22-11-2001 04:44									#31
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon (My apologies to any decent Americans I offended - we should be standing together, but you're always gonna get some moron like wiglaf watching the Redneck News Network )

And you also are going to get some moron like redjon watching the British Bullcrap Communist Network.

	22-11-2001 04:47									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo And you also are going to get some moron like redjon watching the British Bullcrap Communist Network.

Don't push me.

	22-11-2001 06:19									#33
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quote: My apologies to any decent Americans I offended - we should be standing together, but you're always gonna get some moron like wiglaf watching the Redneck News Network

it's YOUR little commie island country that isn't standing together with America. Canada, Italy, the UK, and Austraila should all be attacked and hit or otherwise seriously warned (economically screwed) for their essential defiance of the United States despite promising the world and President Bush otherwise. Where are those mighty fleets of yours? Where did Austrailia's cute tin can desert rovers go?

you can hide behind that little Redneck crap just as much as you duck under the "we're just peacekeepers" slogan forever until the end of terrorism. I don't care.

"action, not words."

	22-11-2001 06:36									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf it's YOUR little commie island country that isn't standing together with America. Canada, Italy, the UK, and Austraila should all be attacked and hit or otherwise seriously warned (economically screwed) for their essential defiance of the United States despite promising the world and President Bush otherwise. Where are those mighty fleets of yours? Where did Austrailia's cute tin can desert rovers go?

As far as I am aware, UK has an aircraft carrier in the region as well as some submarines. It has launched cruise missile strikes against the Taleban and Al-Queda and now it is providing air tankers to refuel American planes above Afganistan. Incidently, American pilots said that the British tanker pilots were much more willing to deviate from their flight plans and go into danger to refill the fighters than their American counterparts. Furthermore, the UK had special op troops (the SAS) operating in Afganistan since the war had begun. Currently it has 100 paratroopers in Afganistan too and 6000 more are on standby if they are needed. You can hardly claim they have been inactive. Sure the US could do it without the British, but they did offer what they had.

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they launched cruise missile strikes? I must've missed it. Oh, wait. The ones on DAY ONE OF THE NOW MONTH AND A HALF LONG OPERATION? Right, it's all PR. They had to do something to avoid looking like selfish snobs, but evidently I'm the only one here who hasn't been fooled by that trickery. It dates back hundreds of years, actually.

as for the bravery, that's nice. what's your source?

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By the way, after observing and reviewing the definition provded by the Webster's Dictionary, you're a communist in every sense of the word.

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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf By the way, after observing and reviewing the definition provded by the Webster's Dictionary, you're a communist in every sense of the word.

This is the first time I have heard this!! Che, can I now join the party?


I am not a Communist! Rather, I advocate free market policies and values such as deregulation, lowering taxes and respect for private property.

I would love to see how you established my "socialist credentials"!

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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf they launched cruise missile strikes? I must've missed it. Oh, wait. The ones on DAY ONE OF THE NOW MONTH AND A HALF LONG OPERATION? Right, it's all PR. They had to do something to avoid looking like selfish snobs, but evidently I'm the only one here who hasn't been fooled by that trickery. It dates back hundreds of years, actually. as for the bravery, that's nice. what's your source?

PR or not, the British did launch the cruise missiles and they did put forces on the ground in Afganistan.

The sources are too numerous. I have been following the war on the CNN and the BBC for too long now to remember on what day I have seen what and on what channel.

	22-11-2001 07:18									#39
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quote: I am not a Communist! Rather, I advocate free market policies and values such as deregulation, lowering taxes and respect for private property.

Ah, a stealth communist. There must be a scratch on the armor somewhere. Maybe that's why only american planes are over Afghanistan?

quote: have been following the war on the CNN and the BBC for too long now to remember on what day I have seen what and on what channel.

