23-11-2001 08:35									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Episode? Series? Probably Voyager.

No. It would be The Next Generation. I think that you would be closer to the Klingons than the Borg.

	23-11-2001 08:58									#62
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Since when did the borg make sense in TNG?

	23-11-2001 09:06									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Since when did the borg make sense in TNG?

More sense than in Voyager.

Your brains must not fill an eggcup if you can't see that.

Besides, what's a (alledged) red-blooded American like you claiming yer like "The Borg"? Those people are even more communistic than the Federation!

Dinodoc

Wig is closer to NG's Pakleds than any major group.

Simple speach, simpler train of thought....yep.

	23-11-2001 09:08									#64
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	23-11-2001 09:20									#65
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quote: Originally posted by GP 1. If other countries don't want to help they don't have to. 2. Several countries have offered to help. why shouldn't we take them up? 3. Several posters on this board...err...well KittyHorse from other countries have said that their countries should/would help in peacekeeping.

No problem, but at least let us laugh about it. The US has a not-undeserved reputation in the undeveloped nations for being more reticent than average in actually seeing its soldiers dying. I've discussed this with quite a few third-worlders. Oh, and we'll need those fancy planes you boys are so fond of, cuz peacekeeping a landlocked country without air support would be pretty dumb.

Wiglaf, the "clean" job is the fighting. The "dirty" job is the peacekeeping. It goes on for years at a time, and opens your soldiers up to situations where there might not be a "right" answer, where they have to let themselves get shot at, etc. How many casualties has the US taken? A dozen or so?

	23-11-2001 09:46									#66
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Kitty, have a blast. It's all cool.

We are much more reluctant to take casualites than our foes in the 3rd world that is correct. So are most western armies. I would say that the difference between Somali attitude on casualites and Western attitude is much bigger than differences between Canada and the US. Do you really think Canadians are much less attuned to casualites than we are? I think you also know that the effectiveness of the peacekeepers is often determined by how well they are backed. And in this case, we have often been the force that was either defacto or actually labeled as the backing force. Ref: Bosnia.

You should read Blackhawk Down. It's a very well researched account of the mission in Somalia where we lost 18 soldiers. What shines out from that is how well the troops on the ground did in an incredible cluster**** of a situation. (They actually needed bayonets at one point...and didn't have them.) They got trapped in the city in different patches, had two helos down and ended up killing 500+ Somalis with the whole city after them. It could have easily been a complete wipeout but discipline in an extreme situation won out. As they completed the mission succesfuly (the snatch) and were extracted by ground. Read it. It's even written by a liberal.

FYI: We've lost soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines in several areas of the world in the last few years. It doesn't always hit your TV screen when it's 1 guy in an embassy evacuation in Central African Republic of Bum****. But there's usually some mintor press note.

	23-11-2001 09:56									#67
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I'm not saying individual americans don't have to cajones to fight and possibly die in place, and I'm not saying that any Western country would endure the sort of bloodshed so prevalent "everywhere else", but ask people what they think of (for instance) the US military and the British military. The prevalent opinion is that the Brits are willing to do things Yanks aren't, even though the Yanks can do things the Brits can't.

And stop pushing Blackhawk Down.

	23-11-2001 10:03									#68
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Bets on the SAS getting moron 578 first...?

Blair helped put a coalition together and keep world governments on-board despite in MANY arab countries there being VAST support for moron 578...

Blair is the PR side of the operation because outside of the USA Bush is considered a bit dim considering his position as HEAD of a country.

Saying "god bless america" seems to be enough to be a US president...

	23-11-2001 10:19									#69
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I'm not saying individual americans don't have to cajones to fight and possibly die in place, and I'm not saying that any Western country would endure the sort of bloodshed so prevalent "everywhere else", but ask people what they think of (for instance) the US military and the British military. The prevalent opinion is that the Brits are willing to do things Yanks aren't, even though the Yanks can do things the Brits can't. And stop pushing Blackhawk Down.

I've heard that comment about the Brits and the French. I think they still go in and kick ass in some of their former colonies every now and then. I really haven't heard that to be the case of other countries. You should realize that we (US) often have people in danger in remote areas of the world and it does not always hit the news screen.

	23-11-2001 10:21									#70
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Oh and KH, go read the Orion report too. You can wait a little with BlackHawk down. I've done OK in giving you good reading material...

	23-11-2001 10:57									#71
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quote: Originally posted by kittenOFchaos Bets on the SAS getting moron 578 first...? Blair helped put a coalition together and keep world governments on-board despite in MANY arab countries there being VAST support for moron 578... Blair is the PR side of the operation because outside of the USA Bush is considered a bit dim considering his position as HEAD of a country. Saying "god bless america" seems to be enough to be a US president...

