.
Version ERP2 removed after 182 downloads.
Version ERP3 removed after 530 downloads.
Version ERP4 removed after 365 downloads.

Last edited by Plutarck on 03-02-2002 at 06:59

	09-01-2002 19:45									#162
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Note: I've changed the unit animation add-on pack (and edited the first post) to include new animations for the Special Ops Team, created by MazterJo.

Since not many people have downloaded it I figured I'd just repack it together. Not that big a download

	09-01-2002 20:08									#163
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Hmmmm,
I dont know if I am doing something wrong, but when I try to download it it saves a file named attachment to my computer - not the filename you specified. It also is not a .zip file.....

	09-01-2002 21:31									#164
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Yeah, I've got the same dl prob as Gutz-- a 260kb file called "690465," and it's no .zip.

	10-01-2002 01:23									#165
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For several days, I've been having a similar prob when trying to download something from the forums, it just tries to download it as a file, with no extension called "attachment" but what I soon found out you could do was just rename the file, and add the .zip extension and everything ends up peachy

	10-01-2002 01:25									#166
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That works! Thanks JamesJKirk!

	10-01-2002 11:37									#167
	New Version Available! (everyone should/must upgrade!) Increase the size of your Attachments

Many, many thanks to daithos and Igbe for reporting the crashes and sending me a saved game, because they've allowed me to fix all known crash bugs (including the modern-era crash that's plagued LWC for quite ahwhile, even version 0.6 - 0.8!)

The website is updated, as well as the first post, and the download, so here's the short form:

-NEW VERSION (at almost exactly midnight!): LWC ERP2. Fixes all known crash bugs, adds a new unit, tweaks land unit costs, increases bombardment unit strengths (including some aircraft), changes a few tech costs, and some other changes too.

All users should (and frankly, must) upgrade to this new version. Don't worry, you won't loose your saved games! The crash bugs will be fixed, but the new units and unit changes will _not_ be present, so you'll have to start a New Game to get the changes.

Note: This copies over the current add-on packs, so reinstall those after upgrading. There is also no need to uninstall/reinstall Civ3


So no reason not to upgrade


And a request:

-REQUEST: EMAIL ME YOUR LWC SAVED GAMES! Zip 'em up, tell me what version of the LWC mod it is, and make them an attachment to an email to aemuli@yahoo.com

This goes for ALL versions, well into the future until I tell people to stop doing it!

Throughout the course of the game, if you wouldn't mind, save the games at the begining, middle, and end of each age. Exclude only the early and middle ancient age, as I have no need for those. I most desire saves from the late Middle Ages on, and personally prefer those from the difficulty levels of Regent or Monarch. However, I want the other ones too

This may also turn into a unique feature of the LWC mod later on, because when I get a good solid version of the LWC that everyone can play for multiple days/weeks I will request people send in some saves, which I can play around with and turn into a special kind of Scenario!

I'm not sure exactly why, but playing a game someone else has already started is really quite enjoyable, and I find I can learn alot from it (and I'm sure others can too). I have many, many, many ideas for this, but for now I want the saves strictly for testing. Most of the LWC changes take effect towards the end of the middle ages, and I don't want to have to play all the way from the begining just to get there and decide something should be tweaked :P

Oh, and you don't have to be a really good player either, or even have been playing Civ3 that long! Behind or ahead, good or bad strategies, it doesn't matter to me!



Enjoy!

	10-01-2002 23:29									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Plutarck Note: This copies over the current add-on packs, so reinstall those after upgrading.

Say what? Which add-onms does it copy over and why would we want to re-install them?

Explain plz. I guess I'm dense.

	11-01-2002 04:34									#169
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A question about the web site. I am trying to get there, but am getting sent to the one that says Dec 7, 2001 thing at the top(or whenever it was that you notified us you would be rejinking the mod). Tried using your link, and I ahd it bookmarked, but I am getting the same place, not the new site, but the old one. Any idea what I can do to get to the new site? Thanks

	11-01-2002 06:34									#170
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I'm getting a duplicatable crash bug @ 530BC on the latest version...ugh.

Also, Plu, you had earlier raised the unhappyness limit by about 1 population for each difficulty level, but on this one you're back to the original specs. Is that on purpose?

	11-01-2002 08:31									#171
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Honour_Shogun:

Here's the website, so try this: http://207.191.20.18/civ3/index.html

If that doesn't come up properly press Refresh on your browser. Then if that doesn't work, if you're using IE go to Tools -> Internet Options and delete offline files (clear the cache), then try it again. Can't imagine why it wouldn't work...

Let me know if that doesn't work.



Elowan:

Check the website, and you'll see 2 add-on packs available. One is a unit animation add-on pack (containing changed animation for Modern Destroyer, and Special Ops Team), and the other is just a version of the non-resource labeled resource.pcx



Blackadar1:

If you have a .sav right before the crash, send it to me and tell me what causes the crash (happens when you end your turn, I assume?).

I can figure out what causes it and fix it usually very quickly if I have a saved game of it.