CNN? Jesse Jackson might as well live in that liberal swamp. Fox News is superior in every way. Stick to good American, unbiased news, even if you have to import a TV and a connection or something. you obviously have enough money.

quote: PR or not, the British did launch the cruise missiles

Great, they did nothing and whatever the news displayed was STILL nowhere near what was promised. blair took the middle ground, his country should be invaded.

quote: The sources are too numerous

so are you commies.

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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Ah, a stealth communist. There must be a scratch on the armor somewhere. Maybe that's why only american planes are over Afghanistan?

What does this have to do with Communism?

Anyway, I support the American military action over Afganistan, but I think they should stay to rebuild too.

quote: CNN? Jesse Jackson might as well live in that liberal swamp. Fox News is superior in every way. Stick to good American, unbiased news, even if you have to import a TV and a connection or something. you obviously have enough money.

No, I don't have enough money for that. I read BBC and CNN on the web.

quote: Great, they did nothing and whatever the news displayed was STILL nowhere near what was promised. blair took the middle ground, his country should be invaded.

What exactly has been promised then? I don't remember any broken promises on the part of Britain. They are backing the US 100% just as they should be and have helped both militarily and especially diplomatically.

quote: so are you commies.

I am really getting the kicks out of this! I have never even dreamed of being called a Communist!

I think people who have seen my other posts should testify for my 'socialist credentials.'

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Wiglaf, you will not get anywhere by insulting you opponents, particularly by calling Roman something so hard to back up with proof as a communist. Instead, maybe you should examine his argument. In essence, he is agreeing with you. He agrees that America did almost all of the work in Afghanistan other than the NA. He just disagrees with your more unfounded belief that Britain promised anything more than military support, which it is providing, even if it's military is not doing any of the fighting.

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Thanks Admiral, you concisely captured the essence of what I am trying to express.

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this thread sucks

just remember not every american is like wiglaf. just most of them

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"Fox News is superior in every way. Stick to good American, unbiased news, even if you have to import a TV and a connection or something. you obviously have enough money."

Bruawhahwahwahhhaahahaa!!!
Made my day. Thanks. LOL....

Tell me people, what percentage of the US population would you estimate to be braindead wiglaf-style ? I hope it's not more than 5 % ?

	22-11-2001 15:07									#45
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Wiglaf, you are SUCH a cretin!

Who is in charge of this operation? The US. Who has the option for using the assets provided by other nations? The US. Who has chosen not to use them? The US.

The stuff is there, but the US has chosen to deal with the bombing side of things by themselves...note that word "chosen".

On the ground side of things, obviously the bulk is the NA, but there are also SAS as well as US special forces in about equal numbers...who have been there since the beginning. Just because we don't film it to keep the news networks happy doesn't mean they aren't there.

	22-11-2001 15:13									#46
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Don't worry about wiglaf, he thinks Bill Gates is communist (and I'm not kidding).

His suggestion that the UK, Canada, etc should be bombed is an extremely sick one.

	22-11-2001 15:21									#47
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"Don't worry about wiglaf, he thinks Bill Gates is communist"

Bollocks. Satan has no ideology.

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He does too.
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	22-11-2001 15:55									#49
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Oh come on guys! He is obviously trolling - no-one can be that stupid. (Fox news...heh heh.)

The UK have certainly been pulling their weight, with both air strikes and troops on the ground.

I remember watching CNN during the Kosovo peacekeeping operation, and they were talking about what the US troops were doing on the ground, but continualy showing pictures of British troops. Or, did anyone see that discovery channel (I think) docu on the US submarine fleet. They only showed inside one sub - showing how it functions and interviewing the crew etc - but it was a British sub! Probably ****ers like Wiglaf wouldn't notice things like that!

And to the other Americans here - don't worry - we realize this this idiot doesn't represent your views...

And for the record, I think Bush and his team, and the US military, have done a very good job of this whole business.

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"no-one can be that stupid"

So I thought, until I saw foxnews. Or, more precisely: until I realised foxnews is not supposed to compete in the same segment as Saturday night life.