Your just so witty.

	23-11-2001 13:32									#72
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Bobby:
"Roland don't know Fox News since he doesn't even get it, he only hears what La REvolution Commie Newspaper tells him. Try watching it. Oh you're an Austrian you can't."

If that only were so. But the evil empire II (Murdoch) managed to put it on Astra after Sept-11, so I can watch it now. It's even a bit addictive in its crappiness...

	23-11-2001 17:38									#73
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Just like to throw this out here:


IIRC, The President of Pakistan wants Muslim countries to compose the PeaceKeeping force, not Western Forces.

(of course, "Muslim" Peacekeepers were the ones who got in trouble Somalia, but I digress)

Also note; Dispite what the Eurocoms think, we have a rather strong presence in Haiti right now, so it isn't like we've totally stepped out of peacekeeping.

	23-11-2001 23:46									#74
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I'm very grateful for the third page in this thread. It gave me a chance to calm down and decide I couldn't be bothered to say anything at all to Wiglaf. Except: Bugger off to Newsmax and go lick right-wing **** over there.

	24-11-2001 00:32									#75
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great way to argue, man. but I can do it much better, seeing as you just exploded without a trace of a coherent response before your second post in this thread.

	24-11-2001 20:25									#76
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The Irish Government were considering volunteering Irish troops for peacekeeping service in Afghanistan. It's a fairly oppurtune time, since we're just after withdrawing our 1,600 peacekeeping troops from the Lebanon after a presence of 23 years. We now have no really large involvement in peacekeeping left now, so putting Irish troops forward for Afghanistan seems the best way to save the Army from stagnation (unless the European Rapid Reaction Force ever gets off the ground).

Still, I think the U.S. have an obligation to get involved in peacekeeping in Afghanistan as well, but they shouldn't be solely responsible for it.

	24-11-2001 20:46									#77
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quote: Originally posted by our_man so putting Irish troops forward for Afghanistan seems the best way to save the Army from stagnation (unless the European Rapid Reaction Force ever gets off the ground).

I was under the impression that Ireland wasn't going to ba a part of any unified European Army after it had rejected the Treaty of Nice.

	24-11-2001 20:57									#78
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Ah yes, the Treaty of Nice. The rejection of that really put a spanner in the works for poor old Bertie and his diabolical schemes. He won't be foiled so easily though, we're meant to be having another referendum soon on the same question, and will continue to have referendum's on this until the government gets the answer it wants (yes). It's probably only a matter of time before we're all being conscripted into a general European army...

	24-11-2001 22:25									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf great way to argue, man. but I can do it much better, seeing as you just exploded without a trace of a coherent response before your second post in this thread.

1) I wasn't arguing. I'm not going to bother trying to hammer anything into your stick skull.
2) I did not explode. Notice the lack of anger smilies. That was a cold-blooded get-the-****-out message
3) Coherent responces had no effect on you before, why should I cast my pearls before the swine that is you?
4) There will be no third post here.

	24-11-2001 22:56									#80
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quote: Originally posted by our_man and will continue to have referendum's on this until the government gets the answer it wants (yes)

Isn't it illegal to hold more than one referendum on the same issue in the same mandate?

	24-11-2001 23:16									#81
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Hmph. Europe offered to help; they offered to send troops- the US didn' need them- Europe should help in the rebuilding- making them do the bulk of it- about 60% sounds about right, any more and it isn't reallyl fair, but then again, they offered to help- why should they be pissed off...

ANYWAYS IN PEACEKEEPING EFFORTS; USUALLY THE SIDE THAT STARTED THE WAR IS NOT A PEACEKEEPER!!

THUS THE US SHOULDNT REALLY HAVE ANY PEACEKEEPERS IN AFGHANISTAN!

	25-11-2001 00:44									#82
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pssst! We didn't start the war. The dumbass al Queda and Talban did

Although we are sure as hell finishing it.

	25-11-2001 02:05									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf By the way, after observing and reviewing the definition provded by the Webster's Dictionary, you're a communist in every sense of the word.

Could you please type out this definition for me? I dont have the Webster's Dictionary. Thanks.