But one question: Do you have version 1.16f patch of Civ3? If not, you're going to need it. I forgot to mention it because I assumed everyone has upgraded anyway, but LWC does require that patch be installed.

Oh, and about that changed happyness thing: Someone did that in another mod (can't remembe which at the moment). I haven't ever changed those settings in the LWC Mod, in any version.

	11-01-2002 09:37									#172
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By the way, just wanted to let everyone know: In ERP2 the Caravel no longer sinks in the ocean! Trade over the ocean doesn't open up until navigation/magnetism, though.

So it goes like this:

Travel around the coasts with Coracle from Pottery until Hullmaking.
Trade over coast tiles with Map Making until Astronomy.
Travel the seas and coasts with Galley and Warship until Astronomy.
Travel the oceans with Caravel.
Trade over the oceans with Navigation or Magnetism.

	11-01-2002 10:09									#173
	pre-ERP3 quick bug fix Remove this text

Trebuchet unit errors fixed in ERP3, no need for this post now...

Last edited by Plutarck on 14-01-2002 at 20:23

	11-01-2002 14:38									#174
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Hey Plutarck, nice work on the mod. If you need any help typing up some of the history for the units and wonders in the civliopedia when the final version of LWC is released just let me know. Something that really annoys me about civ 3 is that when you ally with another nation agaist a country, you can still only see land where your units and cities are. In reality, when countries are fighting a common enemy they share battle plans and troop positions with each other to help win the war. I was hopping that somehow you could make it that when you enter a military alliance with a country, you could see on the map what his units and cities see. Just until the agreement has ended, at that point it would go back to the dark shroud. I think it sucks, having to fight a war and not knowing if your ally is winning or losing battle, or even advancing his troops as he promsied to do. Some people might say that this can be fixed by using the reveal map cheat program.. but i dont want to see the enemies territory, just my allies. Does anyone else feel the same way?

	11-01-2002 22:27									#175
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quote: Originally posted by Blackadar1 I'm getting a duplicatable crash bug @ 530BC on the latest version...ugh. Also, Plu, you had earlier raised the unhappyness limit by about 1 population for each difficulty level, but on this one you're back to the original specs. Is that on purpose?

I am also crashin out around 100-50BC, sent a save to Plutarc and also posted @civfanatics site removed civ and re loaded w/o the unit icon art mod to no avail!

	12-01-2002 06:58									#176
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Thanks Plutarck. I can get to the updated site now. Must admit, the new mod has got me playing Civ like crazy again. I should thank you(although others in my family may decry your name )

	12-01-2002 14:41									#177
	ERP3 available! Remove this text

From the changelog:

-NEW VERSION: LWC ERP3. This version fixes bugs (like a missing unit folder, among others), adds some customized cilvilopedia graphics, contains many updates of the civilopedia (as well as fixes some errors it contained originally), and tweaks quite a many different settings and unit stats.

All users should upgrade to this new version, because you won't loose your saved games! In short, there's no reason not to upgrade. And remember: Send in those saved games!



Pushing the file size now, lol, but it still just fits

	12-01-2002 15:39									#178
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Plutark,

I wanted to bring up s'thing I've just read in your Changes.txt

quote: Worker Jobs: -Plant Forest: Takes 22 turns instead of 18 (makes Clear/Plant/Repeat harder).

It was my belief that the 1.16 patch removed the ability to clear/plant/repeat as it was being abused by micro manage fanatics

Am I incorrect in this point?

Regards,

Sith

	13-01-2002 19:32									#179
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i find the mod excellent and have started playing with it.

as i find the ranks in the original game (and as far as i have found out, in your mod they are the same) are too few for my taste. so i ended up and hacked in several new ranks (based on us army).

i dedided to try the following list and managed to bind it into the bic format. (each line in the list is composed of the number of hitpoints followed by the name - the name consists of a letter within parentheses so that one could more easily find out how one rank compares to another);

2 (A) Private
2 (B) Private First Class
3 (C) Corporal
5 (D) Sergeant
5 (E) Staff Sergeant
7 (F) Sergeant First Class
7 (G) Master
9 (H) Sergeant Major
11 (I) Second Lieutenant
11 (K) First Lieutenant
12 (L) Captain
14 (M) Major
16 (N) Lieutnant Colonel
16 (O) Colonel
17 (P) Brigadier General
18 (Q) Major General
20 (R) Lieutenant General
20 (S) General


so i started playing your mod pack with modified ranks. at first, i found out that it works wondergully, except for some console messages having to do with promoting units in scripts.txt or so which i fixed as well.

the only problem that i am facing with now is that the game dont seem to use more ranks than the original maximum number of ranks was . that way, your units won't be promoted to a higher level/rank as soon as they are elite equivalent (here it would be Sergeant).

is it just that one has to fight real tough units to get a promotion at such a high level or is the limit hard coded?

can anybody think of some solution?

	14-01-2002 00:20									#180
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Cyber: Using your scale at what point do Leaders have a chance of being generated or is the chance increased at each level beyond the equivalent of Elite?

Personally I find the number of ranks about right as you don't want to be waiting forever for a 20!! HP per unit to fight.

Sith