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*kicks wiglaf in the balls*

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* puts out sign: "bunker for rent" *

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A few strange comments by Wiglaf:

quote: (about norhtern alliance)...breaking into Kabul despite being told not to?

Who said not to go to Kabul? The US? For christ sake, its their own country! How would you react if some other country says to you, that you are not allowed to go to WDC?

quote: they launched cruise missile strikes... as for the bravery, that's nice

Well, who is brave in this war? Are missile attacks, precision bombing and massive airstrikes a show of bravery?

quote: you're a communist in every sense of the word.

Yes I am. What's wrong about being a communist? Is it any worse than being a capitalist?

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--"Is it any worse than being a capitalist?"

Yes, much worse.

	22-11-2001 20:04									#55
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After reading this thread, I would have to say that I agree that wiglaf is indeed a "weener".

- mindseye

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Aww come on, I went to see a Rammstein gig last nite, I can kick ass

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Yes yes Wiglaf has said it well, I'll add that the USA are the big boys and do the hardwork, Eurocoms can do the peace pansy "peacekeeing" work, where they sit around and drink beer and watch Albanians dance around. US troops don't need to waste their time, we get it done. the major leftist centers in Europe deserve to be hit so they'll be "convinced" to join us. Roland don't know Fox News since he doesn't even get it, he only hears what La REvolution Commie Newspaper tells him. Try watching it. Oh you're an Austrian you can't. Dub Wiglaf 3rd Conservative.

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"*kicks wiglaf in the balls*"
"Wiglaf, you are SUCH a cretin!"
"just remember not every american is like wiglaf. just most of them "
"Tell me people, what percentage of the US population would you estimate to be braindead wiglaf-style ? I hope it's not more than 5 % ?"
"After reading this thread, I would have to say that I agree that wiglaf is indeed a "weener"."



You're like the Federation and I'm not far from the immortal Borg. You constantly try to break me, but you end up looking much more foolish than you were in the first place before the doomed attempt. If, after reading the definition of a communist, I call you one, how is that not civilized and rational? Surely it might not be very intelligent by your childish standards, but all the above garbage is much less mature.

::sigh::

I personally think all you people are fighting with yourselves because you simply cannot argue on my level. Attempting to make me change my opinion is time better spent reading the Constitution, The Apolyton FAQ, and transcripts of dozens of Presidential speeches. The best you can do is disagree intelligently, and you have failed even at that. Also, very many of you do not see the line between humor and valid point. Check that out sometime, before posting, although that may or may not apply here.

To answer some points: Yes, Harry Potter is as bad as Pokemon, Solar cars will never work, and Microsoft is indeed commie like Bill Gates' "glasses". If you want to attack me for those opinions, the least you could do would be to explain why before you make irrational claims and statements, like, oh:

"Well, who is brave in this war? Are missile attacks, precision bombing and massive airstrikes a show of bravery? "



Now, if you signed up for the military, I'm sure you'd think differently. It takes a lot more intelligence and training to fly a fighter jet than to "peacekeep" your way out of the whole mess. And, btw, you took my quote out of context anyway. figures...

Again, take a chill pill and don't explode before I can start to fire back. Defeats the purpose, and like the Klingons to Kirk, you've taken away a torpedo from my arsenal when, according to the databanks, I never shot one.

edit: it's the other way around. The databanks say I shot one but my arsenal is full. sorry.

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Roman: Both blocks should do both.

Why should we not leave the roles to those best equiped to handle them? The two roles (war fighting & peacekeeping) require differing force structures in order to be effectively carried out and the US currently lacks the structure to effectively carry out a peacekeeping mission. Furthermore, imagine the reaction among the Muslim world to a US occuping force in the region.

Wiglaf: You're like the Federation and I'm not far from the immortal Borg.

The comparison doesn't work. The Borg sometimes make sense.

	23-11-2001 08:27									#60
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Episode? Series?

Probably Voyager.