	25-11-2001 02:46									#84
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a) you're a liberal
b) you're not american
c) you disagree with me
d) you are a spy

That right there immediatly makes you a forever communist in the eyes of any loyal conservative. If you want the definition for the narrow minded, here it is:

Main Entry: comámuánist
Pronunciation: 'kŠm-y&-nist
Function: noun
Date: 1840
1 : an adherent or advocate of communism
3 a : capitalized : a member of a Communist party or movement b : often capitalized : an adherent or advocate of a Communist government, party, or movement
4 : often capitalized : one held to engage in left-wing, subversive, or revolutionary activities

Either way, you lose. Somehow I think you could've looked in the EuroDictionary, but I guess the regime over in Slovakia prevented that course of action. That's not to say Webster's is perfect: actually, they themselves are a communist network in my eyes. Stick with definition A.

	25-11-2001 05:03									#85
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US' foreign policies

A. US gets attacked
B. US strikes back
C. US brings a country to the brink of anarchy
D. US leaves it to Europe to clean the mess up

Of course European forces didn't do much fighting. That's cause it wasn't Brussels that was attacked. Eventhough some politicians want in, it really isn't our war. We'd love to help out in various things, but it's certainly not fair leaving it up to the European allies to clean up the mess the US (part-)created without them (the US) doing any peacekeeping themselves.

Not fair, but highly predictable. No wonder Bush' popularity in Europe is so low.

	25-11-2001 05:28									#86
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quote: it's YOUR little commie island country that isn't standing together with America. Canada, Italy, the UK, and Austraila should all be attacked and hit or otherwise seriously warned (economically screwed) for their essential defiance of the United States despite promising the world and President Bush otherwise.

How I wish they'd try Though not even Bush is that stupid, but you certainly are.

I can see the headlines already. "US bans trade with all countries who didn't help enough in Afghanistan"

Two days later: "US economy collapsed, world rejoices"

quote: unless the European Rapid Reaction Force ever gets off the ground

Next month the ERRF will be formally declared operational. I'm really looking forward to that. The ERRF won't be put in action before Jan 2003 though.

	25-11-2001 05:37									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Mark L US' foreign policies A. US gets attacked B. US strikes back C. US brings a country to the brink of anarchy D. US leaves it to Europe to clean the mess up Of course European forces didn't do much fighting. That's cause it wasn't Brussels that was attacked. Eventhough some politicians want in, it really isn't our war. We'd love to help out in various things, but it's certainly not fair leaving it up to the European allies to clean up the mess the US (part-)created without them (the US) doing any peacekeeping themselves. Not fair, but highly predictable. No wonder Bush' popularity in Europe is so low.

But according to the alliance- they shoud have offered their help, and they did The US didn't want their war help or need it- however the US needs their humanitarian help and since it would be bad for the US to help afghanistan as peacekeepers, considering they threw the country into turmoil- Europe should do it for them.

About "C." Afghanistan was pretty messed up before the war, anyway..

	25-11-2001 06:25									#88
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mark commie liberal :

quote: How I wish they'd try Though not even Bush is that stupid, but you certainly are. I can see the headlines already. "US bans trade with all countries who didn't help enough in Afghanistan" Two days later: "US economy collapsed, world rejoices"

the economy goes thru rough times, gotta take the ups with the downs and americans are prepared to do that if the cost is freedom. they did it in the revv war when the big us of a blew the hell out of britain and back then people didn't care about mohnay. in this case we could always revert to stone age politics or in the chaos conservatives could destroy the liberal party, anything's possible. this whole 'starve europe of money' thing is looking pretty hot all of a sudden, tons of benefits and the only consequence is we'd lose the round the clock speeches from tony blair but i can do without his commie rambles of peace when at the same time he condones letting us do all the hard work of dropping bombs and all that. when was the last time I ate an imported croissant, anyway? didn't think so, this trade stuff is overrated.

no more american money for europe

	25-11-2001 06:55									#89
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our_man: I'm with KittyHorse. How can the Irish government hold another referendum on the same exact question?

	25-11-2001 08:51									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Mark L US' foreign policies A. US gets attacked B. US strikes back C. US brings a country to the brink of anarchy D. US leaves it to Europe to clean the mess up Of course European forces didn't do much fighting. That's cause it wasn't Brussels that was attacked. Eventhough some politicians want in, it really isn't our war. We'd love to help out in various things, but it's certainly not fair leaving it up to the European allies to clean up the mess the US (part-)created without them (the US) doing any peacekeeping themselves. Not fair, but highly predictable. No wonder Bush' popularity in Europe is so low.

I guess our Peacekeeping duties in the dead-bottem western Hemisphere counry doesn't count, eh Mark?


Also, last I checked, the only people who still wants to "Clean up" Iraq qas American and The UK.

So think before you post, you ****er! ( I mean that in Jest. )

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